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Sharma

Can you explain me why long (a) should be used in spelling Sharma.?Nagarjuna198 (talk) 22:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I just read what you posted in my talk page. शर्मन् declines as (शर्मा शर्माणौ शर्माणः). Makes sense. Thanks man. You seem to be knowledgeable. I really appreciate it. Thanks for correcting. Nagarjuna198 (talk) 23:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Athaku Yamudu Ammayiki Mogudu

Hi, Can you review Talk:Athaku Yamudu Ammayiki Mogudu#Requested move and provide your opinion? Nagarjuna198 (talk) 09:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Ganita Kaumudi

Hi you have done a great work in Ganita Kaumudi. Your work is really appreciated. Thanks. Solomon7968 18:21, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

John Clay died 24 June 2013

Daily Telegraph and NY Times ran private obits. I received communication from a friend

Garrybl

Thanks; I've found the NY Times one and added it to the article. Sad. Shreevatsa (talk) 17:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back; a couple questions...

Hey, Shreevatsa, glad to see you're back. I've moved away from kātha lately, but in your absence I worked on List of Panchatantra Stories and List of Vetala Tales, and regretted not having your input. Perhaps when you have a minute you might look them over to see if any improvements come to mind? (I also put together a pretty full linked historical bibliography at Baital Pachisi#Recensions, editions, and translations which sort of complements the list.)

Finally, I've come to suspect a wide-ranging fallacy in references on the Panchatantra and Baital Pachisi, as related to the Brihatkatha and its progeny. At Brihatkatha you can see the handy-dandy stemma I've created for that family (which I've also pasted in to Kathasaritsagara and Bṛhatkathāślokasaṃgraha). I don't know if this is perfect, but I take the general shape to be well-established. However some (I think) relatively recent sources seem to take these tales' own creation stories more or less at face value, resulting in ideas like "Gunadhya wrote Panchatantra and Baital Pachisi", and "Durgasimha adapted part of Brihatkatha (or even Kathasaritsagara)" when his translation is clearly more closely related to the Southern Panchatantra, and in fact predated Kathasaritsagara! My first exposure (and possibly too-grumpy response) is preserved in Talk:List of Panchatantra Stories#Reviewing, and there is what I take to be a lot of BS in Durgasimha. My question is: am I missing something, or is this all as naive as it appears? If I ever get back into the kātha groove, I will begin by trying to clarify the Brihatkatha family relations (as I've begun with the stemma). Thanks for any light you can shed. And again, welcome back! Phil wink (talk) 05:33, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I haven't looked at these articles in detail yet, but at a glance, this is all wonderful work! Thanks a lot to you, and it's great there are people like you on Wikipedia. I'll look at it in detail in a while and reply sometime. Shreevatsa (talk) 18:44, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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Uttanaka

Thanks for clarification on spelt. In many of my earlier articles I used "Spelt" as per the normal usage in India but it was always changed to "spelled" (and my co-editors) by some one or the other. Any way I intruded into your user page by chance when I was trying to find sources to write on Uttanka. We are writing a fiver DYK starrting with Sarpa Satra and Uttanka was the chief advisor to Janamejaya to undertake this vengeful Yagna to kill the serpent race which was finally stopped by Astika.--Nvvchar. 14:09, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Sanskrit

Hi, saw you on my watchlist and then discovered that you too have recently returned from an extended wiki-break. If you are looking for something to do, can you keep an eye on this discussion? (Background: this revert, followed by this brief discussion). Makes me feel right at home after three years off-wiki. :-) Abecedare (talk) 07:09, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I had your talk page on my watchlist too, and was very pleased to see you back -- was going to chime in with a welcome message, but have been (pleasantly) very busy in real life.  :-) I'm off for a couple of weeks; and I'll take a look at the discussion if it's still brewing then! Cheers, Shreevatsa (talk) 07:09, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

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Weird notice; my only edit to the page is this minor one. Anyway, looking... Shreevatsa (talk) 04:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism?

