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JoeNMLC, you are invited to the Teahouse![edit]
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Wishing you a happy 2022! [edit]
JoeNMLC, Have a great 2022 and thanks for your continued contributions to Wikipedia. ![]() – Background color is Very Peri (#6868ab), Pantone's 2022 Color of the year Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2022}} to user talk pages.
– North America1000 17:36, 3 January 2022 (UTC) p:astro/events[edit]Hi JoeNMLC - I was just checking if you were working on this month's events for the Astronomy portal, and if you still wanted to keep our arrangement of alternating months. If not, that's ok! I was just wondering since I haven't heard from you in a while. --Lasunncty (talk) 06:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for January 30[edit]An automated process has detected that when you recently edited List of New York University faculty, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Spanish. (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC) Lists of football clubs in de-orphaned articles[edit]Hello. I would like to ask you to stop adding List of football clubs in X country to the football player articles. List of football clubs and specific player are undoubtedly related to broader topic of association football, but I struggle to see how they related to each other and what help such links serve for the readers. Please try to update the update pattern you're using. Thank you. --BlameRuiner (talk) 21:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Year articles[edit]Hi, please note that the year articles (i.e. 1983) are for people who have notability across multiple countries. There are "Year in Country" articles (i.e. 1983 in France) for people wo are only notable in one country (or a very few). Black Kite (talk) 18:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
1979 in Equatorial Guinea moved to draftspace[edit]An article you recently created, 1979 in Equatorial Guinea, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "
Your submission at Articles for creation: 1979 in Equatorial Guinea has been accepted[edit]![]() Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions. The article has been assessed as List-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.
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Some thoughts on orphanage stuff[edit]Hey, I noticed you made some edits recently to some orphans I have PROD'd/AfD'd and I had some thoughts about it. It seems to me that there's not much point spending time trying to de-orphan something that's likely to be deleted, first because if it's not notable then it's not likely to have any good spots to link it from, and second if it's going to be deleted, those links will just be removed anyway. I also noticed that you're adding de-orphaning templates/messages to the talk pages of some orphaned articles. As much as I think it's great that you're trying to spread the word, I'm not sure it's all that useful in actually getting articles de-orphaned. Most of these pages are little-seen backwaters (check the page information for hits on the talk page - less than 10 a month in most cases for old orphans) and they already have the orphaned tag on the article, so posting on the talk page is a bit redundant. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
1966 in the Soviet Union moved to draftspace[edit]An article you recently created, 1966 in the Soviet Union, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "
Your submission at Articles for creation: 1966 in the Soviet Union (March 23)[edit]![]()
Your submission at Articles for creation: 1966 in the Soviet Union has been accepted[edit]![]() Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions. The article has been assessed as List-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.
If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation. If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider .Thanks again, and happy editing! Greenman (talk) 11:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)Your submission at Articles for creation: Peter Oliver (musician) (April 5)[edit]![]()
Chiego and Newark[edit]This edit added William J. Chiego to the List of people from Newark, New Jersey. The source cited isn't live, but an archived version says nothing about his being from Newark, nor is there some other source in his article to connect him to Newark. Do you have anything to establish a connection to Newark? Alansohn (talk) 00:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Nomination of List of years in Brunei for deletion[edit]![]() The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of years in Brunei until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. RE: Draftification of Claude François Bruno Siblot[edit]I moved this page you draftified back to mainspace. It is generally bad practice to draftify a page older than around 6 months old; this particular page is 10 years old. As the subject is notable and there is a corresponding French Wikipedia article, then the best duty would just be to tag it with Twinkle tags, or if you're feeling spicy and have the language knowledge, perhaps translating it. Curbon7 (talk) 01:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]Hello, JoeNMLC Thank you for creating List of years in Republic of the Congo. User:North8000, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.) North8000 (talk) 02:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC) I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]Hello, JoeNMLC Thank you for creating List of years in