Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moglix

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 10:57, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Moglix

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company with no-notability. Coverage are mere Press for being funded. nothing to add. Article is created for mere promotions and nothing else. Light2021 (talk) 22:09, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Needs cleanup and there are a ton of crap sources out there, but there are also good ones such as in Entrepreneur (written by staff writer) and Times of India.--CNMall41 (talk) 22:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Entrepreneur article is as questionable as the Credibility of "YourStory", "The Next Web", "Make use of" or similar to others (Recently got deleted and Wikipedia blocked them for questionable spam). It is written by their staff, but only about funding and influenced by company. Entrepreneur India is not even a certified and credible journalistic media. It is more like a blog. As recently deleted Dehlivery and on other Indian startups, they have nothing to talk about except funding news. Where it is obvious it is press coverage for any startup, which get funded by investors. It does not make such startup Encyclopedia notable. Not at this time. Probably in future they can. So what's the hurry? Light2021 (talk) 20:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as both listed links here are still advertising, literally coming from either the company's or the man's own words and sentences, so none of that is actually independent or substantial, as it is we have in fact established consensus that Indian news media is notoriously "pay-for news" therefore cannot be confidently acceptable; also, the entire article itself is simply advertising what there is to say about the company and services, none of it is actually convincing and the damningly blatant history of several advertising-only accounts emphasize this, therefore we never compromise with such advertising. SwisterTwister talk 23:54, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So you are questioning the tone of the sources? Not sure how that works. I understand attacking the tone of a page, but the news organizations that write about them? The Entrepreneur piece is written by a staff writer. It is not a paid or sponsored article. Even if it is pr driven - which is the majority of the news you read as pr firms constantly pitch stories to the media - the publication is known for its fact checking and this is an actual staff writer, not a contributor. Finally, you talk about promotion here as you have in many other delete !votes related to the nominator. I am wondering if you can point out the specific area(s) of this page that contains promotional wording. I am curious about the specific wording you find promotional. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:00, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please be specific about parts having promotional or advertising content. And as far as news agencies are concerned, they work "pay-for news" in any part of the world let alone India. Also, I think we cannot be certain that those facts are fake which are mentioned in the given references. --anilkumatpatel (talk) 17:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Recent change made by new user for removing AfD: User talk:103.16.29.142. Company influenced motive for sure.Light2021 (talk) 18:28, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

: Note Barnstar is given by Anilkumatpatel (talk) and in return asking reason for AfD for this one. I do not know, it is relative or not. just putting notes here. Thanks. Light2021 (talk) 18:31, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as corporate spam; here's just the lead excerpts:

It has partnered with manufacturers and authorized distributors in India, China and other Asian countries.[1] It currently deals in 21+ industrial categories and has about 1,000 sellers on its marketplace.[2] Etc. Etc.

No value to the project. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:30, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep Lots of coverage from sources that fall under WP:RS, though several of them smell a bit like PR despite not being labeled as such. However, the profile in Entrepeneuer India is enough for it to squeak by. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:02, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your week keep smells like something you want to keep only because I nominated it. Your assessment lacks the research. Entrepreneur India is not a Journalistic credible platform. Any blog writer or affiliated one can write about anything for that matter. No different than deleted The Next Web or Your Story. Your Weak Keep only exist for Vote sake. We are not building a Corporate Directory. No value is added to Encyclopedia. Only promotions. Non-notable even in their own industry. Light2021 (talk) 14:10, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As usual, your comments after every !vote are (1) unhelpful and (2) make no sense. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:13, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As usual complete denial and Lacks the intellectual assessment from your ends. You seriously need to read these article. Highly Recommended. I think You have never read them. It will make sense. If my English is not understood by you. This article Lacks every Encyclopedia standard possible created by Wikipedia.

Few more if you need to enhance your knowledge or my criteria of assessment. Do not make comment as Keep without assessing or passing Every article for Wikipedia. We are filled with such Directory and Corporate non-sesne Already. Thanks. Light2021 (talk) 14:21, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Jejani, Abhishek (2016-10-16). "Moglix: Using tech to disrupt distribution". Business Standard. Archived from the original on 2016-11-07. Retrieved 2016-11-07.
  The article notes:
  
  mall and large enterprises have to procure industrial products from 100s of suppliers. Moglix, a business-to-business (B2B) e-commerce start-up, is trying to use technology to disrupt the traditional distribution channels for industrial products.
  Recently, the B2B start-up which specialises in procurement of industrial products such as fasteners and industrial electricals, raised $4.2 million (Rs 28 crore) in a Series-A round of funding, led by Accel Partners, Jungle Ventures and SeedPlus. It had also raised $1.5 million (Rs 10 crore) in November last year in the pre-Series-A round from Accel Partners and Jungle Ventures. Ratan Tata also invested in the start-up in February.
  Founded in August 2015 by Rahul Garg, the start-up caters to around 20,000 small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) and 100 large manufacturing houses through its platform. It has also partnered with manufacturers and distributors from China and Taiwan.
2. Nair, Sulekha (2016-02-08). "Ratan Tata's 6th investment in 2016 is B2B platform Moglix; founder Rahul Garg 'extremely pleased'". Firstpost. Archived from the original on 2016-11-07. Retrieved 2016-11-07.
  The article notes:
  
