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Use gmtime_r() and localtime_r() instead of gmtime() and localtime(),
for thread-safety.
There are a few affected calls in libpq and ecpg's libpgtypes, which
are probably effectively bugs, because those libraries already claim
to be thread-safe.
There is one affected call in the backend. Most of the backend
otherwise uses the custom functions pg_gmtime() and pg_localtime(),
which are implemented differently.
While we're here, change the call in the backend to gmtime*() instead
of localtime*(), since for that use time zone behavior is irrelevant,
and this side-steps any questions about when time zones are
initialized by localtime_r() vs localtime().
Portability: gmtime_r() and localtime_r() are in POSIX but are not
available on Windows. Windows has functions gmtime_s() and
localtime_s() that can fulfill the same purpose, so we add some small
wrappers around them. (Note that these *_s() functions are also
different from the *_s() functions in the bounds-checking extension of
C11. We are not using those here.)
On MinGW, you can get the POSIX-style *_r() functions by defining
_POSIX_C_SOURCE appropriately before including <time.h>. This leads
to a conflict at least in plpython because apparently _POSIX_C_SOURCE
gets defined in some header there, and then our replacement
definitions conflict with the system definitions. To avoid that sort
of thing, we now always define _POSIX_C_SOURCE on MinGW and use the
POSIX-style functions here.
Reviewed-by: Stepan Neretin <sncfmgg@gmail.com>
Reviewed-by: Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
Reviewed-by: Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@gmail.com>
Discussion: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/eba1dc75-298e-4c46-8869-48ba8aad7d70@eisentraut.org
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There isn't a lot of user demand for AIX support, we have a bunch of
hacks to work around AIX-specific compiler bugs and idiosyncrasies,
and no one has stepped up to the plate to properly maintain it.
Remove support for AIX to get rid of that maintenance overhead. It's
still supported for stable versions.
The acute issue that triggered this decision was that after commit
8af2565248, the AIX buildfarm members have been hitting this
assertion:
TRAP: failed Assert("(uintptr_t) buffer == TYPEALIGN(PG_IO_ALIGN_SIZE, buffer)"), File: "md.c", Line: 472, PID: 2949728
Apperently the "pg_attribute_aligned(a)" attribute doesn't work on AIX
for values larger than PG_IO_ALIGN_SIZE, for a static const variable.
That could be worked around, but we decided to just drop the AIX support
instead.
Discussion: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20240224172345.32@rfd.leadboat.com
Reviewed-by: Andres Freund, Noah Misch, Thomas Munro
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Testing on CI showed that Cygwin's semctl() can fail with EAGAIN
(possibly due to resource limits in cygserver that could be tuned, not
examined). Switch to so-called POSIX semaphores instead, which don't
seem to fail in that way (possibly due to a more direct implementation
using Windows semaphore primitives instead of talking to cygserver,
based on a cursory glance at the source).
Other known problems still prevent PostgreSQL from running on Cygwin
without random crashes, but this rarer problem was noticed while
testing.
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/CA%2BhUKG%2BQ6DU4Ov9LrvUyDcF3oHS4KMRVSKmVGaeePq-kOyG9gA%40mail.gmail.com
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The sysroot determination is fairly complex and will soon also be needed when
building with meson. Instead of duplicating the logic, move it to a dedicated
shell script invoked both by configure and meson.
Reviewed-by: Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@enterprisedb.com>
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/2180a97c-c026-1b6c-cec8-d6e499f97017@enterprisedb.com
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The default of lazy symbol resolution means that when the postmaster
first reaches the select() call in ServerLoop, it'll need to resolve
the link to that libc entry point. NetBSD's dynamic loader takes
an internal lock while doing that, and if a signal interrupts the
operation then there is a risk of self-deadlock should the signal
handler do anything that requires that lock, as several of the
postmaster signal handlers do. The window for this is pretty narrow,
and timing considerations make it unlikely that a signal would arrive
right then anyway. But it's semi-repeatable on slow single-CPU
machines, and in principle the race could happen with any hardware.