Colombia. User:North8000, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.) North8000 (talk) 02:06, 19 May 2022 (UTC) I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]Hello, JoeNMLC Thank you for creating List of years in Cuba. User:North8000, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.) North8000 (talk) 02:11, 19 May 2022 (UTC) General History of Latin American link ending orphan status deleted[edit]I appreciate that you tried to end the orphan status of a page, but I have deleted the link for General History of Latin America on the Latin America page. The publication had been posted on the UNESCO website, but it is "no longer available". An internet search found no evidence that is archived somewhere. I am going to nominate the page for deletion.Amuseclio (talk) 17:02, 28 May 2022 (UTC)Amuseclio I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]Hello, JoeNMLC Thank you for creating 1973 in Botswana. User:North8000, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.) North8000 (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2022 (UTC) June 2022[edit]
"see also" de-orphaning[edit]Hey Joe, I've noticed you making quite a few "see also" style de-orphanings recently. I know both myself and other users have asked you more than once to be more cautious with those in the past, but it seems like it's still ongoing and I wanted to remind you why those are not really useful except in extreme cases. The point of de-orphaning is to build the web and enable readers to reach articles that may be of interest to them via inline links. Using see also to de-orphan rarely contributes to that goal, and instead just de-orphans for de-orphaning's sake. On top of that, see also sections should be tightly curated, and need to be strongly related to the topic so they will be useful to the reader. Putting individual people in see also sections of broad topics is almost never useful unless the person is very tightly related to the topic, and in those cases they should usually be mentioned in the text instead. The same goes for taxonomy articles like Aniserica, which you put as a "see also" in Ericaceae. Ericaceae is a large family with 120+ genera in it across 9 subfamilies; these genera cannot all be placed in the see also, or it would become wildly cluttered. As it turned out, Aniserica isn't even a valid genus anymore, so it wound up as a redirect - this kind of cleanup of bad or duplicate articles is a secondary benefit of de-orphaning work. I know you mean well and want to reduce the backlog, but it's important to do so in a useful and thoughtful way that improves articles, otherwise we may as well not do it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Year articles[edit]Please stop adding unreferenced entries to the Year articles. I have enough work to do getting rid of the ones that are already present, without having to undo yet more. Deb (talk) 15:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for June 21[edit]An automated process has detected that when you recently edited List of people from Grenoble, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page CTHS. (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:02, 21 June 2022 (UTC) Meena Dimian and Bayonne[edit]This edit, added Meena Dimian as a notable to the article for Bayonne, New Jersey. The source you cited is NYC Media Group, which does nor appear to mention Dimian or make any connection to Bayonne, either on the page you linked or in a search on the site. His article says that he was born in Bayonne, but cites no source. I did a search in Google and Newspapers.com and found no reliable and verifiable source to connect him to Bayonne. Did I miss something in the link? Otherwise, I'm not seeing anything that would establish a connection. Alansohn (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]Hello, JoeNMLC Thank you for creating 1976 in the Soviet Union. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.) ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 12:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC) I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]Hello, JoeNMLC Thank you for creating 1980 in the Soviet Union. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.) ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 14:13, 11 July 2022 (UTC) Regarding Patna[edit]Hey, I noticed your edit at Patna. The village you have added belongs to Patna district (of which Patna is the headquarters), and not the city itself. I don't think that article will need a Villages section as the article is for the city itself. I have reverted your edit for now, but if you have other views I would love to listen. extra999 (talk) 21:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Years in association football[edit]May I ask why you have deleted the templates for years in association football (eg. 2022 in Association football)? Made it easier to see and jump between different countries. Cheers, Kezyfooty (talk) 11:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi. The technical changes you made recently to the Deaths in 2022 page have been reverted. They are a consensually agreed set of requests and informational guidelines, and as such require a fresh consensus to be reached at the talk page for any changes. Please start a new section on that talk page outlining the changes you would like to see made and why. Thanks. Ref (chew)(do) 19:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: 2000 in Romania has been accepted[edit]![]() Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions. The article has been assessed as List-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.