What is "native of the extreme north-west of India"??? Whats wrong with the actual place name: Ghandara? Are you trolling? --Xinjao (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Please do not accuse Wikipedia editors of vandalism or trolling. I was just quoting what the cited sources say. Shreevatsa (talk) 06:23, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

(Added: Just for completeness, this is the context (also talk page section). Xinjao seems to be on a drive to remove mentions of "ancient India" (etc.) and replace it with "Ghandara" [sic]. I don't have time to deal with this right now. Shreevatsa (talk) 06:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC))

Please dont accuse me of any motives other than promoting genuine usable information on a history page. Its you in fact who seem to be on a drive to include India references everywhere remotely possible. "Ghandara" is a historic name. "Ancient extreme north west India" is not. --Xinjao (talk) 18:12, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm Arpan Mathur . Your reverting to my edits on the article Chakravala method has introduced a parsing error in "The method" section. I have fixed that error and resumed the arrows. The error was caused by the \space function put by someone. Arpan Mathur (talk) 12:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. There was no parsing error when I viewed it, but I guess there's some inconsistency between browsers and Javascript / Mathjax versions. I'm glad to know it's fine now; thanks for fixing it. Shreevatsa (talk) 13:25, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

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Recent edit on Modi article

Hi. Hope you're well. Recently, you removed sourced content in the Narendra Modi article. It was also on a controversial topic, for this and future edits on controversial topics please open a discussion on the respective talk page before unilaterally making edits. We must ensure we keep a NPOV so you can understand why we need to have a discussion. Cowlibob (talk) 09:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Sure; though I thought the statement the edit removed was such an obvious case of WP:SYNTHESIS that removing it was an obvious improvement to Wikipedia. (Besides, it's also in keeping with the practice of WP:BRD.) Your revert reminds me why I avoid editing political articles. :-) Anyway, let me move to the next stage on this one and discuss it on the talk page. Shreevatsa (talk) 09:52, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm only trying to be helpful. I hope that I haven't dissuaded you from participating in future editing of political articles but we have to be careful as it could look like, we're aiding in the whitewash of criticism in a BLP of a politician if there isn't a proper discussion first, which wouldn't be neutral. Cowlibob (talk) 10:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I think it's fine to revert if you think an edit is unwarranted. It's a good thing, and makes Wikipedia better. But it's IMO‌ unreasonable to expect all edits to be discussed first, even if they are not major, and even if they are (in at least the editor's view) unlikely to be controversial, just because the topic of the page is a controversial one: the added barrier becomes a chilling effect and indeed dissuades people from editing an article unless they're sufficiently motivated. Anyway, it's not a big deal; let me make the time for discussion and see how it goes. :-) Shreevatsa (talk) 11:56, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I've made a suggestion on the Narendra Modi talk page to hopefully resolve this issue.Cowlibob (talk) 17:29, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to apologise for reverting your original edit. I've had a rethink on your edit and agree. Leaving it more open to interpretation like your edit did is probably better than its current state. If you were to redo the edit I wouldn't oppose it. I do think the marriage issue and reasons why he didn't disclose until 2014 should be discussed but would be a better fit in the 2014 general election bit with appropriate sources/references of course. Cowlibob (talk) 17:50, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Bloom filter reversion

What's your reasoning behind this reversion? "Where" is the accepted phrasing for variable naming in math circles. "If" is used for conditions. Exercisephys (talk) 18:59, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, when used for variable names, "where" is used after the expression. For instance:

The circumference of a circle is $2\pi r$, where $r$ is the radius of the circle.

You are right that "if" is used for conditional statements, but it is also used to denote variable names:

If $r$ is the radius of a circle, its circumference is $2\pi r$.

(The rough meaning is still conditional: if we use the letter r to denote the radius, then the circumference is $2\pi r$. If we use $\lambda$ to denote the radius, then the circumference is $2\pi \lambda$. Etc.)

