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This week's article for improvement (week 1, 2024)

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Fish slice

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Administrators' newsletter – January 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2023).

Administrator changes

Clovermoss

Dennis Brown

CheckUser changes

Maxim

Oversighter changes

Maxim

Arbitration

Following the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Aoidh, Cabayi, Firefly, HJ Mitchell, Maxim, Sdrqaz, ToBeFree, Z1720.
Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee rescinded the restrictions on the page name move discussions for the two Ireland pages that were enacted in June 2009.
The arbitration case Industrial agriculture has been closed.

Miscellaneous

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Happy New Year, GiantSnowman!

Happy New Year!

GiantSnowman,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Abishe (talk) 15:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Abishe (talk) 15:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks, same to you! Giant Snowman 15:16, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Take a look

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Steaua_Bucure%C8%99ti#

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadionul_Steaua_(2021)

Discussion and unexplained format reverts happened in these cases, just if might be able to clear things. Even few seasons have linked non-existing club:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1191506236 93.138.220.238 (talk) 22:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:AIV against vandalism / WP:RFPP for page protection / WP:ANI if the community needs to take a deeper look. Giant Snowman 18:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Pedro Muñoz (Chilean footballer)

Happy New Years and hope you had a great holiday break!

Also, any chance you can merge Pedro Muñoz (Chilean footballer) into Pedro Emiliano Muñoz, with the title "Pedro Muñoz (Chilean footballer)". They are duplicate pages that have been around for years now. Cheers!--Ortizesp (talk) 03:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

No, their histories are parallel. You just need to redirect one to the other. Giant Snowman 18:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Date format changes

Hi, I'm confused by your recent edit to William Bronston which changed the date format in the references only. Consistency is only required in the body of the article and I don't believe it's helpful to change the date format for the references away from YYYY-MM-DD without any real reason. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 19:14, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Which dates remain unchanged in the body? I cannot see anything. The script should change everything. Giant Snowman 19:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

That's my confusion. As far as I'm aware, there's no requirement or need for the date format in the references to be aligned with that in the body. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 19:19, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

It's standard per MOS:DATEFORMAT, certainly a lot more easily readable than YYYY-MM-DD. Giant Snowman 19:25, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I do not see that anywhere in the text there, in fact it states that the YYYY-MM-DD date format is perfectly acceptable in the references section. Is there a specific quote or section you could point me towards that says otherwise? Otherwise this undiscussed change only serves to be disruptive. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 19:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Under the 'Formats' section, it details the YYYY-MM-DD format as to be used "Only in limited situations where brevity is helpful", and states "By default, Wikipedia does not abbreviate dates. Use a consistent citation style within any one article." Only very, very limited articles use YYYY-MM-DD, why should this? Accusations of disruption are entirely bad faith and unfounded. Giant Snowman 21:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

To be very clear, I'm not accusing you of being disruptive, I'm describing the undiscussed change as disruptive. The section specifically states that situations where brevity is helpful include tables, infoboxes, [and] references so that's a moot point. No part of the guidelines discourages the use of YYYY-MM-DD dates in the reference section and I disagree with your assertion that YYYY-MM-DD is somehow more difficult to read.

In addition, WP:CITEVAR states that Where Wikipedia does not mandate a specific [date] style, editors should not attempt to convert Wikipedia to their own preferred style, nor should they edit articles for the sole purpose of converting them to their preferred style, or removing examples of, or references to, styles which they dislike. and that ...it is normal practice to defer to the style used by the first major contributor or adopted by the consensus of editors already working on the page, unless a change in consensus has been achieved. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 22:22, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

You have not answered my question about why this is needed. Giant Snowman 11:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

ARCA resolved by motion

Hi GiantSnowman,

The ARCA you filed has been resolved by motion as follows:

Remedy 1.2 of the GiantSnowman case ("GiantSnowman admonished and placed under review") is amended to read as follows:

1.2) GiantSnowman is admonished for overuse of the rollback and blocking functions, and reminded to "lead by example" and "strive to model appropriate standards of courtesy"; to "respond promptly and civilly to queries about their Wikipedia-related conduct and administrative actions and to justify them when needed"; to not use admin tools in "cases in which they have been involved" including "conflicts with an editor" and "disputes on topics"; to "treat newcomers with kindness and patience"; and to apply these principles in all interactions with all editors.
With the exception of obvious vandalism or obvious violations of the policy on biographies of living persons:

GiantSnowman is prohibited from reverting another editor's contribution without providing an explanation in the edit summary. Default edit summaries provided by MediaWiki or user scripts are not sufficient for the purpose of this restriction. For the avoidance of doubt, use of MediaWiki rollback with an edit summary via a user script such as this one, or via massRollback.js, is permitted.

GiantSnowman is prohibited from blocking an editor who has not been recently warned for the conduct in question. For the purposes of this restriction, "recently" is assumed to be within 7 days.

Violations may be reported by any editor to the Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard. GiantSnowman may appeal these restrictions directly to the Arbitration Committee at any time.

For the Arbitration Committee, firefly ( t · c ) 19:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Giant Snowman 19:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Youth career

Hello GiantSnowman. On Ethan Mbappé-- I won't change your revert, because it's true that Ethan Mbappé hasn't yet played a match for the youth team in 2024. But when he does, his youth career must be reopened. I understand you may disagree, but for me, the youth career continues until he has played his final youth game. That's how it should be. Just like we don't close the "reserve" career before a player plays his final reserve game. A player can be both a youth player and senior player at the same time, just like a player can be both a reserve and senior player at the same time. Hell, a player could be all three at the same time.
So for now, it's fine. But when (most likely) he goes back to starting and playing with the U19s, I will go back and open his youth career. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Your way is too confusing. When do you make the cut off? Giant Snowman 21:48, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

When the player no longer plays for the youth team and only plays for the senior/reserve team. In cases where you can't find sources about the player's youth career, I understand why you should cut off at the senior debut, but for such a prominent club like PSG, I can find literally every line-up for the under-19s and under-17s if I look hard enough. Also, in France, youth football is only up to age 19, and the cut off-date is the year of birth+19 years. For example, Ethan Mbappé will no longer be able to play youth football at the start of the 2025–26 season, because 2006+19=2025. So that usually also helps for cutting off certain players that make their senior debut at age 18-19 in their final season of youth football eligibility.
I understand why cutting it off at the senior debut date might be easier, but if we're looking for accuracy, we shouldn't just close the youth career when the player is still playing youth football. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Examples: Xavi Simons - he played in the UEFA Youth League for PSG in February 2022, but made his senior debut in February 2021. Kays Ruiz-Atil - he went back to play for the under-19s after having played six months on the senior team. I usually leave invisible comments so people know why the youth career and senior career overlap. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

But players play with youth teams into their 30s - usually for fitness or discipline reasons! Giant Snowman 18:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, training and being a part of a team is different, right? Players older than the age limit cannot play youth football in France, at least. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Overage players can play in certain competitions, not just train. What about if he doesn't play for the youth team for 2 years? Giant Snowman 21:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I guess it would be country-by-country, then. I can only speak for France, and in France, youth football is age-restricted. We also don't have under-23 leagues. I'm not sure about what you mean by the 2 year thing. Paul Vaurie (talk) 02:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

If he doesn't play for the youth team again until 2026, are you going to have an infobox like (for example):

{{Infobox football biography

|youthyears1 = 2017–2023

|youthclubs1 = Paris Saint-Germain

|youthyears2 = 2026–

|youthclubs2 = Paris Saint-Germain

|years1 = 2023–2026

|clubs1 = Paris Saint-Germain

|caps1 = 15

|goals1 = 0

}} Giant Snowman 18:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Giantsnowman, you've just demonstrated not only your lack of ability to listen, but also your lack of knowledge about French football. Ethan Mbappé will not be allowed to play with youth teams after 30 June 2025. Per WP:CIR I kindly advise you to understand your own abilities and competencies, and avoid editing in this area. Frenchl (talk) 10:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 2, 2024)

An antacid is a substance which neutralizes stomach acidity and is used to relieve heartburn, indigestion or an upset stomach.

Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is:

Antacid

Please be bold and help improve it!

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Henri Dirickx

If two surnames are used for one person in the references, it is good to mention such fact. Xx236 (talk) 10:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying - we usually say 'also spelt XXX' or similar. Giant Snowman 18:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Adamawa United F.C. players

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Issue with editor

SniperLight47 is now inexplicably reverting edits I have made to my own User Page. This is becoming an issue. Anwegmann (talk) 21:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Blocked for 72 hours. Giant Snowman 18:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your help. Anwegmann (talk) 19:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 3, 2024)

Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Shovel Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Antacid • Fish slice Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot ^talk 00:05, 15 January 2024 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

SniperLight47 sockpuppeting

Just a heads up, User:SniperLight47 is now sockpuppeting as User:SniperLight46. Anwegmann (talk) 00:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I can't block socks - please can you report at WP:SPI? Giant Snowman 19:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

User:AdityaSty90

And do keep in mind the insults they have been directing towards others in their talkpage! The one in Indonesian reads roughly "Thanks for the suggestions and guidelines, i hope they are useful and that i am able to edit according to policies and specific instructions", but the one directed to you on 10 January (in "English") is dead serious.