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Disbanded Verwaltungsgemeinschaften in Saxony-Anhalt[edit]Hi, I see you've been adding former Verwaltungsgemeinschaften to articles about districts in Saxony-Anhalt, for instance at Stendal (district), where you added Bismark/Kläden, and Salzlandkreis, where you added Aschersleben/Land, both without any context or current status. I guess your idea was to de-orphan them. Since these organisations don't exist anymore, I think it's better to link to them from current municipalities that were members (like Aschersleben and Bismark, Germany). An alternative would be to discuss all the former Verwaltungsgemeinschaften of a district in its history section. Markussep Talk 17:43, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
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The Magical Moment nominated for deletion[edit]The article, The Magical Moment, has been nominated for deletion. You may comment on the nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Magical Moment Donald Albury 22:25, 24 April 2023 (UTC) Please stop[edit]I notice you are adding at high speed utterly ridiculous "assessments" to projects, resulting in e.g. Cyclo-cross, Wout Van Aert, and even Tadej Pogacar being of "Low importance" to the cycling project??? Assessments have very little value anyway, but if you add them, at least make an effort to get it somewhat right. If you don't know enough about the subject, please just don't assess importance at all. Fram (talk) 15:32, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Gary Seligson and West Orange[edit]This edit to the article for Gary Seligson makes the assertion that the article has been "Successfully de-orphaned!♦ Wikiproject Orphanage". This was accomplished by adding Seligson as a notable of West Orange, New Jersey in this edit, which has an edit summary stating "add Gary Seligson, drummer and percussionist; copied content from Gary Seligson; see that page's history for attribution". I reviewed all of the sources in the article for Seligson and I don't see that any of the eight references mention West Orange. Maybe I missed something, but if you had a source that made the connection, why did you not add the source to the West Orange article, as has been done for every single notable in that list. If you didn't have a source, why did you add it? De-orphaning articles is wonderful, but if you're just spreading unsourced content from one article to another, you're making things genuinely worse than before. In every case, find the source and add content to article with the source, as required by Wikipedia's verifiability policy, which says that "Even if you are sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." No one should be dependent on reading an edit summary to direct them to a source that might -- or might not -- exist in some other article. Alansohn (talk) 18:59, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Removing your Deletion Proposal on Tiga guérisseur[edit]Hello, I removed the tag on the page. First and mostly, the film seems notable (I added two sources from books but Googlebooks has quite a few other that could be also quoted). But also, the page had already been proposed for deletion in 2020. And, as you know, you can't do this twice. Best, — MY, OH, MY! 08:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
May 2023[edit]
@GiantSnowman: - On tonight's History channel there was a segment on Dorcas Reilly, chef and inventor. When I looked her up on Wikipedia, I see the article is nicely referenced. Even though the Rater tool suggests the article Class - Start, wondering if class C would be better? Only thing I can see missing a perhaps a photo. JoeNMLC (talk) 04:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
CS1 error on 1972 in the United States[edit]
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Speedy deletion nomination of House of God Church (Keith Dominion)[edit]Hello JoeNMLC, I wanted to let you know that I just tagged House of God Church (Keith Dominion) for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles. If you don't want House of God Church (Keith Dominion) to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top. You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks! Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer. greyzxq talk 21:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of 2013 Puntland Democratic election[edit]Hello JoeNMLC, I wanted to let you know that I just tagged 2013 Puntland Democratic election for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles. If you don't want 2013 Puntland Democratic election to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top. You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks! Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer. greyzxq talk 21:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for June 6[edit]An automated process has detected that you recently added links to disambiguation pages.
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Bianca Barreto moved to draftspace[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Bianca Barreto. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it needs more sources to establish notability and your article is too short, please see WP:HOW to see how to write better pages. Please use the sandbox if you want to do any more test changes. Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while. Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Wafflesvarog (talk) 19:58, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Re: Hidden Valley Downs[edit]...a page you prodded last Thursday, and which I decided to commit to my watchlist only because I might give saving this a shot through WP:Library/Newspapers.com. Listing two potential sources for your consideration, which may make this horsetrack satisfy WP:GNG along with the Sports Illustrated story already listed there. Anything extra, and I'll hopefully ping back soon. Wish me luck!
--Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 05:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Tagging pages for deletion[edit]Hello, JoeNMLC, Just a reminder that when you tag a page for any type of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/MFD/etc.), it's good practice to post a notification on the talk page of the page creator. Most editors do this by using Twinkle when they tag pages for deletion. Twinkle is a very useful editing tool that is used by most page patrollers and many administrators. It basically has all of the templates you might need so that you don't need to remember them or go search for them. I encourage you to try it out and see how it makes posting welcome messages or talk page warnings, reporting vandals, setting up an AFD discussion, so many editing tasks, much easier. Just remember to set your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator" and then any time you tag a page for deletion, Twinkle will post a notice on your behalf to the article creator. I'm sure if you created an article, you would want to know if it was headed towards deletion so it's considered a courtesy. It's especially important with PROD'd articles where an editor can set about to address any concerns you have about an article. Thank you for your contributions to the project! Liz Read! Talk! 20:02, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
I have removed the
Show the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article[edit]I've noticed your prod rationale
Hello, Just letting you know I've removed the ProD tag from the page. The article is a stub but the subject seems rather notable. Best, -MY, OH MY! (mushy yank) 09:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Invitation[edit]![]() Hello JoeNMLC!