The kind of sentence you wrote, such as

*Where $r$ is the radius of a circle, its circumference is $2\pi r$.

is not idiomatic English, and generally not seen. It seems odd. At least that's my opinion, though I do agree that "if" is not a perfect choice either. If you're keen on this we can ask for others' opinion somewhere, e.g. Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Mathematics (because this question is not covered in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Mathematics) or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics (where more people may see it). Shreevatsa (talk) 05:14, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

By the way, another approach to the circle statement might be:

The circumference of a circle with radius $r$ is $2\pi r$.

Along similar lines, maybe for the statements in question, we could write:

For an array of m bits, the probability that a certain bit is not set...

and

With k hash functions, the probability that the bit is not set to 1 by any of the hash functions is

How about those? Shreevatsa (talk) 05:23, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Everything must end with an "a"!

Hi. As perhaps you've noticed, several edits to Baital Pachisi, beginning here have involved "correcting" names that I suspect do not need to be corrected. My sense is that someone in good faith has updated these spellings to what would be correct in his or her language or dialect, but without reference to usual English usage or to the sources of the particular statements... But I know dangerously little about Indian languages and their transcription (I just type in whatever I see in the source, regardless of how I typed it last time!). If you have some spare time, could you address this? Much obliged. Phil wink (talk) 16:57, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for pointing this out. Somehow I didn't have Baital Pachisi on my watchlist; have put it back. About the edit, it is actually correct, going by the original Sanskrit names -- the names with 'a' are what are in the original source; the 'a' is dropped in some modern Indian languages but not all (and 'a' is also not dropped in usual English conventions, at least academic ones). That's why conventionally we have articles at Rama, Shiva, Ganesha etc. rather than Ram, Shiv, Ganesh etc. as in Hindi. There's some background at Schwa deletion in Indo-Aryan languages. So we could say the former spellings in the Baital Pachisi article matched the modern pronuniciation as in many parts of India now (apt given its folk popularity), but the current spellings are correct as far as the original or academic sources go.

The best path would be to find and add more sources to the article; then we can simply echo the spellings that are in the majority of sources, and just mention the alternative spellings. Shreevatsa (talk) 17:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Chitra-kavya

Shreevatsa ji, Namaskar, - that you have appreciated my small effort is your wonderful gift to me on my return to Wikipedia after an absence of nearly two years. I pray this article stays accepted by the reviewers. I recollect you had visited Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Liberation (the Advaita Vedanta concept) on 29/04/2014 which fact I had noticed only a few days ago, also carefully noted your observation and reworked the page which I have since re-submitted for creation. Your brief but very important observation was a great help. Regards.Soni Ruchi (talk) 14:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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I'm conflicted

Hey, Shreevatsa. Brihatkatha has recently been radically reduced thus. The editor, Ashvawiki (talk · contribs) (whom I suspect to be a sock for Ashishjain190 (talk · contribs)) did so with minimal explanation and, it seems, for narrowly sectarian reasons (both accounts have received recent warnings for similar infractions). However in my view the article was previously hugely overwritten, and for the most part was really discussing Brihatkatha's descendents, Bṛhatkathāślokasaṃgraha and Kathasaritsagara since the Brihatkatha doesn't exist any more. So I grudgingly suspect that Ashvawiki's reckless decimation may actually be a modest improvement after all... except for the deletion of my magnificent dramatis personae graphic, which is easily replaced. Ultimately, what the article needs is a treatment of the likely contents of the Brihatkatha, as is provided by Donald Nelson. But so far I've been too lazy to do this myself. Naturally there's no reason you should have to resolve this, but for better or worse you're the one I come crying to for this stuff. Any wisdom? advice? Cheers. Phil wink (talk) 23:18, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I think

* Just because a story is mythical doesn't mean we shouldn't include it; it's definitely encyclopedical to say that such-and-such-a-legend exists.

* Definitely the article should contain some outline of the plot.