Attentively --RevampedEditor (talk) 16:51, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Giant Snowman 19:15, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Pages to be moved

Hello (after some time) :). I was not so active here in the last period, but now I'm back and I want to clear up some things. I saw that you expressed your opinion on my proposal to move Mostiștea Ulmu page. I proposed other pages also to be moved and I'll appreciate if you will express your opinion about them, as well. These are the pages:

Stadionul Parc (Breaza)
AS Hușana Huși
AS Cimentul Fieni
Stadionul Cimentul
CSA Aurul Brad

Thnak you! Rhinen talk 09:58, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Will do! Giant Snowman 09:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I have two more, I hope that these will be the last for a while

CS Avântul Valea Mărului

ACS Recaș Rhinen (talk) 13:06, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

OK, great. Giant Snowman 13:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of List of association football players who died during their careers

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Joseph Ochaya

Can you restore my edit? It was good - I put in the third goal to statistics and you took it out.Wolfgang (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to re-add it yourself, but do not change the overall stats as your edit was incorrect. Giant Snowman 19:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Graeme Shinnie

Hi mate, the game he played on 19th was a cup game so corrected your edit. ParkingTheBus (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Lovely, thank you, sorry! Giant Snowman 19:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Esteban Solari

Content (about his fellow compatriot/manager) removed again, now this nuisance has created an account to continue vandalising!

Attentively, have a nice (next) week RevampedEditor (talk) 18:01, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Revert, warn, report at WP:AIV, as usual. Giant Snowman 18:08, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Created on 26August 2021 in fact[1] in case you have not yet looked at the contributions page. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:29, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 4, 2024)

Visualization of one newton of force

Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is:

Newton (unit)

Please be bold and help improve it!

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Jasin Assehnoun

Hey, I was wondering about the edit you reverted in Jasin Assehnoun article. He is half Finnish and half Moroccan, considered to be Finnish and Moroccan 50/50 "equally", so why those categories don't apply? Syvä-äksy (talk) 19:02, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Just because he is a footballer who holds Moroccan citizenship (through descent) does not mean that he is a 'Moroccan footballer'. Giant Snowman 19:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Paul Onuachu

Hi. I’ve no intention of reverting you (I have far too much respect for your experience) but can you explain why you consider that Soccerway is a better source than Soccerbase. I find Soccerway very difficult to interpret, with far too many (unexplained) symbols. I’d be interested in your explanation. Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Soccerbase is only really useful, in my experience, for English & Scottish league players - although I agree Soccerway is overly complicated! Giant Snowman 19:09, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok - that’s fine Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 19:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Vulgar vandalism

Already logged off and now am going to bed, but before i do so this: I see you have already warned this "user" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:UltramanZeroAwokkkk#February_2023), have a look at what they did at Natxo Insa; following a (supposedly) bad performance for Malaysia, this "person" went on a rampage of despicable insults towards the player.

Vandalism was so much and of so much "quality" the patrollers forgot to fix vandalism in the subject's full name, i took care of that even though i know i'll be accused of vandalism in edit summary notes in spite of doing the exact opposite :(

Attentively, enjoy the rest of your evening 2001:8A0:765C:E100:EC25:510:13AD:99E8 (talk) 23:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

I have given them a final warning. Giant Snowman 19:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Amos Nondi

@GiantSnowman:, You protected Amos Nondi from page creation 7 years ago but his career has progressed a lot since then and I created Draft:Amos Nondi (2), woudl you be able to unprotect Amos Nondi from creation and/or move my draft to mainspace? Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 09:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Done - in future, please do not create 'rival' drafts to existing drafts, instead edit and improve the existing draft. Giant Snowman 17:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

What you left on my talk page,

@GiantSnowman, as per Wikipedia:Do not bite the newcomers, to avoid being a "biter" to newcomers, rather than deleting in the form of reverting an incorrect edit from someone inexperienced, you should attempt to rectify any errors. In my opinion you didn't follow this guideline when you reverted my edit on Connor Parsons and then rather bluntly threatened me with a ban on my talk page and I don't feel this is fair. I understand you're infinitely more experienced on matters such as these so correct me (nicely this time..?) if I have made any errors in my reasoning but due to my edits being mostly spelling corrections on low-traction pages, I am - to any significant contributions on the site - a newcomer and thus should likely be treated as described on the guideline previously linked. Please get back to me on this :)

SPAG checker (talk) 22:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

You have been left numerous messages about your conduct, which has continued with the same issues arising, and so the warning messages have escalated per WP:WARN. Giant Snowman 23:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

So WP:WARN is clearly specified to override Wikipedia:Do not bite the newcomers? Plus, out of context it sounds bad and yet these are trivial errors by a newcomer and thus I'd personally appreciate I wasn't threatened with retrospective punishment as you did. Your reply has hardly been satisfactory considering you haven't addressed why you ignored the guideline I linked? If you explained another one of Wikipedia's mounds of obscure guidelines in that such and such rule does not apply in such and such situation, I accept that but as far as I can see you still haven't followed WP:Do not bite the newcomers. I respect you as an admin but I still don't think this is fair and I do feel a little warded off by all of this which is what the guideline I linked was specifically meant to reduce the occurence of... Oh, and you still haven't clarified why you reverted the edit rather than correcting it, another possible non-abidence of WP:Do not bite the newcomers...

SPAG checker (talk) 23:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

(by talk reader) I'm disappointed that you've taken this approach, SPAG. The messages left on your user talk pages are boilerplate agreed by the editing community in our user warning templates. If those boilerplate messages angered you then I'm afraid you won't make it here on Wikipedia. Wikipedia encounters a lot of ne'er-do-wells and our user warning templates are one-size-fits-all so they have to address the bad faith vandals just the same as the shrinking violet crybullies. I think had you approached with humility you would take those messages onboard, rather than foolishly try to reproach GiantSnowman, who is far kinder than I am. So you see, sticking to boilerplate is meant to protect you, the new user, from personally written messages like this. With that appreciation please see that your bad behavior triggers warnings and if you don't want warnings (or worse) just stop making problematic edits. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:02, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

To be fair, the warnings were because of forgetting to add a source (and separated by several months), it wasn't really a behavior issue that began this. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 00:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Chaotic Enby: Yes, I didn't bother looking at the edits in question as it seems laughable a new editor thinks an admin should just clean up the mess left behind rather than revert and issue a warning. What drew my attention was the attempted tone policing on this talk page (SPAG accusing GiantSnowman of biting newcomers). Chris Troutman (talk) 00:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Again, there might be a misunderstanding going on. It doesn't look like the user was asking the admin to clean up any mess, but just questioning why a level-3 escalating warning was given despite only one warning having been given months before. The issue is not really that an admin reverted and warned, but that the warning chosen was unnecessarily threatening. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 00:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we misunderstand. SPAG added content without a source and got a level 2 warning. 65 days later it was the same problem and got a level 3 warning. I don't agree that GiantSnowman unreasonably escalated the situation or was unkind. If this was an IP we could argue this wasn't necessarily the same editor. This is a registered user, it was the same problem of not adding a citation, and it was a boilerplate warning. And this un-accomplished Wikipedian with less than three hundred edits complains that they've been bitten? Ludricrous. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd say calling someone "unaccomplished" and bringing up edit count isn't the best way to go at it, especially since WP:BITE is specifically about how to behave with newer editors. It's "don't bite the newbies", not "don't bite the accomplished Wikipedians". ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 01:17, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I spend far too much of my time cleaning ups after 'newbies' (their account is over 2 years old, they have over 200 edits) who cannot comply with the basic requirements of editing. Giant Snowman 12:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand how it can get pretty tiring in the long run. Good luck! ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 12:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can see, forgetting to add a source is a trivial matter. It is not "bad behaviour", honestly it's outrageous you would even suggest that, and it is not necessarily a "problematic edit", especially given these are two warnings - from the same moderator - from trivial isolated incidents months apart, and *especially* given I am considered in most regards a newcomer as you yourself admitted. You, just like GiantSnowman himself, haven't addressed him not following the guidelines of WP:Do not bite the newcomers in that he reverted my edit rather than correcting it, and in terms of non-"boilerplate" responses, doubling down on his impoliteness towards me. Maybe I'm far from perfect in my handling of this situation but I feel you have been even less so.

SPAG checker (talk) 00:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

No, it's not trivial, editors are regularly and routinely blocked for it. WP:RS and WP:V and WP:BLP all apply as you have already been told. Giant Snowman 12:52, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 5, 2024)

Mahatma Gandhi with a young Indira Ghandi, during his fast in 1924

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Hunger strike

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Proposed deletion of Charles Wood (footballer)

The article Charles Wood (footballer) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There is already a disambig for Charles Wood, there seem to be no pages linking to "Charles Wood (footballer)", and the page to which this currently directs - Charlie Wood (footballer) - seems to be for someone to whom literally nobody ever refers as Charles Wood, so there is no risk of wrongful searching. If this is not a disambig category I do not see why there needs to be a redirect to a footballer who has never played in the top 120 clubs in England, especially as other Charles Woods are far more prominent.

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Am proposing a deletion of Charles Wood (footballer) - it seems to be a redirect of no use, and redirects to the less prominent Charles Wood (footballer).

In Vitrio (talk) 20:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

OK - duly put it in Nominating Charles Wood (footballer) . Not done one of those before! In Vitrio (talk) 20:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

You do know that the target of the redirect was changed before your nomination, and therefore our nomination is incorrect, misleading, and pointless? Giant Snowman 22:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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NFOOTY

Hey there. I am here just for clearing a doubt. Why did we redirect NFOOTY to WP:SPORTCRIT? Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 13:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

See WP:NSPORTS2022. Giant Snowman 18:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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Sockpuppetry

Please see this (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carlos_Fortes_(footballer,_born_1994)&diff=prev&oldid=1202798598). Transfer added without a source, i reverted citing precisely that reason, was immediately reverted, AGAIN with no source! I profit from the occasion to comment that i see you have already warned this user.

Speaking of "user", due to their main interest (Indonesian football, following a quick glance at the history of contributions) i'm almost 100% sure this is a sock of User:Dwinug.

P.S. I have already reverted again in Mr. Fortes, would not be the least surprised if the other person had done the same to me. Attentively RevampedEditor (talk) 16:25, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Please use WP:SPI. Giant Snowman 16:26, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Done! Don't know if i did it in the right place, this was why i came to you; sorry to bother you, apparently! Regarding the player's transfer, it seems to be correct, i grew tired of the other nuisance and sourced the page myself. --RevampedEditor (talk) 16:42, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

You need to create a subpage, see the section/box headed 'How to open an investigation'. Giant Snowman 16:59, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing GiantSnowman a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 08:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Regarding your reversion of my insertion of bad grammar at WP:BLP

That's fine. I know the subjunctive mood is archaic, pretentious and terrible.

