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I saw your greeting at WikiProject Medicine. I am glad to have you here.

I also care about coding. A lot of people outside of Wikipedia talk about the article on electronic medical records, which while it is not coding might be related.

I see that you are fairly new to editing Wikipedia, even though you have been around for a long time. If it comes to happen that you want a tour in a virtual conference space of Wikipedia's health content then email me and maybe we can meet some time. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:50, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome

Hi Little pob, and thank you for your comments at Talk:Back labor, which I appreciated.

if you want to work on multiple articles in sandboxes, you can make as many sub-pages of your user space as you need:

User:Little pob/sandbox2 for example

or give them relevant names:

These can be created just by clicking those red links and typing away (or copy and paste a section from an existing article into there to work on it). Please feel free to drop me a note on my talk page if you need any help, or drop in and meet some of us socially at one of our Wikimeets in the North-west. The last Liverpool one was in August and the next Manchester one is next week, so there'll probably be another Liverpool meetup next month. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 19:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you

Thank you for your edit on Breast pain. I am glad that you put in the ICD code. Did you notice that I have two templates on the article page. The new template doesn't have any place for the codes and so I needed to use the old one. Do you know any thing about these templates and why one is used over another. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 19:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Barbara (WVS): firstly, happy to help. With regards to the templates; template:infobox medical condition is slowly being replaced by template:infobox medical condition (new) and template:medical resources. I believe there is a bot planned to sort all the template changes, so I tend to leave the extant infoboxe(s) on articles. That said there should probably be a template:deprecated template notification added to the old medical infobox that points to the two new templates. As it is WP:PINKLOCKed; I'll request this on the talk page. Little pob (talk) 12:06, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the explanation. Once I know what is going on then I can help and cooperate with the change. I've seen the template:depreciated template and didn't understand the purpose since the same information currently exists in the 'old' infobox. Thanks again and if you want to help, I have a slew of recently created articles that I need another pair of eyes to look over for similar issues. The Very Best of Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 12:19, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Medical infobox sample

Little pob, thanks for asking! I'll use dementia with Lewy bodies as one example, to demonstrate the issues. At DLB, we have parameters with information forced into the lead, and forced into the infobox, by WPMED participants, that I otherwise would not have included because they are of dubious usefulness. These include:

Specialty: Neurology and psychiatry-- this is totally true,but misses one of the most important issues in management of DLB, which is that multiple specialties must be involved. So having this parameter here is detracting.
Symptoms, we do list the five most crucial, so not too bad, although there are SO many others.
Usual onset, contains sourced information that is entirely useless to misleading. Because of the fact that MOST DLB goes undiagnosed or is missed, it is likely that the median 76 will change as diagnoses improve, and I would consider that undue in the lead ... but I (who know the literature better than anyone on Wikipedia AFAICT) am not given a full voice in that matter, since current "practices" at WPMED "require" certain things in the lead.
Duration, long-term ... not inaccurate, but not really helpful.
Causes, unknown ... not inaccurate, but not at all helpful, as we do know some things, we just don't know the precise cause.
Diagnostic method ... not inaccurate, but not really helpful, there is so much more.
Differential ... not inaccurate, but not really helpful, there is so much more.
Medication ... accurate but a whole ton of nuance is missed, as many with DLB cannot use Acheis.
Prognosis ... a REAL problem. With the new understanding about REM sleep behavior disorder, these numbers will change dramatically, and we have good literature indicating the problems with the current estimates. (And yet we use simplified non-optimal sources like the NIH to chunk dubious data into leads, that is not supported by a solid understanding of the underlying research and literature and do not convey nuance.) One can now know years or decades in advance that one will progress to a synucleinopathy. And, with a history of most cases being missed, the numbers reported are likely pessimistic ... and hence do a disservice to our readers. I would not have included a number with this kind of problems in the lead, but again, I do not have a say in that matter because of the way leads are currently mandated by a small handful of editors. Nuanced topics are better explored in the body of the article.
Frequency, ditto to above ... this number is totally useless based on the disclaimers in the underlying literature, and I would not have included it in the lead if I had a say in the matter.