I think it's worth adding back content, with sources as much as possible. More later. :-) Shreevatsa (talk) 23:01, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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What article/articles is this about? Shreevatsa (talk) 19:19, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of M. D. Taseer

Hello Shreevatsa,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged M. D. Taseer for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Rider ranger47 ^Talk 21:28, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Cheryl's Birthday

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Ganpati Muni

Unable to decide whether this person is notable or not, and your input would be appreciated.
Short summary of what I have found: Ganapati Muni/ Ganapati Sastri (not to be confused with near contemporary, T. Ganapati Sastri) aka Kavyakantha is mainly known as a disciple of Ramana Maharshi and for being the one to give him that title; this IMO is not sufficient to establish notability for Ganapati Sastri although it does earn the subject numerous hits on Google Books in publications about Ramana Maharshi, including several hagiographic accounts. However, Ganapati Sastri also published some works of devotional Sanskrit poetry, eg Umasahasram] (online translation) and works listed here. What I am unable to find out yet is how many of these works were ever formally published, reviewed etc, and whether they are notable enough outside the world of Ramana Maharshi followers. Given your knowledge of this area, any insights? Abecedare (talk) 19:13, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I have definitely come across the name of this person quite a few times before, so based on just that, my impression is that he is notable. About the poetry specifically, looking at the archive.org link, the fact the book was published (and not self-published, but by a "rival" Aurobindo Ashram press), seems to indicate at least some bona-fide-ness. We should try looking for more sources, possibly in other languages? I think "kavyakantha" seems to be a unique identifier, and has several hits of Google Books including a few general-Hinduism works etc. Shreevatsa (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society

Dear Shreevatsa,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.

Best regards, Solomon7968 05:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

That was the boilerplate template message. I notice you are here since March, 2005. Congrats for your ten years on the Wiki. Solomon7968 05:28, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Wow, I'm getting old. :-) Thanks! Shreevatsa (talk) 18:34, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Panchatantra navbox

Hey, Shreevatsa. I've just created a navbox for {{Panchatantra}} (while listening to Satyagraha and drinking Darjeeling, you know, for an authentic experience). I haven't placed it on any articles yet, as I hope you'll have a chance to review and comment (and edit if you like) first. Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 15:26, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

That's great! I'll take a look and comment on the Template talk page. Regards, Shreevatsa (talk) 15:40, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Back to the Long Story

Hey, Shreevatsa. I'm tiptoeing back into Brihatkatha & Sons, which in my view currently have very bad coverage here. My latest toys are File:Gunadhya legend.svg which attempts to visually unravel the tangled web in Book 1 of Kathasaritsagara; and User:Phil wink/brihat a not-ready-for-primetime navbox. I'd appreciate any critiques that come to mind. Also, any interest in helping me attack these articles? Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 21:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

It's really great that you're working on this. I love the legend. I worry at some point some sourpuss is going to throw around terms like WP:OR, but let's hope it doesn't come to that. :-) Nitpicks: It's a bit odd to use "Sanskrit and Prākṛt"; more consistent would be either "Sanskrit and Prakrit" or "Saṃskṛta and Prākṛta". I think the Arisha Sattar in your navbox should be Arshia Sattar. Shreevatsa (talk) 17:23, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Of course you love the legend... you're in it. (I always think of your user name as code for "King of Vatsa" = "Udayana" -- it's great you're still active at this age!) I'm not too worried about OR, because I'm citing the hell out of my work (and even other people's work!) on this. What I don't know is how I'll handle someone citing any of the many sources that evidently take KSS to be identical to BK and KSS Book 1 as an historical document. Regarding nitpicks, I'm always happy for these; I try to be very precise in copying my sources, but if I slip up and don't notice it right away, I'm basically incompetent to look at a word and see that it's wrong (or that, say, it's using a different transliteration system than the next word). Phil wink (talk) 17:52, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks, I'll take a look sometime at either creating new articles or (more likely) expanding existing articles. Perhaps q:Languages of India -- there are many interesting quotes in Masica's book for example. Shreevatsa (talk) 20:04, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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Hello Shreevatsa, Thank you very much for your great contributions to Wikipedia. You have contributed to article Devanagari transliteration. Could you please take a look at this possible vandalism by an IP user 50.165.173.42 to sort this out. I have placed hidden text inside the article as a temporary measure (Hidden text). Your help is much appreciated. If you could spare some time, please say if the mistakes are due to possible vandalism, so that they can stand corrected and the temporary hidden text can be removed too. Thanks, 2know4power (talk) 04:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC).