My bad edit can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons&diff=prev&oldid=1203307604 123957a (talk) 17:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Your change to the grammar makes no sense. Giant Snowman 17:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Or, should I say more accurately, less sense than the stable version. Giant Snowman 17:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I thought it meant the same thing... whatever. I will NEVER edit policy pages again if that's what is required from me to be a good editor! 123957a (talk) 17:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

We're not saying that. People are encouraged to WP:BEBOLD and make changes that might need changing - the issue was your the restoration, which was the disruptive element, not the original edit! Giant Snowman 17:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I know not to edit war... I was just trying to accomplish something big and get attention. 123957a (talk) 17:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

By that, I mean making a big improvement, not edit warring! 123957a (talk) 17:40, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

but a minor change to grammar is not a "big improvement". Giant Snowman 18:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman If you must gain consensus on the talk page before any edit goes through, they should just full-protect the page instead of semi-protecting it, to reduce disruption and save editors' time. 123957a (talk) 18:22, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Again, that is not what I said. Respectfully, the more you post here, the more I have concerns about your competence and understanding. Giant Snowman 18:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: User:Valjean told me I need to get consensus on the talk page first. 123957a (talk) 18:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

No, I didn't say that. You are really wasting our time. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:04, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I am not Valjean. Giant Snowman 18:34, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: I know you and Valjean were saying the same thing: both condemned my behavior because it was out of line with WP:BRD. 123957a (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

And now we're condemning your behaviour because you are being disruptive and potentially trolling, referring to your 'bad edit' and repeatedly saying that it is " archaic, pretentious and terrible". Stop posting here and find something else to do. Giant Snowman 21:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman,

Valjean called it 'bad grammar' and I've heard people criticize the subjunctive as outdated/archaic.

I don't care whether it's used or not, and I'll stop wasting everyone's time on this. Let's move on. 123957a (talk) 21:55, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I made a mistake in my above comment. I actually meant to say "GiantSnowman told me I need to get consensus on the talk page first.", see this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons&diff=prev&oldid=1203324223 123957a (talk) 14:17, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

That is not what I said. I said you should get consensus given your initial edit was reverted. Giant Snowman 19:15, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 6, 2024)

Various pâtés

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Script changing dates in citations

Hello, GinatSnowman. I noticed you were using a script to standardize dates in the Month day, Year format, which is great. However, you have left your script with the option turned on to also do that within citations. May I suggest turning it off? MOS:NUM subentry MOS:DATE specifically calls out citations as having different rules. That references WP:CITESTYLE, which specifically allows the other formats, but recommends consistency within an article.

The article where I noticed your efforts already was already consistent in date citations, using YYYY-MM-DD style, which is also the style that the automatic citation maker uses. The latter is probably going to make that format de facto standard over time, and using the script to make the changes is likely to lead to inconsistencies (as other edtors add automated citations). In any event, please consider turning off the citation change option in the script, and continuing to use it in article text. Dovid (talk) 20:39, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

It is not my script, and in any event I see no benefit to having the references in a different format to the rest of the article. Giant Snowman 21:26, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Barry John

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Precious anniversary

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Grateful, thank you! Giant Snowman 09:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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Uncooked rigatoni

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This week's article for improvement (week 9, 2024)

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Economy of South America

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Editaversary

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Thank you! Giant Snowman 19:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

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Nomination of John Murphy (1900s footballer) for deletion

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Community service

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Religious music

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Jimmy Husband

Hi. Not sure why you have removed info on Jimmy Husband sourced and ref'd from the obit on the Everton FC website - reason wasn't given in your edit summary. Could you clarify for me? Ta. 09:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC) Cripesohblimey (talk) 09:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Because the level of detail is not needed, and some content is unsourced. Giant Snowman 20:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I would contend that being part of a team that finishes second in Division Two is worth noting. It is in the obituary - perhaps I didn't specifically add a cite tag at the end of the sentence. Cripesohblimey (talk) 10:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to re-add if properly sourced. Giant Snowman 09:16, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Stafford County F.C.

Hello, I noticed you had a query about The Combination and notability, in particular with FA Cup entries, and it was pointed out Stafford County never entered; I've done a short page about them (they don't really need any more, frankly) and it seems to have been a deliberate decision NOT to enter the competition, being a sort of Stoke-based Corinthian. Although curiously they joined The Combination, seemingly apropos of nothing. Maybe they couldn't get fixtures any other way. But it does support the clubs in that particular emanation of The Combination as being "notable" as every other club had a tilt at the Cup. In Vitrio (talk) 23:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks! Giant Snowman 20:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Chiedozie Ogbene

I didn't mess with the infobox aside from updating it in visual editor mode. I didn't touch the spacing and I don't know why it does that. I guess infobox shouldn't be updated in visual editor mode.

Froglife94 (talk) 01:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

That revert was inappropriate. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I was restoring established formatting. Giant Snowman 20:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

You reverted a constructive change because you didn't like whitespace changes which were caused by Wikipedia's visual editor and obviously weren't intentionally made. That's disruptive and WP:POINTy. Robby.is.on (talk) 00:16, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

No, it wasn't - the pure revert was so Froglife got a notification (it worked!) and then I immediately restored the constructive element. Giant Snowman 08:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Ariel Ngueukam

Please update his article to his new team since it’s been officially announced that he transferred team.

Source: https://www.unitedcityfootballclub.com/news/ 120.28.249.38 (talk) 01:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Done Giant Snowman 09:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

"Clinistrip" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Oscar Dorley

My edit was not vandalism. Yesterday Liberia played a match and Dorley scored a goal. Why didn't you check this before you deleted my edit? Refrain from judging others too easily. Wolfgang (talk) 17:41, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

As per my edit summary - I checked a source, and even if a recent game/goal was missing, your edit was wrong. Giant Snowman 18:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Officiousness is worse than fascism. Wolfgang (talk) 21:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Are you calling me a fascist?! WP:NPA. Giant Snowman 13:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

General apology for moving forward

Hello GiantSnowman. We've interacted with each other on Wikipedia for quite some time now, almost four years. Just wanted to say that I still really respect your work here, and additionally, sorry for my aggressive language on Talk:Ethan Mbappé, I should have been more respectful at times. I just felt really strongly about my opinion on this issue. Moving forward hopefully we can collaborate more and work together more succesfully! Apologies once again, Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

No apology needed (from either party) - yes we both have strong views but it's been a productive discussion and I certainly have no ill feelings or similar! Looking forward to working together again in the future. Giant Snowman 08:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Check before undo

Please double check before you make an incorrect edit like you did on Theo Vassell. You tagged it as poor grammar when the grammar was fine and your edit was actually the poor grammar. User:Jordca97. 16:34, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

"Two edits in playoffs" is not good grammar. Giant Snowman 16:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 13, 2024)

File:Bucaram foto.png

Abdalá Bucaram

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Abdalá Bucaram

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FIFA Arab Cup naming

I just thought about it, can you explain why are main title of La Liga or Ligue 1 articles not presented with their partner, EA Sports and Uber Eats while this applies for Arab Cup and FIFA ? Wokemanwhowalks (talk) 01:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

We do not use sponsored names. Giant Snowman 08:24, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

FIFA is also a sponsor since it is a foreign entity to the UAFA. Wokemanwhowalks (talk) 13:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

No, it is not. Giant Snowman 13:36, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Are not FIFA and UAFA independant of each other ? Wokemanwhowalks (talk) 13:40, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

No, claiming that FIFA'a involvement makes them a 'sponsor'. If that is the limit of your argument, then no wonder consensus is against you. Giant Snowman 13:40, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Consensus is against me because Hashim-afc has 15000 edits. To my mind that's defined as a sponsor because FIFA is not a creator of this competition and it's not affiliated to founders. Wokemanwhowalks (talk) 13:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

That is not the reason why consensus is against you. Giant Snowman 14:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

There is no other reason, on all editions there is one partnership with FIFA, this is not relevant to rename Arab Cup to FIFA Arab Cup. It's like renaming Ligue 1 to Ligue 1 Uber Eats. Wokemanwhowalks (talk) 15:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

No, it's not the same at all, as I and others at the article talk page have explained. Giant Snowman 15:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, was 1963 Arab Cup (first édition of FIFA Arab Cup) in partnership with FIFA ? Do you see the nonsense ? Wokemanwhowalks (talk) 15:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

We use the current name of the competition for the main article, and the contemporary name for individual tournament articles. This has already been explained to you (using the AFCON example) - why don't you understand that? Giant Snowman 15:24, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

The comparison is irrelevant because the competition and the association which organizes it, have been affiliated with FIFA therefore recognized de facto since the beginning. Wokemanwhowalks (talk) 15:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Please ask yourself why nobody agrees with you. This conversation is over, thanks. Giant Snowman 15:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Billy Kellock (footballer, born 1954)

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Gabin in The Little Rebels (1955)

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Jean Gabin

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Death of Martin Herbster

Does this prove the death of Martin Herbster (sorry it's in German) : https://bnn.de/karlsruhe/karlsruher-norden/graben-neudorf/herausragende-persoenlichkeit-graben-neudorf-trauert-um-seinen-ringer-helden-martin-herbster Badische Neue Nachrichten are usually a reliable source.