Thank you for your consideration. We hope to see you around! Sent by Zippybonzo using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) at 07:50, 21 July 2023 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for July 23[edit]An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Fan Girl (2020 film), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Project 8. (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 10:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC) If Y'all Weren't Here, I'd Be Crying Tour moved to draftspace[edit]Thanks for your contributions to If Y'all Weren't Here, I'd Be Crying Tour (2). Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it has no sources and It has too little information to be encyclopedic.. Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while. Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:48, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
Danchuwa- Bula Ward moved to draftspace[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Danchuwa- Bula Ward. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it has no sources. Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while. Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Losipov (talk) 19:29, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
IEEE Fellows[edit]Hi, just a note on this move: IEEE Fellows are explicitly mentioned as notable in Wikipedia:NPROF as long as their fellowship can be confirmed, so a one source stub is probably fine in this case. Thanks, Schminnte (talk • contribs) 16:30, 10 August 2023 (UTC) A barnstar for you![edit]
PRODs[edit]Hello, JoeNMLC, I was just looking over articles that have been PROD'd, like Andriy Savenets, and noticed that you didn't post a notification on the talk page of the page creator. It also helps editors if, in your edit summry when you tag a page as a PROD, if you mention that you are "Proposing an article for deletion" or "PROD". If an article gets de-PROD'd, it's then easy to tell by looking at the page history that an article has been PROD'd before. These practices are made easier if you use Twinkle when you are tagging a page for any type of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/MFD/RFD/CFD/etc.). Just make sure you have set your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator" and then Twinkle will post these notices on your behalf and you don't need to take any additional steps. It really makes things easy so I encourage you to try Twinkle out. Twinkle has a lot of other great features that you'll discover including maintaining deletion logs for you, if you are interested in tracking how you are doing. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 16:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Unsourced "sources"[edit]Please engage on article talk at Tate (spirit) and read WP:RS. Commercial links that cite no sources, as well as blogs, are not usable sources on Wikipedia. Best wishes, - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC) CS1 error on Terminating deposit[edit]
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Relevant references[edit]Hi, hope you are doing well. I rollbacked two of your edits, one on El Dorado (Japanese band) and one on Mabel Martin Wyrick because the sources you added did not reference the actual topic of either article. For example, the reference on the El Dorado was about visual kei culture but, going through the article, there was no mention of the band as the actual topic. Similarly, Mabel Martin Wyrick's reference was the US Census for a place in Kentucky where some of her writing was based - it has nothing do with her as an author. I am going to continue looking for these kinds of issues and trying to find a better reference where possible or rolling them back where necessary. Please be sure that the sources you are using as references are meeting the project's guidelines of being relevant, reliable, and verifiable. I understand your desire to get through the categories and backlogs but adding references to any topic mentioned in an article, rather than the article's topic itself, does not accomplish what the URA is all about. I'm happy to discuss this further but I really think we need to focus on quality, not speed. Kazamzam (talk) 16:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Reference relevance reminder[edit]Hi again. I'm reaching out because I have noticed there are still issues with you referencing relevant sources for articles. For example, on the 2006 US Open – Men's doubles, you cited a 2012 press release from Emirates Airlines that did not mention anything from 2006 or doubles. This provides no meaningful information about the topic and does not back up the claims of the article in any way. Adding relevant, reliable, and verifiable references is the entire purpose of WP:URA; citations that do not meet these criteria are both unhelpful for the reader, who can't rely on the information in the article, and detrimental to the project, because other editors need to fix them and this, at least for me, has been quite time-consuming when I could be cleaning up other articles. Please let me know if you would like any help finding high-quality references - I am more than happy to help. Best, Kazamzam (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
@Kazamzam, @PMC, At WP Reliable sources, Google maps is shown as "No consensus" for Reliable/Not reliable. So today, at Category:Orphaned articles from October 2013 I de-orphaned these two articles.