I'll try to take a look but at first glance, looks like the page has substantially changed since I last saw it, so it may be a bit of work to understand what's going on. Shreevatsa (talk) 17:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you! Shreevatsa (talk) 17:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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See Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. We're all volunteers, trying to make the encyclopedia better. I know what I'm doing, and I've put in as much effort as I'm willing to at the moment. If you'd like to make it better instead of defacing the page and making it unreadable, I'd already left a notice at the top — a pointer to the excellent German Wikipedia article, which has abundant references. Shreevatsa (talk) 08:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, Shreevatsa. I recently stalked you a little off-wiki because... uh... I don't have a life? It occurred to me that you might possibly be interested in these 3 things:

(1) In reference to the introductory quote of your talk (about thoughts that are simultaneously obvious and genius), I immediately thought of Pope's similar, but slightly milder chestnut. I trust you're already familiar with it, but in case not:

True Wit is Nature to Advantage drest,
What oft was Thought, but ne'er so well Exprest,
Something, whose Truth convinc'd at Sight we find,
That gives us back the Image of our Mind.
—Alexander Pope: An Essay on Criticism, lines 297-300

(2) In reference to your "meter reader" (I've stolen this tongue-in-cheek nickname from George T. Wright), I once tried and failed to organize at Wikidata a universal system for encoding quantitative meters... kind of the opposite of what you're doing. My goal was to develop a system that could code and catalog the high-level structure of all quantitative meters, such that from a single "simple" code could be generated all the variations allowed in a given meter, and none that were not. My idea was to develop a catalog of "simple" meters, which could each then be parsed (in Wikipedia, it would presumably be via a template) into a complete, yet human-readable, map of legal possibilities. There probably aren't a ton of people interested both in programming and quantitative meters, so in case they might spark an idea in you or someone you know, my notes are at User:Phil wink/Quantitative scansion code. Please understand, I'm not a programmer, and these are just notes, not solutions.

(3) I expect I'm in the minority here, but I believe that articles about verse forms from non-English literatures are often well-served by including an example of the form in the original language next to a formal paraphrase that mirrors (as closely as possible) all germane formal aspects in English. If you're ever in the mood to adorn some Sanskrit verse articles (or whatever other languages you know) with such formal paraphrases, I'm happy to help. I've done this in several articles now, my proudest moments perhaps being "Chaos! Chaos!" at the bottom of Spenserian stanza, all the paraphrases in French Alexandrine, and the brief but challenging "Emerald, Ivory" in Czech alexandrine. If you don't know these languages (I certainly don't! I had help.) I must brag that, despite the formal constraints, the English texts remain literal to a shocking degree.

Hope you're well. Cheers. Phil wink (talk) 01:59, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much (and sorry for the delay)! I'm actually a bit startled that this stuff about me is apparently so easy to find (or you have infinite patience), but very pleased to hear from someone with overlapping interests; thanks for taking the time to post this message.

(1) That's a nice quote.

(2) Those notes are great, thank you! I look forward to reading them more closely and learning a lot from them; from what I've read so far they look very informative. About the comment in the section on Sanskrit on “This suggests that Sanskrit notation is in fact optimized for scanning realized verses, not the underlying metrical form” — actually the bulk of Sanskrit poetry (not counting the Anuṣṭubh and moraic metres that you mention in the section after that) is written in very strict metres where every realized verse fits an exact L/G pattern, with no anceps (except the very last syllable of a line) / catalexis / all those variations (if I understand correctly). For example, each of the 4 lines of every verse in the Śārdūlavikrīḍita metre strictly follows the pattern GGGLLGLGLLLG—GGLGGLG; any syllable out of place would be considered an error. This is possible for poets to do because the language is very flexible. In contrast I believe in most languages there's typically some variation, e.g. the dizzying amount of variation in English iambic pentameter.