Another link: https://nbrv.de/index.php?view=article&id=129:martin-herbster-ist-verstorben&catid=10:news I see this a less reliable source though. Bdschi (talk) 16:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bdschi: BNN is absolutely fine. Most of the article is paywalled and I cannot access it – does it mention the exact date of death? The article is from 8 March and in your change which GiantSnowman reverted you gave 2 March as the date of death. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 17:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Robby - BNN is fine to verify that he has died, the issue is that you did not include it in your edit (along with a number of other articles about people you claim recently died). Giant Snowman 18:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bdschi: I saw you updated the article using the BNN article. I checked the article, it does not mention a specific date, only states "Nun ist Herbster nach schwerer Krankheit im Alter von 62 Jahren verstorben" ("Herbster has now passed away after a serious illness at the age of 62"), so I've removed the exact date for now. Robby.is.on (talk) 19:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Imre Kiss

Hi.

Thank you for clarification. On a web I have found this and this. I found that on French Wiki about him under Liens externes. Laslovarga (talk) 00:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Fbref might be OK - FootballDatabase is not considered reliable as it is user-generated. Giant Snowman 09:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hmm

Hey GS, do these edits look familiar to you? I'm a bit suspicious of their newness, so to speak, but I'm also interested in moving Draft:Suriname Major League 2024 out of draft space--it's a pretty big thing for a small country. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I moved it and added one source--you're the expert, and I hope you can help bring it into shape! Drmies (talk) 15:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Doesn't immediately ring any bells I'm afraid - will look at the article now. Giant Snowman 10:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

An observation

Hi GS. I realise that non-constructive editing can be really frustrating for veteran editors. But in my experience, for achieving the desired result – better editing – educating other editors is more effective than shaming them ([2], [3]). Robby.is.on (talk) 18:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I just found [4]. That's good! Robby.is.on (talk) 18:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

And this and this and this etc. Giant Snowman 19:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You!

		The Special Barnstar
		Thank you so much for reverting the harmful edits! Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 21:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy to help! Giant Snowman 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Andersen

I know it's really annoying when people say "you missed a bit" when you are cleaning up, but I think perhaps you did. (This assumes I have understood what is going on here,which I so often do not ...) Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Now sorted by Daniel Case, so no worries. Sorry to bother you. Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

No worries - and if I do miss a bit, I don't mind people letting me know at all! Giant Snowman 09:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Good to know. Cheers DBaK (talk) 11:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 16, 2024)

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Ryan Flynn (footballer)

Hi mate, please can you help me out? I'm struggling to get the stats table to align for Ryan Flynn. The St Mirren total is over one column and I cannot get it right for some reason. Thanks IJA (talk) 10:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Done Giant Snowman 17:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

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Who is your football team?

You know, I don't think I even know who you support! I was curious, who do you support? Govvy (talk) 11:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Bradford City! Giant Snowman 11:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

You seem to having a good run of form end of the season. Do you go to most of the games then? Govvy (talk) 13:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I have a season ticket and go to most (home) games when I can! Giant Snowman 14:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 17, 2024)

Full rack of fifteen balls, ready for the break shot

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Pool (cue sports)

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Viktor Gyökeres

Hi, I was checking the page history of Viktor Gyökeres just now and seen this edit. I then checked User talk:2A0B:6204:1B05:CD00:222D:9ACD:90C1:7923 and seen you've twinkled a warning, which I am confident that has gone to the wrong page. Not entirely sure if the anonymous person who reverted a previous edit back to the original version has noticed this. But at least the article is always what it should be. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I think you're right, thanks for the heads up! Giant Snowman 17:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

hi

Hey @GiantSnowman I'm Omar, a journalist. I have a question, for you. Would you mind creating a page, for this individual? They've been featured in newspapers and news sources. Thank you much! You can review details by checking out this link and My sandbox Omarjournalist (talk) 12:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not clicking that link, and your sandbox subject appears non-notable. I suggest you use WP:AFC. Giant Snowman 12:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @GiantSnowman i cant add more sources you can see the news about this person via google

he has more 20 sources in many languages Omarjournalist (talk) 13:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

It's a person called 'Ali' - such a common name! Giant Snowman 13:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

if you click to the link above you can see the full name with sources Omarjournalist (talk) 13:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I am not clicking your link. I do not trust it (or you). Giant Snowman 13:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

ok i have an idea check this article please https://www.aa.com.tr/en/culture/young-syrian-promotes-turkish-tv-series-stronger-ties-with-arab-world/1998300 from Anadolu Agency after this In labor of love you can see the full name of this person and you can search on google with his name + last name Al Suleiman Omarjournalist (talk) 13:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I have already suggested that you please use WP:AFC. Please do not post here any further. Giant Snowman 13:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes just can do favor for me i have problems i cant create this article can you create the draft for me in the name and i will add sources please and send this to review with many thanks Omarjournalist (talk) 13:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Please stop emailing me, please stop posting here, and please stop posting on other people's talk pages as you have done at the talk pages of @Silver seren and Tom Radulovich:. If you want to create an article, then use WP:AFC, the instructions there are clear. Giant Snowman 13:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot sorry Omarjournalist (talk) 13:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Blocked sock. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I definitely thought something not 100% right! Giant Snowman 13:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Mike de Geer for deletion

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ZeroZero

Hi GS. Do you happen to know a previous discussion of ZeroZero that would indicate some sort of consensus, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, WP:RS/N or elsewhere? I'd like to add it to WP:WPFLINKSNO. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

The best I can easily find is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 157#reliable sources... Giant Snowman 17:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) I see @S.A. Julio: has done a great job at WP:WPFLINKSNO. Robby.is.on (talk) 12:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, fully agreed! Giant Snowman 17:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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A crewed submersible used for underwater exploration

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Papyriform columns in the Luxor Temple

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Ancient Egyptian architecture

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Nomination of Ryan Simpson for deletion

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Released players

Hi, just as a further to your earlier edit, I am aware that professional football contracts finish on 30th June. However, these are not professional contracts, as Wealdstone are only a semi-professional club. The official statement put out by the club states that these players have been released, as opposed to saying "leaving at the end of contract" or similar: https://www.wealdstone-fc.com/post/retained-list-2024

I think that with this statement, it is fair to assume that the players have left the club, rather than that they are imminently leaving. As such, I have re-edited Corie Andrews to reflect this. Please let me know if there are any issues surrounding this Wld85 (talk) 15:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

That is fine, but you need to make that clear in your edit summary to avoid further confusion. Giant Snowman 16:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll make sure to do this in future Wld85 (talk) 17:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:College soccer players

Hello, GiantSnowman (or can I call you "Snow"?),

Category redirects are created differently than article redirects. Most editors aren't aware of this because they have no reason to ever create one. But since you did, I thought I'd just point out the difference you can see in the code/template used when you look at the code on the page.

I hope you are having an awesome weekend. See you in the AFD trenches. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder! Giant Snowman 17:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 20, 2024)

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Logan Levkoff

Ive been watching old episodes of Married at First Sight and came here to read up about the couples and doctors. I was suprised to see the Logan Levkoff doesn't have her own article here. I researched her and prepared the content and references for it. I started the process to make it when I saw that many tried and failed at creating Logan Levkoff between 2007-2013. 11 years later, I believe she more than satisfies WP:GNG and I'd like to make the page. You protected the page in February 2013 from being created which is why I'm here. I kindly request that you unprotect it so I can have a crack at making it. Thank you. MaskedSinger (talk) 15:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I suggest you make it in draft space, given that it was repeatedly deleted as non-notable. Giant Snowman 17:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

ok cool. thank you! MaskedSinger (talk) 19:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

This is done Draft:Logan Levkoff. Please take a look. Would love to know your thoughts. I didn't add categories or do the inbox. Wanted to first see if this passes muster. MaskedSinger (talk) 11:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not convinced to be honest, but feels free to submit via WP:AFC for a neutral review? Giant Snowman 17:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Why wouldn't you be neutral? This was basically from scratch. I have no idea how it commpares to what what but given the refernces, I can't imagine notability is an issue. In any event, how does one go from a draft to WP:AFC? MaskedSinger (talk) 19:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Because I deleted and SALTed a previous version. See WP:AFCREVIEW as to how to have your draft reviewed. Giant Snowman 20:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I did that. As for the salting, I don't think that disqualifies you here. I imagine there are many cases here when articles were created and deleted because it was too soon and then they went on to become household names. Not that she's one, but 11 years later is a lot of water under the bridge. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Georgetown Ibayani FC players

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Ádám Szalai

Youth honours (something that is deemed irrelevant no, at least in clubs?) continue to be added to this player's page, and now also something called "Debrecen İmprovement Organization"Award" (what the hell?!). BOTH continue to be added without a source, and i feel (given the GLARING similarity in editorial style) that both accounts shown in edit summaries (Alxannnn and Elnurrrrr) are the same person. See this "charmer" in Simon Kjær for instance (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simon_Kj%C3%A6r&diff=prev&oldid=1224259601)...