Wondering if these updates are Okay? Thanks for helping me. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 23:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
PetScan tool for orphan and unreferenced articles[edit]Hi @Kazamzam and @PMC, Recently I ran the PetScan tool for Sept. 2023 orphan articles, making a list of footballers. Then, I searched at worldfootball.net reliable source website for these players, and found very many. I did this all in bunch, so very helpful. Next I will be adding the first cite to each article, then de-orphan by adding player to YYYY in association football article, mostly Births section. Lastly, removing the orphan tag. FYI, I did update my Petscan page here for the process. It's nice to work on this, taking a break from de-tagging some of those hundreds of orphan articles. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 19:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC) Verifiability[edit]Hi again. I wanted to clarify why I reverted your edits on Troy Creek. The source you used was reliable but it did not verify any of the information in the article. At most it would have been acceptable for citing the coordinates in an infobox but it doesn't verify any of the content, i.e. about salinity and the water quality issues that are repeatedly mentioned in the article. Furthermore, sources like this involve a lot of digging around on the part of the person trying to affirm information about the topic. Especially for places that have common names, this can be an issue because there will be multiple hits. But again, the bigger issue is that the cited reference verifies almost nothing in the article. We see this a lot in other references - a passing mention of a topic in a book does not a reference make. Sourcing some of these location stubs, as @PMC demonstrated above, can be quite a lot of work and requires experience in both finding and evaluating references for their overall fitness. I would recommend trying a different topic - movies and books are both good options - if you are having difficulty finding references for these small and obscure geographic features. There's almost 119,000 articles in need of sources - plenty to go around! Please let me know if you have any questions. Kazamzam (talk) 20:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
November Articles for creation backlog drive[edit]![]() Hello JoeNMLC: WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive! You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful. Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive. Orphan article[edit]Hi Joe, hope you're doing well. I was wondering if you could help me de-orphan (un-orphan?) the article Daohugouthallus. It has a number of links but a lot of the articles where I think it is appropriate to include are not very fleshed out. It might be possible to include it on some lists but I'm hoping to make a more organic connection. If you have any suggestions, I would really appreciate it! Best, Kazamzam (talk) 14:33, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
November 2023[edit]
Review aggregator[edit]Hi. You added a {{Further}} to Review aggregator that seems out of place, particularly the phrase "the former website" which would refer to a specific website previously mentioned. I'm curious what in your opinion justifies singling out Movie Review Intelligence there. Is there something about the context that makes it more notable than, say, Metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes? --95.99.94.82 (talk) 20:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
New pages patrol January 2024 Backlog drive[edit]
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:10, 20 December 2023 (UTC) That was bad draftification, and I have reverted your move. Subject clearly passes WP:NPOL as the former member of Kyrgyzstan legislative assembly. Sources were there to verify the claims. I have added one more source from the corresponding article on Russian Wikipedia. Let me know if you have any further queries. Maliner (talk) 05:47, 17 January 2024 (UTC) I appreciate Gidonb's and your work improving and expanding the article. It's in much better shape. However, I'd appreciate you not withdrawing the AfD nomination when you're not the nominator. I've edited the page and withdrawn it myself now. Thanks, Sgubaldo (talk) 15:09, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
New page creation[edit]Hello
Just to let you know -- that wasn't me who requested a reassessment of Bertram Fletcher Robinson, I added the line below it[edit]I think you mistakenly credited that unsigned comment to me on the reassessment queue! I added the comment below it, not the unsigned Bertram Fletcher Robinson request. Apologies for any confusion!! Wasianpower (talk) 18:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Amitava Das (researcher) moved to draftspace[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Amitava Das (researcher). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it does not meet notability criteria. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while. Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Ldm1954 (talk) 00:05, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
List of given names derived from fiction[edit]Thanks for adding a link to List of given names derived from fiction from Anakin (given name). The list has been proposed for deletion, so please improve or defend it if you think it's worth it. – Fayenatic London 20:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC) PRODs[edit]Hi Joe. Regarding your PRODs of Indian villages, these names are not originally written in English but appear on Wikipedia as transliterations from various different languages, so their spellings are not consistent or uniform. It's therefore more time-consuming to track down the sources than just putting a single spelling into Google. Ingratis (talk) 09:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]I saw this edit[1] and I've reverted it. I just think that the message you're adding can be a bit long and takes up much of the page. The unreferenced tag already helps prompt editors to search for sources in various ways, and links to relevant policy. Have a good day ForksForks (talk) 20:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @ForksForks - Thanks for the feedback. There are two things I am hoping to accomplish with the notice. First, a reminder to occasional contributors of the criteria; and to help new editors just starting out with referencing. Below is a more condensed version of previous notice.
