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Conflict of interest in Wikipedia

Hi Moha.Ay. I spend time working on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia, along with my regular editing. I am not an administrator.

Your edits to date, especially about Majid Al Futtaim Group, are promotional and look like conflicted or paid editing.

Lots of people come to Wikipedia with some sort of conflict of interest and are not aware of how the editing community defines and manages conflict of interest. I'm giving you notice of our Conflict of Interest guideline and Terms of Use, and will have some comments and requests for you below.

Hello, Moha.Ay. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{request edit}} template);
disclose your COI when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also please note that editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.

Comments and requests

Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. Unmanaged conflicts of interest can also lead to people behaving in ways that violate our behavioral policies and cause disruption in the normal editing process. Managing conflict of interest well, also protects conflicted editors themselves - please see WP:Wikipedia is in the real world, and Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia for some guidance and stories about people who have brought bad press upon themselves through unmanaged conflict of interest editing.

As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by our WP:OUTING policy) would you please disclose if you have some connection with Majid Al Futtaim Group, directly or through a third party (e.g. a freelancing gig, a PR agency, or the like)? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a connection, please disclose it, and if you are editing for pay or the expectation of being paid, you must disclose that. After you respond (and you can just reply below), if it is relevant I can walk you through how the "peer review" part happens and then, if you like, I can provide you with some more general orientation as to how this place works. Please reply here, just below, to keep the discussion in one place. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 20:16, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Jytdog. I'm fairly new to Wikipedia and i'm learning everyday. To answer your question i'm not affiliated with this company. I try to work on company articles to better my writing and analysis skills. I'm sorry to hear that my added content felt promotional.

I'm willing to hear any suggestions you have on making it better suited for Wikipedia. In the mean time i will re-read the guidelines. Thank you Moha.Ay (talk) 22:33, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying! Quick note on the logistics of discussing things on Talk pages, which are essential for everything that happens here. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting (see WP:THREAD) - when you reply to someone, you put a colon in front of your comment, which the Wikipedia software will render into an indent when you save your edit; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons in front of your comment, which the WP software converts into two indents, and so on, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this {{od}} in front of your comment. Threading/indenting also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense.

And at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~~~~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages when you save your edit.

Indenting and signing, are how we know who said what to whom and when.

Please be aware that threading and signing are fundamental etiquette here, as basic as "please" and "thank you", and continually failing to thread and sign communicates rudeness, and eventually people may start to ignore you (see here).

I know this is unwieldy, but this is the software environment we have to work on. Will reply on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 22:54, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for replying. Your edits are aimed at the wrong thing - the content is replicating the company website and is promotional. It may be that you just misunderstand what we do here, but again, this is exactly the kind of edits that PR people make. I just want to double check this - above I wrote that it is OK to be present in Wikipedia if one is connected to the subject (for example, working as a freelancer) -- there are just some things you need to do, and lots of people come here with some conflict, and need to learn them. Many times they are afraid for some reason to engage with the process. So really -- no connection? (please pardon my asking again) Jytdog (talk) 22:59, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again for taking the time to guide me. The content, mainly my last edit, was from press releases. I have no connection with the company or a a PR firm (if that's what you're asking). Wikipedia is a spare time activity and as i said earlier, it is aimed at improving my writing and analysis skills. Moha.Ay (talk) 09:13, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for your patience. So you are aiming at the wrong thing, and have been essentially replicating company websites in Wikipedia, using company-generated material.

Our mission is to provide readers with articles that summarize accepted knowledge, so that they can learn.

Content should be generated by summarizing independent, secondary sources that are aiming to provide accepted knowledge. Our goal is to help people learn -- when writing about companies aim for something like a case study published in Harvard Business Review that discusses challenges and how the company addressed them, including its failures and successes. Along with the basic facts of their history and current business (please be careful not to give undue weight to their current businesses -- again, we are not proxies for the company website)

You might find User:Jytdog/How helpful -- I wrote that to help new users understand the editing community's mission, and the strategies through which we realize it, and it explains why we adopted those strategies. Happy to help, if you have any questions. But please stop using press releases and company websites as sources. Please aim for the mission. Jytdog (talk) 15:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. Edwardx (talk) 11:35, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SPI Notice

You are suspected of sock puppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, then, if you wish to do so, respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Moha.Ay. Thank you. SWL36 (talk) 23:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Ostrum Asset Management

The article Ostrum Asset Management has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No evidence of notability. Created by banned sockpuppet account, likely on a paid promotional basis. WP:BEFORE shows little to no RS information actually about the company to create an article from.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. David Gerard (talk) 09:45, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]