I had to revert them manually, would very much like to have the rollback feature back, but it's just not happening. Attentively, enjoy your break! RevampedEditor (talk) 11:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The lack of sourcing is significantly more concerning than the 'merit' of the award. Some youth awards can be notable and therefore worth including in player articles. Giant Snowman 15:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Aaron Nemane

Hello Could you please update Aaron Nemane from Notts county as his stats are out of date?

many thanks 86.6.177.2 (talk) 14:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Done Giant Snowman 15:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Runner-up in a league with a final match (like MLS)

Hello GS. Just wondering -- what's your opinion on including honours of being runner-up in a league competition that has a final match? Examples include MLS Cup, Division 1 Féminine and Championnat National U19. I'm asking because I'm debating whether including honours like the one in Ethan Mbappé#Honours is relevant or not. Thanks for your input! Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm inclined to say that a runner-up in a league (whether that's 'normal' or 'final match') is notable. The slight difference here is that the U19 competition is youth so not always notable. However, as it appears to be the highest U19 youth level, I say include it. Giant Snowman 14:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Great! I'm personally indifferent about it but since you lean towards this I will make sure to keep including it in articles like Ethan Mbappé. BTW about him, did you hear he's going to Lille? Paul Vaurie (talk) 17:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

No, I didn't - feel free to update the article if it's confirmed and there's a reliable source confirming it. Giant Snowman 17:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Currently just a big news story. My prediction is that it'll be official in the next month or so. Perhaps earlier. Paul Vaurie (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Well let's wait until then! Giant Snowman 17:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 21, 2024)

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News program

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2025 FIFA Club World Cup qualifying

I added sources from ESPN and Goal India. Tell me if you need anything else please :) Largopajero (talk) 18:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding AfD discussion

Hello, GS. I'm genuinely wondering, why do you ask to be pinged for sources in here? WC gudang inspirasi (^{Read! Talk!}) 09:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Because if sources are located it could have an impact on GNG and therefore my view on notability. Giant Snowman 09:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, please wait a moment. WC gudang inspirasi (^{Read! Talk!}) 09:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but what do you mean by routine? WC gudang inspirasi (^{Read! Talk!}) 10:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

See WP:ROUTINE. Giant Snowman 10:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

"'Routine coverage' is not a disqualification for notability and may indeed be significant enough to surpass the general notability guideline." It was a national U-16 championship organised by the Indonesian Football Association. WC gudang inspirasi (^{Read! Talk!}) 11:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Please stop posting here - keep all comments at the AFD. Nothing you have presented or said is enough to convince me this article is notable. Giant Snowman 11:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

My bad. Then please allow me to copy my "notability" comment to the AfD. WC gudang inspirasi (^{Read! Talk!}) 12:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Keith Kennedy

Are you going to change back the edit you have removed due to your own ego? 213.249.184.79 (talk) 13:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

No. I reverted you because you added unsourced content about a living person, something you have been warned about previously. Giant Snowman 13:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

https://www.where-are-they-now.co.uk/footballer/Kennedy+Keith/2748

Multiple other sources if you can be bothered to look or knew anything about football, which you clearly don't. 213.249.184.79 (talk) 13:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC) 213.249.184.79 (talk) 07:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, stop the rudeness. Secondly, you did not actually provide that source (or any other) when making the edit did you? Giant Snowman 07:58, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Make sure to change the edit back rather than lecturing me... 213.249.184.79 (talk) 10:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Here's a better source. I'll update the article given you clearly lack the ability to do so competently. Giant Snowman 16:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi

How are you can you check this article and let me know if can you move to main space and thanks Editorinusa (talk) 14:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Here

Editorinusa (talk) 14:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Please stop changing date formats contrary to MOS:RETAIN

Please stop changing date formats contrary to MOS:RETAIN. Examples include https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emanuel_Lasker&diff=prev&oldid=1225718960 and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wilhelm_Steinitz&diff=prev&oldid=1225718997. Quale (talk) 20:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

RETAIN does not apply when the initial date format is simply wrong. Lasker was German and they use DMY, so MDY is wring. Steinitz is less clear and I'm content to remain MDY for him. Giant Snowman 07:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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Logo used from the 1990s until acquisition by Oracle

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Brian Kaltak "vandalism"

What are you talking about? He did win the Championship?

All you've changed is removing this line: "Kaltak was part of the Mariners' Championship, Premiership and AFC Cup winning 2023-24 season."

What are actually on about? What have I vandalised? He literally was, and it's referenced. Beyond ridiculous. Go fix it back yourself. Matt jobe watson (talk) 09:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

You removed valid sources. At best your edit was incompetent. Giant Snowman 18:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Go fix it up then champ. His page is now inaccurate because you removed details of him winning the 2023-24 championship. Matt jobe watson (talk) 13:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I should not need to clean up after you, repeatedly. Giant Snowman 17:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Masood Fakhri

I don't mean to be a pedant on this section you've removed from British Asians in association football, but based on the fact that Masood was an immigrant from Pakistan in 1956, he would have been a British colonial subject. You can read more about it here: British_subject#1949_to_1982. So frankly, the fact that he was in Britain and played for Bradford for that season, shows that he was a 'British Asian' in as far as you could be at that time. So I'd argue that he shouldn't be excluded form the article, but maybe needs a line to justify that he was a British subject. Mountaincirque^talk 13:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to raise on the talk page - my view is that it is outside of the scope/intention of the article. Giant Snowman 17:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Not sure this meets WP:BASIC. All independent in-depth coverage is WP:MILL election coverage. Simply being a candidate doesn't guarantee notability (WP:NPOL). Articles similar to this this usually don't survive AfD.

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Proposed deletion of Tommy Frenck

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Please check the page history in future, I did not create an article, I created a redirect which I have now restored. Giant Snowman 08:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Destiny Deacon

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This week's article for improvement (week 23, 2024)

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State of emergency

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Turkish lira banknote

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script-assisted date audit and style fixes per MOS:NUM causes reference error

Hi, your edit here caused a harv/sfn no-target error. I have fixed it for you. DuncanHill (talk) 18:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Giant Snowman 18:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

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Disruption

I see you have already had the "pleasure" of "talking" with this user (here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LightingMan01). With no success of course, the minute/second messages arrive at their talkpage they remove them without an inch of a reply.

Much more serious this: yes, i know clubs should be piped but i prefer them (in wording, not in box or intro) unpiped, that's an aesthetical approach more than anything wouldn't you agree? Look at what this user did to an anon edit by me at Sergio Postigo (again, it's also not vandalism when i edit anonymously even having an account), they reinstated the piped clubs (OK, a correct action per WP guidelines) but REMOVED my storyline additions, REFERENCE included (see this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sergio_Postigo&diff=next&oldid=1229228832), then wrote "reverting vandalism" in their summary!! Highly disruptive and false in my book; i do profit from the chance to notify you that, whenever this person edits a page and pipes the clubs, which is the ONLY thing they do here, pipe clubs, i never unpipe them back - as i just did in Mr. Postigo, i only reinstated my sourced wording.

Attentively, enjoy the rest of your weekend RevampedEditor (talk) 15:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I have left them a message. Giant Snowman 15:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Nothing new on the Western wiki-front, as i envisioned. Your message was summarily removed as soon as they logged in. RevampedEditor (talk) 11:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Removing warnings will not make them go away or reduce the risk of being blocked... Giant Snowman 19:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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Field hockey stick and ball

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Breaking wave

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you around?

Hi. Need a quick admin action, are you online for a few more minutes? Kindly ping me if you are going to be. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: yes, I've just logged on! Giant Snowman 17:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Theo Jansen's Strandbeest, a group of planar walking mechanisms

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Please stop changing date formats contrary to MOS:RETAIN

RETAIN does not apply when the initial date format is simply wrong. Lasker was German and they use DMY, so MDY is wring. Steinitz is less clear and I'm content to remain MDY for him. GiantSnowman 07:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

You are wrong. German date formats are irrelevant in the English Wikipedia. Germans do not write "24 December 1868" because "December" is not a German word. This only applies to national varieties of English, and Germany does not have a national variety of English. Quale (talk) 07:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

List of date formats by country says otherwise. Giant Snowman 18:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Billy Forbes

You don't seem to know the difference between vandalism and a mistake. But there was no mistake in my edit, and your threats don't impress me, so forget about them. Unofficial matches also count, in case you didn't know, so 22+10=32, and 8+11=19. Fix it yourself and stop vandalizing. You're no smarter than me, believe me. Proof of your mistake: https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/24995/Billy_Forbes.html Wolfgang (talk) 18:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

No, unofficial matches do NOT count. Giant Snowman 18:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

No? So show your balls and fix it: Robert Lewandowski. https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/27416/Robert_Lewandowski.html Correct from 152 to 149 and from 83 to 76. Let's go! Come on! And necessarily here and here and here. But if you won't do it - stay away from me and my edits! Because you wrong, and you know about it. Wolfgang (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean, 'fix it'? I just reverted your incorrect edit. Giant Snowman 19:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Lewandowski has it too incorrect data. Why don't you improve there? :) You are only brave for a little known football players. Wolfgang (talk) 19:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Giant Snowman 20:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but I consider my arguments as final, which make you pathetic. I showed you how wrong you are. Wolfgang (talk) 20:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Turks and Caicos Islands national football team

If Forbes has 22 games and 10 goals, why is there a mistake here? 32 apps and 19 goals? Vandalism too? You're a ridiculous. Wolfgang (talk) 18:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:WIKIPEDIAISNOTARELIABLESOURCE. Giant Snowman 19:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

You have to be a "genius" to use Wikipedia against Wikipedia... But why are you correcting my edits and not some other mistakes? I give you examples where unofficial matches and goals are recognized and you do nothing about it. Wolfgang (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I cannot correct every single mistake on every single page. Now you know it's incorrect, why don't YOU do something about it? Giant Snowman 20:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I will not do that because I know, that unnoficial matches also count. And you are inconsistent and officious. Wolfgang (talk) 20:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

What do you think 'unofficial' means? Giant Snowman 20:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

For example matches with members who are not in FIFA, albo matches that were not recognized by FIFA. That's why Lewandowski has 152 apps, not 149 (with that GiantSnowman is agree), and that's why Billy Forbes has 32 apps, not 22 (with that GiantSnowman is not agree - no one knows why, maybe he likes to be malicious). Wolfgang (talk) 20:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

If you continue to add incorrect information to BLPs, you will be blocked. Giant Snowman 20:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I've shown you how wrong you are, and you have no arguments for it. Remember, Wikipedia is not your private site. You are not the boss of this place. Wolfgang (talk) 20:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

You've shown me nothing other than your inability to be a civil and productive editor. Giant Snowman 16:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I am never civil to malicious trolls. And my productivity is much higher than what you do here. I remind you - Robert Lewandowski according to NFT - let's go! If you don't do this, you are not credible. Wolfgang (talk) 17:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

George Nevett

Many thanks for getting in touch. I am very sorry that you felt the need to do anything. I searched the drafts and nothing came up. I do not know how to search all individual sandboxes if you know of a way to do that I would be grateful. With regards the footballer in question he made his debut for Rochdale in the English Football League whilst they were in League Two. Independent of that, there were more than enough sources available to satisfy WP:GNG, that is significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. However, you seem to have deleted all of them now from the draft available. Not to worry, doesn’t matter in the bigger picture of things. Best wishes. G Hildreth gazzard (talk) 18:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

They are in the history, I deleted nothing deliberately, they will just be in an old version following the merges. Giant Snowman 19:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Vieirinha

This is getting out of hand, really. Last time i checked, we are not supposed to insert PLAYOFF stats in the infobox, because that's what the chart below is for (also with the cup apps and other stuff).