![]() | Please improve this Wikipedia article by using multiple sources that meet four criteria. The sources should be: (1) reliable, (2) secondary, (3) independent of the subject, (4) talk about the subject in some depth. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable through citations to reliable sources. Article was created on 5 March 2007. |
- On the article pages, the background changes to be white instead of the tan color on talk pages. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 21:51, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Joe, I'm not sure it's necessary or useful to create a maintenance tag that's redundant to the existing unreferenced one. If you think the current one should explain things in more detail, maybe propose that at the Village Pump proposals page and see what others think. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @PMC and @ForksForks, Today I started a feedback/discussion at WP Unreferenced articles, Discussion - criteria Ambox for unref. articles section. Also, I changed the criteria into a condensed transcluded "Ambox" instead. It's an active WikiProject so hoping for constructive advice there as well. Thanks, JoeNMLC (talk) 14:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Joe, I'm not sure it's necessary or useful to create a maintenance tag that's redundant to the existing unreferenced one. If you think the current one should explain things in more detail, maybe propose that at the Village Pump proposals page and see what others think. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi, could you please stop moving articles to draft? You're sending all kinds of articles to draft for not having sources, and every single one I've checked so far does have sources. -- asilvering (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seconding this. If any article has multiple reliable sources, it will survive AfD. Draftifying such articles is both counter-productive and against the basic rules on draftification. czar 23:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Draftification of set index articles
[edit]As an FYI, I've reversed two of your draftifications of set index articles. Your rationale for draftification was that they did not include sources, but set index articles do not need references, similarly to disambiguation pages (WP:DABREF). Hey man im josh (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Indiscriminate de-orphaning
[edit]Hello Joe. I've just removed quite a few links from articles on years in the United States that you added for de-orphaning purposes. My impression is you were not being adequately careful to make sure the links were appropriate in context, but rather were adding them merely for the sake of reducing the number of orphaned articles in the backlog. Please don't do this. It makes things worse, not better.
- The fact that an article has not received any organic links (that is, links arising from ordinary editorial activity on other articles rather than an explicit de-orphaning process) can often be a good signal that the topic isn't notable in the first place. It's usually a waste of time to de-orphan an article on a non-notable topic: by nature, there's very few articles it could be reasonably linked from, and even when you can find such an article the link is often inappropriate to include because it would give undue prominence to an insignificant subject. That's a big part of the reason I went through and removed all those links from the US articles: they pertained to companies or organisations that lacked national relevance.
- Goodhart's law very much applies to de-orphaning – if your target is simply "get the number of orphaned articles in the backlog as low as possible", it is all too easy to prioritise quantity over quality and end up adding a lot of superficial, irrelevant links instead of fewer but more relevant links, because that's what makes the number go down.
Some of these de-orphanings were from a while ago (2022) but as far as I can see no-one has ever actually talked to you about them, and you still seem quite active in de-orphaning. I think it's important to straightforwardly tell you these de-orphans made things worse so you don't do this sort of thing in the future. – Teratix ₵ 16:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Teratix - Understood, however I am a bit confused after I looked through your Contributions & picked Category:2011 in the United States at random. I see an entire section of "Undated" Events removed. So it's true that all those additions (1 from me & other editors) were non-notable? Whether orphan article or not, just not significant enough to warrant inclusion for Year 2011 Events. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 17:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- No other editors were involved, you added every link that appeared in that section at the time I removed it: Swipp, Retrofit, Philadelphia Game Lab, Community Advantage Loan, Sifuna Okwethu, and Snapette. Yes, none of these merited inclusion in a listing of nationally significant events – most probably don't even merit a Wikipedia article, which is a large factor in why they were orphaned in the first place. I cannot stress this enough: don't de-orphan articles just for the sake of it. You have to take into account whether the links you add make sense in the context of the article. These didn't. – Teratix ₵ 10:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Thanks @Cielquiparle for the recognition. While making small unref. contributions, I just keep chipping away. For a long time I've been de-orphaning articles; many for association football biographies. Recently via PetScan, I found a way to get a list of Orphan, Association football biographies + Unreferenced. That's great because for many of that select list, I find a DOB (date-of-birth) reliable source; remove Unref. tag; then add that bio. to appropriate YYYY in association football article, Births section & remove Orphan tag. It may seem complicated, but it's "doable". Cheers! JoeNMLC (talk) 17:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Article you edited nominated for deletion
[edit]This is to let you know that I nominated an article, Balsamic Moon, for deletion. The article history indicated you edited this article recently Jc3s5h (talk) 15:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)