(3) I strongly agree with you! In fact, not only articles on verse form that don't contain examples, or don't explain what's going on, more generally I find it annoying how many articles on Wikipedia (and elsewhere) about poets or artists don't even show anything of their poems or art. Those examples by you are very impressive; you should brag! :) I'll let you know when/if I get to working on some Sanskrit articles -- it seems hard but I've actually seen it done (amazingly), by John Brough here for the (GGGLLGLGLLLG—GGLGGLG)x4 metre I mentioned:

Flame-flower crimson Ashoka-tree, where has she gone? / Why left she this heart aflame?

No, then! Say you, you saw her not? Ah, but you lie, / Winds force your proud head to shake.

Bee-swarms, swarming aloft, alust, cluster in clouds, / Crave nectar, yet fail to swarm:

Could such bounty of blooms abound, but for her touch, / Thus rich to enflower your crown?

Hard to say the English metre exactly follows the pattern, but for anyone familiar with the Sanskrit metre they could read the English verse in something close to the same metre, and the translation (the original is on the same page) is also fairly literal. If trying to do the same for another Sanskrit metre now I know whom to ask :)

Thanks again, Shreevatsa (talk) 01:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Good to know about the strict versus loose tendencies in Sanskrit. My study was necessarily pretty shallow and, because I was trying to develop a universal system, I only concentrated on the difficult cases I saw, so I had no sense of what actual practice was like. Is this mainly a case of the earlier poets embracing a more popular aesthetic which the highly cultured kavya poets felt they had to bring to heel? On a much tinier time-scale a sort of opposite trend occurred in Elizabethan literature where, around the 1560s, the best poets were intentionally writing blank verse in a very wooden, unvaried style (evidently because, as a newish verse form and without the benefit of rime, they needed to ensure that readers and especially hearers did not mistake it for prose) -- while just a few decades later, troublemakers like Shakespeare and Webster are writing blank verse so varied that we're still arguing about what structures are being used. Here, we had to lay down the click track before we could syncopate on top of it.

I've now read Brough's introduction, and some poems. It strikes me that maybe his approach and results are similar to those of Ryder? Do you think so? I can't tell because, beyond having no Sanskrit, I've mostly only read selections of Ryder's prose, so it's hard for me to compare.

Yeah, that GGG is a killer. I'd say Brough truly pulls it off only in 2 of 4 lines, but even doing this (without sounding really affected) is an accomplishment. English uses every trick in the book to avoid "clashing stress", whereas 2, 3 ... 8 true longs in row are fine for some languages. I had a similar challenge with a Persian test case (which unfortunately, isn't used in the article) of rimed couplets going: x u – – u u – – u u – – u u – ... pretty unnatural in English. Luckily, a rather jerky movement is appropriate for the content:

Hair a right mess, in a haze, sweltering, lips smiling, and pissed,

Shirt in new tatters with brash singing of songs, flagon in fist

Cheers Phil wink (talk) 16:15, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Stereotypes of animals

Hi, in this revision you added several footnotes (eg Olivelle p. 29, Törzsök p. 41.), but you did not provide the details of sources. Please fix it. Staszek Lem (talk) 07:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out; looks like I forgot to add the names of the books. Fortunately in the edit summary I had mentioned they're on the talk page, and indeed they're there. Just now added them, nearly 10 years later. I may have forgotten how to reference books, so please fix if necessary. :-) Regards, Shreevatsa (talk) 07:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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Hi. I noticed your involvement with this article (unlike the very new editor trying to speedy it as spam). Are you able to add some sources to it? it's a bit beyond me, although I'll look. Ingratis (talk) 23:00, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Great - thanks! Ingratis (talk) 23:50, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I couldn't reply earlier — actually I don't know much about the topic either, just know enough about music and/or have encountered the term enough times, to know it's an important topic/term. I was also surprised by the strange choice of deletion tag, so just added whatever I could. Someone who knows better will hopefully add more info with references. Shreevatsa (talk) 03:22, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I was really glad of the help! thanks again. In the meantime sadly another newby has decided to have a go at the article, and removed most of the content, but it can be worked up again at some later date.10:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Adding the author name who has done extensive research is important

The person Sastha aravind has done extensive research and the book is published. So it is better to cute someone's book which is verifiable. This has to be added.