User:Gregor kai begs to differ, and even tough i have explained it to them in edit summaries, they do not seem to care. Attentively 193.137.135.5 (talk) 14:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I've left them a message. Please do not edit war over this. Giant Snowman 16:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Walter Bennett

Thanks for correction. Now correct Robert Lewandowski according to NFT https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/27416/Robert_Lewandowski.html. But you won't do it, because you don't have the courage for that, because that would be vandalism. That's why you are inconsistent. Wolfgang (talk) 17:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Done. Giant Snowman 14:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Respect. Wolfgang (talk) 17:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Jovan Malcolm

The way you have constantly sabotaged my edit is borderline racism. If you revert my edit again I'll have to consider calling the police.

I added useful information and valid references to the page and made it much clearer and more organized, who are you to decide 'there's no benefit' to my edit? STOP sabotaging my edit right now!! Or I'll do whatever I can to fight you on this!!! You have a little tiny bit of power and the way you abuse them is just truly disgusting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peilin99 (talk • contribs)

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Robert Lewandowski

Your edit was reverted, which proved you wrong. From now on, you are not allowed to change my edits or call me a vandal, otherwise I will have your account suspended. I was right, you were not. Wolfgang (talk) 15:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

No, having an edit reverted does not make somebody wrong - by that logic, YOU were wrong because I reverted it. I will continue to correct your errors. Giant Snowman 10:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

And if you look at the edit reverting me, the editor introduced an alternative source which is fine. Giant Snowman 10:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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Applied science

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Ambush of Polish partisans against Russian forces during the January Uprising, 1863

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Deletion

Hiya! Please delete this. Thank you! Polygnotus (talk) 18:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Done - in future you can use {{G7}} to request speedy deletion of your own user pages. Giant Snowman 18:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Matthew Silver Article Restoration

Can you please restore this Matthew Silver article from 2014? Its not the current article, its the one you deleted 10 years ago. WillStopUrThemeSong (talk) 22:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

The one about the "New York City based street and venue performer"? If so, do you propose I move it to e.g. Matthew Silver (artist) or similar, to differentiate from the current article about the historian? Giant Snowman 05:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes that's the one. I was thinking we move it to Matthew Silver (Performance Artist) WillStopUrThemeSong (talk) 12:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Done at Matthew Silver (performance artist). Giant Snowman 10:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Cape of Good Hope (left) and Cape Hangklip (right) in South Africa

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Sébastien Pocognoli

You recently removed the statistic section of this page that another user added without valid reason for removal - this is practically vandalism of the page considering the source they cited does support the changes they made. MisterXBelgium (talk) 22:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

No, Soccerway does NOT confirm Pocognoli's stats, just the results of the club generally. Giant Snowman 17:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Revert

Hi GiantSnowman, I noticed you reverted my edit to Georg Kareski under MOS:ETHNICITY. However, MOS:ETHNICITY states "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability." I would argue that his Jewishness is pretty clearly relevant to his notability. The only thing he really did was defend the antisemitic Nuremberg Laws, as I'm sure many nazis did, but that would not make any of them notable, it's the fact that he was Jewish that made his defense so surprising to people and therefore notable. Relinus (talk) 18:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Feel fee to change to "was a German banker and Jewish Revisionist Zionist" or similar - but not "German Jewish"... Giant Snowman 18:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Can I ask why? "German Jewish" is a real thing, and a phrase used by German Jews. Relinus (talk) 18:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Because MOS:ETHNICTY applies, as I said. Giant Snowman 18:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Greek football clubs in European competitions

Can you help with Greek football clubs in European competitions? There was an active disagreement with an IP user, asked for 3O, opened discussion on FOOTY, endless dispute in Talk page, three users have the same pov (Me, BEN917, Nevechear) and IP user (my guess, former Kyopa) keeps reverting and I don't think he's ever gonna stop. Abudabanas (talk) 08:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

See that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greek_football_clubs_in_European_competitions#Discussion_result As for the other user accusing me, I am not related nor do I know him and you can check that out. Like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Abudabanas/Archive — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:586:813D:2A91:75F0:CFBD:C49A:99CB (talk) 09:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

If you both don't stop edit warring, the page will be locked and you will be blocked. Giant Snowman 16:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Warned rightfully for violating the 3R rule and edit warring. Stopped editing and I am trying to find a solution through Talk page, inviting other users to share their pov, posting a discussion on Footy and adding a request for 3O. Don't think that IP user acted accordingly as can be seen from today's edit history and Talk: Greek football clubs in European competitions#Summary tables of results for each European cup separately. Abudabanas (talk) 10:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I have reverted and blocked the IP(s), and added the page to my watchlist. Giant Snowman 10:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Concerned about a somewhat prolific editor

Hi. I was browsing this article and I thought it was strange that all the sections started with lists of pages for further reading which are, to put it as fairly as I can, not unambiguously related or useful for someone trying to understand the article's content (even making allowances for the fact that, in my experience, psychoanalytic theory is prone to being rather abstruse, sometimes deliberately). It's also strange that the sections start with a punchy quotation. I did that kind of thing when I was writing papers in university, which (correct me if I'm wrong but) is entirely not how Wikipedia articles should read.

In fact the whole thing was so un-Wikipedia-like to read that I actually, for the first time I can remember, went into the history in an attempt to figure out if this was organic growth or if some limited number of editors was responsible. I think I found one. Many of their top-edited pages share similar problems. I don't know what to do about this, since the topics aren't exactly of world-shaking significance, nor is it aggressively contentious behavior, so it doesn't feel right to post to Admin Noticeboard/Incidents, but I'm concerned nonetheless. Your username was on the list of recently active admins and your userpage makes me think you might also care about these topics being well-represented. Though I guess we'll have to get someone very interested in football to make the actual edits? (I kid.)

Either way, here we are. Thanks in advance for reading. 2001:1C02:2C02:C900:B873:E5E8:7E8E:AECF (talk) 17:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

You should raise any concerns with the user directly, and only if it cannot be resolved should you escalate to AN/ANI. Giant Snowman 17:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 31, 2024)

Calder's Flamingo in Chicago

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List of public art in Chicago

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Page Deletion: Devin Boyce

Hello, while editing one of Forward Madison FC's pages, I noticed the deletion of the page of Devin Boyce. I feel that this is in error, as Boyce (in my opinion) is indeed a notable player - he been a professional soccer player since 2021, has over 100 career professional appearances, and was on the All-USL League One second team in 2021.

Here are some links that I feel are significant for his notability:

Forward Madison add former USL League One champion midfielder - Signing announcement by local news media in Madison, Wisconsin.
USL League One Announces 2021 All-League Teams - Announcement of Boyce's inclusion in the 2021 All-USL League One second team.
Union Omaha names 14 players to be retained for next season's roster - Boyce mentioned as a returning signing by local news media in Omaha, Nebraska, and additionally pictured at the bottom of the article.
NDZ Live 047: The Boyce is Back in Town - Interview with Boyce and Christian Chaney by NDZ Live, an independent Forward Madison-focused podcast. This interview includes extensive background of Boyce.
Another day, another win, with Devin Boyce - Interview with Boyce by Talkin' Flock, another independent Forward Madison-focused podcast. The host of the podcast, Rob Chappell, is a founder and writer for Madison news media outlet Madison365.

If Boyce's page needs additional work, please let me know and I'd be happy to work on it. Yoshiegg25 03:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

I am unsure why you have come to me rather than the deleting admin, @Explicit:. You should follow the guidance at Wikipedia:Deletion review if you want to challenge the outcome of the AFD. FWIW I don't think being on a few fan podcasts is enough, and the signing announcements are WP:ROUTINE. Giant Snowman 08:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Sweden football teams

I noticed that you created dab-pages from the redirects on Sweden national under-19 football team and Sweden national under-17 football team. Unfortunately, that gives problems on the article UEFA. Issue is the template:nft links that seem to miss the option to differentiate between the men's and women's teams. Do you have any idea how to solve this other then reverting your own edits? The Banner talk 11:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The template will need updating. My edits are in-line with RM consensus. Giant Snowman 16:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Any idea how to get that template updated? The Banner talk 16:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Beyond my technical skills I'm afraid - I suggest we ask at WT:FOOTBALL? Giant Snowman 16:33, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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Smiling woman

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Happiness

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vandalism

Take care of the vandalism of this IP Kasir ^talk 22:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

What is vandalism about it? Giant Snowman 17:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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Joe Hilton

I've put Joe Hilton's number back to 13 please see link to squad numbers on Rovers website https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2024/august/09/the-numbers-game/ Tombury89 (talk) 22:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

In future, and as you have been old repeatedly before, please provide sources when making the edit - it's no good to us after. Giant Snowman 11:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Aggressive editor

Hey there, I recently pinged you on an editor's Talk page, where I and another experienced editor have warned this editor for their disruptive editing and edit-warring (see [5]). This editor has called me a "dipshit" and has repeatedly and unapologetically disruptively edited multiple pages, reverting any changes I have made to correct the issues—even venturing into edit-war territory at Oxford United F.C. and Orlando Anderson. I wanted to make you aware of this, as my approaches have done nothing. I appreciate your help. Anwegmann (talk) 23:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

They've had a final warning - if they continue, let me know and I shall block. Giant Snowman 11:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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Vieirinha

They waited a whole month to see if we would forget (at least, that's what they got me thinking now!), and resumed inserting the play-off stats in the box.