  Founded in August 2015 by former Googler Rahul Garg, Moglix is focused on technologically disrupting the B2B industrial products space for suppliers and buyers across the globe. It specialises in B2B procurement of industrial products such as MRO, fasteners and industrial electricals.
  ...
  Moglix recently raised pre-Series A funding from Accel Partners and Jungle Ventures and the funds are being used to enhance the technology platform, build a deep supplier base as well as increase marketing spends across Asia.
  With its pre-Series A funds, the start-up was able to raise its core team from just two members -- Garg and his head of business operations, to a team of 7. It also strengthened its tech platform, says Garg.
  ...
  Moglix has a client base of 100+ companies in the manufacturing sector. These companies typically have a turnover ranging from Rs 50 crore to Rs 1,000 crore.
3. Avvannavar, Umesh M (2016-09-25). "Moglix plans to expand its footprint". Deccan Herald. Archived from the original on 2016-11-07. Retrieved 2016-11-07.
  The article notes:
  
  Moglix, an ecommerce company specialising in B2B procurement of industrial products, plans to expand its footprint.
  ...
  Founded in 2015, Moglix has been backed by VCs and industry leaders. ...
  The company specialises in B2B procurement of industrial products such as MRO, Fasteners, and Industrial Electricals. In order to cater to these requirements, Moglix has partnered with manufacturers and distributors across these categories and is working with several large manufacturing companies to completely transform the business-buying.
4. Banerjee, Sneha (2016-10-04). "Know What Goes Behind Getting 28 Crores As Funds". Entrepreneur. Archived from the original on 2016-11-07. Retrieved 2016-11-07.
  The article notes:
  
  When ex-Google employee Rahul Garg, conceptualized his startup in late 2014, he realized that the global trade of products was still operating in the old fashion, while the internet/ mobile, had led to democratization of the services and mobile app and advertising ecosystem.
  His startup Moglix, is a B2B e-commerce platform, which specializes in B2B procurement of industrial products such as MROs, power tools, fasteners, electrical devices, industrial lubricants.
  ...
  The Firm today announced that it has raised INR 28 crores in Series A round of funding led by Accel Partners with participation from Jungle Ventures and SeedPlus. Moglix has raised Pre-Series A funding from Accel Partners and Jungle Ventures in October 2015 and an undisclosed financial investment in the company by Ratan Tata in February 2016.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Moglix to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 05:45, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You only need to cite references. No need to write. That is issue with coverage on media. That is why it is here on the first place. Please keep it short, not fill the whole Afd with writing published on news. It makes it lengthily with no reasons. You are doing same thing on every Afd. You are citing all kind of sources and writing them here. We all read them what is written there already. These all are Press or news about funding. and you are making or Keep vote based on that. where this is the major issue with such articles on wikipedia. Thanks. Light2021 (talk) 05:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment and analysis - The Delete nomination and comments here have evaluated and established that this is only existing as an advertisement and nothing else, and noticing the links above, it confirms it. See: "Moglix, a business-to-business (B2B) e-commerce start-up, is trying to use....The company, which specialises in....has funding.... the start-up caters to around 20,000 small and medium-sized enterprises....It has partnered with....", " Rahul Garg, conceptualized his startup in late 2014, he realized....His start company, which specialises in....", "The Firm today announced that it has funding", "Moglix specialising in....The company specialises in" (literally within sentences and words of each other followed by "The company has been backed by....", "The company was able to get funding", "Moglix has a client base"

Every single damn source contains what the company itself published therefore none of it is actually substantial, independent or genuine news, if it's all advertising, and that's something only the company cares to know because it's the only one who would knows the company's plans and funding partnerships. Literally nothing else ever went apart from the company either having the founder advertise himself and the company or the company itself stating its business plans, funding partnerships, services, how to contact them, etc. When we start acknowledging such advertisements, we're saving ourselves from damages, but if we are not acknowledging blatancy, we're damning ourselves as have the listed sources above by literally succumbing themselves to publishing advertisements. Notice how I earlier also stated the sheer fact advertising-only accounts and company-initiated accounts were involved with this one article therefore, not only is it emphasizing advertising when all available sources are literally republished advertisements, it's worse if no one cares to either acknowledge and fix such blatancies by deleting. SwisterTwister talk 07:42, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article needs a lot editing to make it encyclopedic and to conform it more closely with WP:NPOV. It's not very good right now. That, however, is not a reason to delete it, at least not where the subject has been garnered significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources. Please note, the test is not whether the sources currently appear in the article; the test is whether they exist. User:Cunard has demonstrated pretty conclusively that they do. David in DC (talk) 15:23, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

None of that is actually significant, substantial or independent based from my explicitly highlighted sections above showing the quotes from those links are literally republished advertising, which focuses at the company and its own services. Also, when an entire article is still founded with advertising and the sources are, that's not going to fix anything because, given everything, it's all still an advertisement; for example, if the sources are removed, the advertised information stays, and if vice versa, that stays also. Therefore the solution is to delete altogether, especially since we never compromise with such blatancy and also given the fact this was literally contributed to by massive advertising-only accounts. SwisterTwister talk 21:10, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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