I am not sure if people would be able to connect to Guru swamy Vishwanath sharma alone, still u want to add.. U can retain it. But do not remove the author of shastha vijayam name. Vasudharini (talk) 19:07, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I think this comment is about this edit which I reverted. Sure, I think it should be ok to add a new reference, but please use grammatical English and punctuation. I suggest adding the book as a reference under “further reading” (with proper information including publisher and year of publication), rather than use vague language in the body text. If the book has useful information that can be added to the article, please add that information to the article, citing that book (instead of adding text to the article about the book). I'll be happy to help if you have more details. Regards, Shreevatsa (talk) 19:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Maha Sastha vijayam was published in the year 2009,the authors name is V Aravind Subramanyam.

The Wikimedia commons, which has a "The Hindu Article" Authoring the first purana, this is referring this book.

The 108 shastha temples, is from the blog page of the above mentioned author.

Sorry about the punctuation and grammer, I'll be careful next time. Vasudharini (talk) 19:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50704229-shri-maha-sastha-vijayam Vasudharini (talk) 19:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, sounds good, looks like there's some copyright problem with some sections of the Wikipedia article that had been copied from somewhere else earlier; after that has been cleared up and things have settled down, may be a good time to add this new book under "Further Reading". The fact that there's a The Hindu article about the book helps. Shreevatsa (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, I am User:Bookku, On Wikipedia I engage in, finding information and knowledge gap areas in Wikipedia and promoting expansion of related drafts and articles. Came across your user profile (from article history Raghuvaṃśa) .

• General Help: Requesting your visit to User:Bookku/Indian sceptre and help expand the topic areas if you find topic interesting.

• Specific help: A mention in The Hindu news report says, "..rajdanda or dharmadanda .. finds mention in Kalidasa’s epic poem Raghuvamsa, which narrates the story of the Raghu dynasty from Dilipa to Ram, .. When Dilipa moved to the forest after embracing asceticism, he passed on the symbols of power to his son Raghu and the rajdanda was one of them, ..". Looking for help in confirming the same with credible primary and/or secondary sources

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Thanks and warm regards Bookku (talk) 17:12, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Greetings! Dilipa handing over the kingdom to his son Raghu occurs at the end of the third sarga of the Raghuvamsha, and in the text at https://sanskritdocuments.org/sites/giirvaani/giirvaani/rv/sargas/03_rv.htm this is only the last verse… which does not mention daṇda AFAICT. Will look into commentaries etc and check. Shreevatsa (talk) 21:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The standard Mallinātha commentary (last couple of pages here, for instance) also doesn't mention anything about any daṇḍa; the verse just says that Dilīpa gave the royal symbol, the white parasol (umbrella), to his son Raghu, and with his wife instead took refuge in the shade of the trees of the munis' forests (as was the custom of the dynasty). So no daṇḍa here. (Though of course the rāja-daṇḍa occurs throughout Sanskrit literature and even elsewhere in Kālidāsa…) Shreevatsa (talk) 00:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Shreevatsa, good evening. I saw that you reverted my edits. I wanted to know what was incorrect. Since the Marathi language has got classical status, in the official documents it has been approved by the Indian Ministry of Culture that Gaha Sattasai is indeed a Marathi poem in the ancient form. Here is the link to it https://pib.gov.in/FeaturesDeatils.aspx?NoteId=153318&ModuleId+=+2&reg=3&lang=1 Rightmostdoor6 (talk) 20:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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