Attentively RevampedEditor (talk) 23:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I have left them a final warning. Giant Snowman 08:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 33, 2024)

A fictional social network diagram

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Social experiment

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User:Hawkedin

Hi - could you take a look at User:Hawkedin's contributions on Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. In the last 4 day he has made 6 edits, each of which is to restore his preferred version. If you think I'm wrong, I will take your advice and if suggested back-off. Thanks Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 14:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I see that this user has now been blocked indefinitely as a Sockpuppet, so I guess my concerns are now academic. Enjoy the rest of your break/holiday. Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 18:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Glad it's been resolved, thanks! Giant Snowman 08:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Riku Sjöroos

Hello, I have a question about his stats. It's true he played in two Finnish League Cup games with Haka earlier this year. He was never under contract with the club but was only in a roster as a test player. It is mentioned here https://fchaka.fi/uutiset/fc-hakan-liigacup-alkaa-lauantaina-oulussa/.

Even though it's "an official tournament", Finnish League Cup exists basically to get some competitive-ish games during a long pre-season. But the clubs consider those games as friendlies and try different line-ups. It is also permitted in the Finnish League Cup rules to use test players in the games (three test players, seven substitutions, per https://www.hjk.fi/artikkelit/miehet/liigacup-kayntiin-perjantaina-klo-14-mukana-kiinnostava-testipelaaja/ for example). So he never belonged in Haka on a contract.

Should Haka be included in his infobox and/or in career stats section? Thanks 16:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC) Syvä-äksy (talk) 16:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes - the contractual position is irrelevant here, the fact is he played in a competitive official match(es). In Scottish football trial lists can play in the league. Giant Snowman 16:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks 23:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC) Syvä-äksy (talk) 23:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 34, 2024)

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Editor experience invitation

Hi GiantSnowman :) I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

It's in my 'to do' list :) Giant Snowman 17:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Done Giant Snowman 16:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 35, 2024)

Director Sergio Leone (right) and actor Enzo Santaniello on the set of the film

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Once Upon a Time in the West

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Vieirinha

They now resorted to anon editing, and continue to vandalise (for lack of a better word) the infobox. Pityful!

Attentively RevampedEditor (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Revert, warn, and report at WP:AIV. Giant Snowman 17:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Continued issues with a disruptive and aggressive editor

I am having an issue with a disruptive and aggressive editor who has resorted to personal attacks (in an edit summary [6] they referred to me as a "ret*rd") and has continually made unsourced edits and reversions to Maarten Paes, even after several explanations, warnings, and invitations to discuss the issue on the Talk page. I pinged you on the most recent Talk page warning, but they deleted it immediately. I just wanted to make you aware of this, because I have already reverted their reversions twice, and I don't want to get into an edit war. I appreciate your help. Anwegmann (talk) 02:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I have warned them for civility. If it happens again let me know and I will block. Giant Snowman 17:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I'll keep you in the loop. Anwegmann (talk) 21:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Proposal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FCSB&diff=prev&oldid=1242518277

Please if a new ban can be added for this user, disruptive reverting and no explanation. Cenderabird (talk) 03:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

What is wrong with the edit? Giant Snowman 16:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dragos-Tataru (could be impersonation of living person)

note

[7] is wrong per mos:nick since it’s a non-English diminutive 78.18.79.199 (talk) 14:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

If 'Kasia' is so widely used, then use WP:RM to move the article. Giant Snowman 16:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Cancel culture

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Peter Atherton

Hi GiantSnowman. Just replying about Peter Atherton as you removed my edit again. I would say it is a notable event in Peter Atherton's career. As a defensive medifield who rarely scored, his long-distance goal against Aston Villa is a notable exception, and one that readers may be interested in knowing about and watching themselves. I guess my question to you is why is it not notable? Would you prefer it if I added in more context around Atherton's goalscoring record, which was modest, include a reference to this as an exception? I'm just trying to find out why this is not something that belongs in a Wikipedia entry? Thanks, Chegchenko (talk) 14:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Do reliable sources say it was a notable event? Giant Snowman 15:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

The Independent (28th Nov 1994) titled their report of the match 'Atherton's lesson for Little' and described the goal as 'a freakishly spectacular 40-yard equaliser'. (MIKE ROWBOTTOM. (November 28, 1994, Monday). Football: Atherton's lesson for Little. The Independent (London). https://advance.lexis.com/api/document?collection=news&id=urn:contentItem:3S7T-BFF0-008G-C04P-00000-00&context=1519360.)

The Guardian (28th Nov 1994) described it as a 'superb 35-yard drive' (David Lacey. (November 28, 1994). SOCCER: EDGY DRAW IS LITTLE REWARD; Premiership: Aston Villa 1, Sheffield Wednesday 1. The Guardian (London). https://advance.lexis.com/api/document?collection=news&id=urn:contentItem:3TDH-0150-006X-B3TV-00000-00&context=1519360.)

The Mirror (28th Nov 1994) described it as 'Peter Atherton's spectacular 57th-minute equaliser...Mark Bosnich's poor kick found Atherton 30 yards out, and the £800,000 right back released a dipping volley which clipped the bar as it sailed over the flailing keeper' (via AVCF History: https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/game/4347).

If I add these references to the edit, would this make it count as 'notable'? Thanks, Chegchenko (talk) 17:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

These are all superlatives in match reports - nothing unusual there! We normally only include key goals/games - debuts, hat-tricks, in finals, pat of a shock result etc. Giant Snowman 19:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. This seems quite a bland definition of what is 'notable' in a career, particularly one such as Atherton's, in which 45-yard screamers were quite rare. It seems like something that people would like to know about, if they were reading his page. (I also note that David Beckham's goal vs Wimbledon in 1996 is included in his entry.) However, as this was Peter Atherton's first Premier League goal, I have updated the passage to reflect this. Thanks for your help and feedback. -- Chegchenko (talk) 07:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/AFC_Crewe_(2nd_nomination)#AFC_Crewe

The club played in the FA cup yesterday as per my most recent update just before th page was deleted this 100% hits the WP:GNG requirement: England: Clubs that play or have played at step 6 of the National League System (level 10 of the English football league system), or in the FA Cup, FA Trophy, FA Amateur Cup or FA Vase generally meet WP:GNG criteria. Will this now be reconsidered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iblethebible (talk • contribs) 10:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

You can use WP:Deletion review if you wish to challenge the close. Giant Snowman 17:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Vieirinha

Back with the account, they resumed their infobox wrongdoings!

Attentively 193.137.135.5 (talk) 11:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I have issued a final warning again - it has been too long for me to block them. Giant Snowman 17:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

AGAIN, they don't (want to) listen! --RevampedEditor (talk) 11:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Continued personal attacks and disruptive editing

I am continuing to have issues with the same user I mentioned last week. This time, he called me the Indonesian slang term "kntol," (short for "kontol") which translates to "dick" or "dickhead," here. He has continued to make aggressive, uncompromising, edit-warish edits as well. I appreciate any help you can offer. Anwegmann (talk) 15:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Blocked for personal attacks. Giant Snowman 17:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Anwegmann (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Joey Antonioli edit

Hello,

Those two clubs have an academy that they run jointly, here is the Dutch language article. There is no matching article in English wiki, so I wasn't sure how to properly link it, considered not linking at all, but then those are not some obscure clubs, so I linked them twice separately, that's also confusing, I understand. Maybe do {{interlanguage link}}, like FC Twente / Heracles Academy [nl] ?

Geregen2 (talk) 18:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

How bizarre - yes, please use the inter wiki link. Giant Snowman 20:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Question about manual Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Nominations for deletion and page moves

Hey, I noticed you manually editing Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Nominations for deletion and page moves and was wondering why Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Article alerts wasn't working for you? Gonnym (talk) 08:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

It is, but it doesn't list in the format we use at FOOTYDEL. Giant Snowman 18:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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Map of the Caroline Islands Archipelago

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Vieirinha

Same old, same old... When is any definitive action being taken, if you do not mind me asking?

Attentively RevampedEditor (talk) 12:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I have blocked for 1 week. Giant Snowman 17:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Did not do any good (but i thank you again nonetheless!), they resorted to IP editing and continue to do the same! --RevampedEditor (talk) 18:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Sock blocked - if they continue let me know. Giant Snowman 20:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Peer review

Hi, I was referred to you as an experienced football editor. I therefore ask you to please review some of my contribs (especially the longer ones). I'm curious what mistakes I make (especially language-wise, as I'm a non-native English speaker and other rules-wise) just to become better in the future. I am not exactly a new user (because I have some experience in pl wiki), but I guess it's not enough to be absolutely sure about myself here :) Regards, Karol739 (talk) 19:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with your language per se, but some improvements include this and this, to make it sound a bit better and more natural. Giant Snowman 20:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, in Tomasz Loska I've used that form, because "with a option to a further year" is a direct translation from Polish (from the sources). I did not want to cause any autorship rights inconveniences. Karol739 (talk) 13:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

We should not be directly copying text (translated or otherwise) unless used as a quote. Giant Snowman 17:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

That's right. This is why I did it the other way. Karol739 (talk) 18:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Answering my question

Don’t know if you’re deliberately ignoring my question, or if you genuinely don’t get any notification when I reply to you on my talk page, but I’m posting it here in a final attempt to get you to answer my question.

My original question regarding your claim that there were no sources when editing the Jakob Dunsby article:

Hi again. This is now the third time you have had a problem with my sourcing (maybe you’ve had more problems, but at least these are the ones you have let me know about). Let me be the first one to admit that I’m definitely not without my mistakes, and that I try to make as few as possible. Again though, I struggle to see what the problem is. At least with the specific edit you are mentioning.