So, all in all, I believe much of the infobox data is harmful, and goes against policy, but we are stuck with it, even on a Featured article. Hope this makes my concerns more understandable, as we have some across thousands of articles ... Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And by the way, we have the same problems being forced generally into WP:LEADs, which should be a summary of the most important parts of the article, but end up containing information of dubious significance because of the way a handful of WPMED participants are forcing set items into leads ... as in the infobox info above, some of this data would not be in the lead at all if we were following Wikipedia-wide guidelines, but had I not included it, I would have received opposition from some WPMED participants, so we're stuck with promulgating information of dubious relevance throughout the internet. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Use of a bot

Little pob, it saddens me to see that you plan to do a manual activity on 1,800 articles that could potentially be done by a bot. What you said at WP MED was: @Tom (LT): Unfortunately, yes manually. So as to not to just add a blank template, I'm also adding ICD-10 codes at the same time (where appropriate). Whilst the classification info could just be pulled from WD; I'm also double checking the article is using the correct medical infobox - and I'm not sure if that can be done by non-human means? Little pob (talk) 12:18, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

It seems to me there is one activity that can't really be reliable done by a bot here - using the correct infobox (unless you are just doing a simple A-->B switch)

On the other hand, medical resources box can totally by automated. I assume the algorithm you follow is this:

Check if ICD10 code on article
If on article and not on WD, add to WD
If ICD10 code present on article or in WD, insert medical resources box

If this is right, this can totally be done with a bot. I'm not sure if you're also checking for other codes at the same time (we had a few on Anatomy articles)

What's more I've had some great experiences with bot designers so that additional related tasks can be tacked on according to need, as they crop up - for example, we moved all the data to WD, then removed completely some from all infoboxes (viz. old Grey's Anatomy 1918 page numbers).

In general the way it works is we put a request at WP:BOTREQ, then a kindly developer helps us out, then they run a trial run or two, then they do the full run. Human time is so limited on WP that the discerning input humans provide should be used where the benefits are greatest. What do you think? I'm happy to help out or to proof-read a draft if you want to post there. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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tbf, WP:FACTS is about citing things that are obvious and would be rather pedantic to cite, which would be like requesting a citation specifically and explicitly stating that Vax'ildan is a player character when that's apparent. Whether something is available on a specific platform isn't necessarily pedantic or obvious enough to be covered by WP:FACTS. ~Cheers, Ten Ton Parasol 17:50, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@TenTonParasol: My edit summary was not intended to be WP:bite-y, I'm happy to apologise to the IP user if they took offence.

WP:FACTS is about citing things that are obvious and would be rather pedantic to cite That is WP:FACTS' nutshell statement; but I feel I have a more lenient POV for what counts as "obvious" than you might.

The IP user probably meant failed verification rather than "unsourced". We could speculate forever whether the editor that added Spotify thought it unlikely to be contested, or didn't realise that the reference at the end of the sentence was being used to support the platforms (thus failing WP:V).

<aside>Obviousness and pedantry is not all that WP:FACTS talks to – it also talks of over-citation too. And, in my opinion, some of our CR content has become over-cited.</aside> Little pob (talk) 13:08, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the message about correctly editing medical pages. Having lived with a particular health condition for many years, I'm afraid I became overly enthusiastic about contributing and charged in without knowing what I was doing. I appreciate your patience and the information you provided! --Fern71 (talk) 16:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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It was quite late and sometimes I just find it hard to believe what I see that presents as a rather blatant double standard on that page. I'm not above harboring my own biases but would never edit any article as such; but the manner in which this page has been handled has employed pretzel logic at best, hypocrisy at worst, and that's not ignoring that the other 'side' has made plenty of errors over the years as well. I realized after I posted that it probably seemed as though I was expressing irritation towards an editor with whom I have no quarrel whatsoever. I hope you stay engaged on the topic. NeurastheniaMilkshake (talk) 17:14, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No harm, no foul. Stepping away from the conversation was much more due to reaching my level of competency within the topic. Sorry for not explaining that clearer. Little pob (talk) 14:53, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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