His middle name is mentioned in both the sources that's already in the article that are used to present who he is and where he plays, so it makes sense that I would include his full name, as it wasn’t there already. I don’t really know what else you want. I feel like if you had used the minute you used to write this message to check this instead, we would have been without this discussion. Maybe there is something I’m missing, and if that’s the case, I would love for you to enlighten me.

I’m hoping you’ll answer this time, as it is a question directed directly at you, but based on my previous attempts to engage in a conversation with you, I’m not holding my breath. Eggman02 (talk) 21:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

What question, where? If you want to include a full name, that is welcome, but only if cited to a source. Giant Snowman 20:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

edit warring

[8] [9] This is simply edit warring, albeit with a change of argument and a new inclination not to cite guideline or policy. A venue for discussion was already open. Please don’t make it annoying simply to edit the encyclopedia. 78.18.79.199 (talk) 18:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I repeat what I said on the article talk page. Giant Snowman 18:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Deleting draft redirects

Hi GiantSnowman. Speedy deletion of the redirects from draftspace Draft:Finn Ashworth, Draft:Iban Fagoaga Aguirre, Draft:Connor McAvoy (footballer, born 2002), and Draft:Ignacio Jesús Trujillo Cabrera was out of process and contrary to the consensus at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 135#Draft Namespace Redirects and noted at WP:G13. Would you undelete those? SilverLocust 💬 18:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Done - unaware of the consensus - think it's pointless FYI. Giant Snowman 15:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 38, 2024)

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Polling station

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Warren Harding

Regarding your proposed change to the first sentence, take a look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Presidents#First sentences. Bruce leverett (talk) 19:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't even think there is agreement there, but nevertheless, WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Giant Snowman 19:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Cedric van der Gun

A user you've blocked for block evasion has made the talk page history to be a totally different version so that the user appears to be the creator of the talk page instead of the user/bot who actually created it. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

That should now be restored? Giant Snowman 17:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes it has. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 17:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks like IP socks of User:Noriandreas

The IPs 36.68.52.115 and 36.68.53.189 have been making dozens of edits, and nearly every single one of them have been to articles recently edited by block user Noriandreas. In some cases, the articles have been almost universally edited by Noriandreas for as long as the past two years (example). Their types of edits are likewise nearly identical to those very often made my Noriandreas. I just wanted to give you a heads up about this. Anwegmann (talk) 04:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realise this account has been re-blocked. Both GiantSnowman and I know Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Noriandreas exists in case more problems become noticeable in the future. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 06:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

SPI won't link IP to a named account - so WP:DUCK applies. Giant Snowman 18:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

2014 AC Nagano Parceiro season Deletion discussion.

Hi hi 👋

You said to let you know as I found sources, I’ve found a site which is an independent data visualisation site for every team, season, and game of the Japanese professional leagues, including J3 from 2014 season on.

https://www.football-lab.jp/naga/match?year=2014

Seems to me to be a significant, reliable, independent secondary source which handles all the data stuff internally and has editorial policies in place… and was wondering if you considered this sufficient. You have to click around the site a bit to see different tabs, and unfortunately (at least for me on my iPad) google auto-translate translates the data, but not the tabs that help you get around the site, but I also linked to the first match’s individual data visualisation on the article, if you want to check what individual game citations will look like.

Also not sure from the timing whether you saw the section / sources I added re the season’s stadium revamp.

thanks a lot, hope you’re having a great weekend,

michael Absurdum4242 (talk) 12:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

That is pure data - where is the WP:SIGCOV? Giant Snowman 17:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for your reply.

as far as I can tell, it meets all the criteria for significance - “

Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.”

The match and season pages address the topic directly, do not require original research to understand, and is not a trivial mention - they are the main topic of the source material.

Also, while the pages are statistic based, they are not taken from anywhere else, the company collects and processes the data from direct observation of the games - there isn’t anyone else out there producing say data for the number of times a player enters the 30meter line, or dribbling stats for this game vs the season average. They then further process the basic data to produce a visual timeline of the match broken down into 15 minute phases, synthesising possession, shots on goal, and goals scored into a single graphic. Finally, the company produces what I *think* is a proprietary statistic (I can’t find it anywhere in google, except pointing to this company’s pages) - CBP, “Chance Building Point”, in a transformative use of the underlying data, built using all the other statistics.

All this seems to me to be clear evidence that the company producing the site are undertaking independent research, with a clear authorial and editorial intent. Given that, I can’t see how this doesn’t count as significant?

I feel like if some random cub reporter had watched the game and written even a fraction of this out in words - ie “AC Nagano Parceiro played Fukushima United FC in their first match of the season on March 9, 2014 at Ajinomoto Field, Nishigaoka. Attendance was 4,312. Nagano Parceiro won the match 1-0, with Forward Shunta Takahashi scoring in the 17th minute of the first half. While Fukushima United had higher possession throughout the match, they only had five shots on goal compared to 12 for Nagano Parceiro” - then we wouldn’t be having this conversation, because THAT would definitely be significant coverage, but because it’s presented in numbers rather than words it’s somehow easier to overlook?

Anyway, sorry to take your time again.

have a great day, Michael. Absurdum4242 (talk) 04:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Club reports are not enough - it needs to be independent third-party sources. Giant Snowman 10:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Umm, this IS an independent third party source though? As per their company about page (via google translate)

“ "Football LAB" provides not only J.League match results and basic stats (number of shots, number of passes, etc.), but also "one step further data" such as play data such as passes and tackles in the match, and "Football LAB's original player evaluation index score "Chance Building Points (CBP)" derived from statistical analysis based on a huge amount of data of over 1 million.

Through "Football LAB", we hope that supporters of each J.League club, soccer fans, and many people involved in soccer will use this site to learn more about soccer and enjoy it more.

"Football LAB" is a "laboratory" as the name of the site suggests. We aim to provide valuable data, and we plan to review the content from time to time so that we can contribute even a little to the strengthening, spread, and development of Japanese soccer from the perspective of data.

"Football LAB" uses data from "J STATS: J STATS" *1, the official J.League stats, but the number of shots and the number of last passes are numbers obtained independently by Data Stadium.”

They are an external data visualisation organisation outside of both the central J-league organisation and and of the individual teams. Absurdum4242 (talk) 12:58, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

This is their (Data Stadium, the company that produces “Football Lab”) company ownership etc details, if that helps

https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/156167-92#overview Absurdum4242 (talk) 13:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

The fact you have said "we aim to provide" (my emphasis) shows you have a WP:COI here. Giant Snowman 13:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

In fact, no… as I wrote, that is a google translate of their company “about” page, which I quoted to show they are an independent third party. I am nothing at all to do with them, being a NZ based souvenir shop owner without even that much interest in soccer 😹

I am absolutely not accusing you of arguing in bad faith, but suggesting WP:COI honestly sounds like a reach? If you’re determined that the sources I sent through aren’t kosher then I’m not really sure what else I can do to convince you, so I’ll not bother you here, and just make a note that I’ve added those sources, and that they’re independent on the main deletion discussion thread.

you have a lovely evening. Absurdum4242 (talk) 14:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

You have not sent any SIGCOV which would make me re-consider my !vote. Giant Snowman 14:24, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Repoy to Your Message

Kumusta/Hello,

Thanks for your message but actually, I disagree. I am sorry, but I have to disagree with you. You see, I’m not being disruptive or non-constructive in any way, shape or form. I simply add a goal to the goal count because Armstrong score last week against the San Jose Earthquakes. Here’s the proof: [10].

He did score a goal, and that is why I added it. If you believe he did not score this goal, you are more than welcome to contact the Vancouver Whitecaps FC, the MLS, or Google Sports records or all three to say why you believe there was no goal by him. You are even more welcome to take them to court and dispute this goal, although even with best lawyer in the world you will not win the case since Armstrong clearly scored it, as seen like here. My father is very professional lawyer in the Philippines but he is retired, even if not he would not be able win this case for you because the facts are there and you are in the wrong. I believe in God the Almighty Father and He know that the facts are there and the goal was indeed scored. He sees all things from heaven above.

So, please carefully consider yourself before sending any messages of the sort. I just wanted to help add new information, and you are directly accusing me of non-constructioness and misinformation and indirectly accusing of heresy, vandalism and identity theft. I do not mean to be impolite, but my only intentions was to add the goal and nothing else. Do not undo it next time.

Salamat/Thanks. 66.23.117.53 (talk) 03:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Your edit said he had 0 appearances but 1 goal - an impossibility and clearly a nonsense. Giant Snowman 11:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Human geography

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Football database

Hi GiantSnowman, can you please tell me why football database is not a reliable source for stats? I cannot find any consensus in WP football that it is any more or less trust worthy than other sites. Especially within the constraints of just using it for UAE President's Cup stats on Kodjo Laba's article considering that Soccerway does not track this competition. Thanks. Rupert1904 (talk) 10:00, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Rupert. WP:WPFLINKSNO has details on why FootballDatabase.eu is unreliable. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Robby. So how should we cite his and other player's statistics in the UAE President's Cup considering Soccerway and Soccerbase do not track this competition? That also goes for the Saudi First Division League, Durand Cup in India, the Malaysia Cup, and I'm sure plenty of other professional competitions too that for one reason or another aren't tracked by these more reliable sites. Rupert1904 (talk) 11:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't know, I'm afraid. Maybe editors who edit UAE, India, Malaysia football articles frequently have an idea? Robby.is.on (talk) 12:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

We should only source stats from reliable sources. If reliable sources don't track it, then we don't need to display them. Giant Snowman 19:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Don't agree with that whatsoever. These are still professional leagues and competitions and the stats in these competitions are therefore noteworthy. It just shows that there is a bias on soccerway and other sites to European competitions. Rupert1904 (talk) 10:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

WP:Verifiability is non-negotiable. That said, I'm sure there are reliable sources out there that are hard to find for us because they are in Arabic or other non-Latin script languages. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Robby - we can't source something to a non-RS just because "it's notable". Giant Snowman 18:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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