The least messy solution to this is to force binding of dynamic
symbols at postmaster start, using the "-z now" linker option.
While we're at it, also use "-z relro" so as to provide a small
security gain.
It's not entirely clear whether any other platforms share this
issue, but for now we'll assume it's NetBSD-specific. (We might
later try to use "-z now" on more platforms for performance
reasons, but that would not likely be something to back-patch.)
Report and patch by me; the idea to fix it this way is from
Andres Freund.
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/3384826.1661802235@sss.pgh.pa.us
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Reviewed-By: Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@gmail.com>
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/20220807012914.ydz73yte6j3coulo@awork3.anarazel.de
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HP-UX hardware is no longer produced, build farm coverage recently
ended, and there are no known active maintainers targeting this OS.
Since there is a major rewrite of the build system in the pipeline for
PostgreSQL 16, and that requires development, testing and maintainance
for each OS and tool chain, it seems like a good time to drop support
for:
* HP-UX, the operating system.
* HP aCC, the HP-UX native compiler.
Reviewed-by: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Reviewed-by: Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Reviewed-by: Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@enterprisedb.com>
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/1415825.1656893299%40sss.pgh.pa.us
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macOS has traditionally used extension .dylib for shared libraries
(used at build time) and .so for dynamically loaded modules (used by
dlopen()). This complicates the build system a bit. Also, Meson uses
.dylib for both, so it would be worth unifying this in order to be
able to get equal build output.
There doesn't appear to be any reason to use any particular extension
for dlopened modules, since dlopen() will accept anything and
PostgreSQL is well-factored to be able to deal with any extension.
Other software packages that I have handy appear to be about 50/50
split on which extension they use for their plugins. So it seems
possible to change this safely.
Discussion: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/bcc45f78-e3c3-8fb3-7c42-5371b48b5266%40enterprisedb.com
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Move DLSUFFIX from makefiles into header files for all platforms.
Move the DLSUFFIX assignment from src/makefiles/ to src/templates/,
have configure read it, and then substitute it into Makefile.global
and pg_config.h. This avoids the need for all makefile rules that
need it to locally set CPPFLAGS. It also resolves an inconsistent
setup between the two Windows build systems.
Reviewed-by: Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Discussion: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/2f9861fb-8969-9005-7518-b8e60f2bead9@enterprisedb.com
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It emerges that in some phases of the moon (perhaps to do with
directory entry order?), xcrun will report that the SDK path is
/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk
which is normally a symlink to a version-numbered sibling directory.
Our heuristic to skip non-version-numbered pathnames was rejecting
that, which is the wrong thing to do. We'd still like to end up
with a version-numbered PG_SYSROOT value, but we can have that by
dereferencing the symlink.
Like the previous fix, back-patch to all supported versions.
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/522433.1611089678@sss.pgh.pa.us
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In cases where Xcode is newer than the underlying macOS version,
asking xcodebuild for the SDK path will produce a pointer to the
SDK shipped with Xcode, which may end up building code that does
not work on the underlying macOS version. It appears that in
such cases, xcodebuild's answer also fails to match the default
behavior of Apple's compiler: assuming one has installed Xcode's
"command line tools", there will be an SDK for the OS's own version
in /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools, and the compiler will
default to using that. This is all pretty poorly documented,
but experimentation suggests that "xcrun --show-sdk-path" gives
the sysroot path that the compiler is actually using, at least
in some cases. Hence, try that first, but revert to xcodebuild
if xcrun fails (in very old Xcode, it is missing or lacks the
--show-sdk-path switch).
Also, "xcrun --show-sdk-path" may give a path that is valid but lacks
any OS version identifier. We don't really want that, since most
of the motivation for wiring -isysroot into the build flags at all
is to ensure that all parts of a PG installation are built against
the same SDK, even when considering extensions built later and/or on
a different machine. Insist on finding "N.N" in the directory name
before accepting the result. (Adding "--sdk macosx" to the xcrun
call seems to produce the same answer as xcodebuild, but usually
more quickly because it's cached, so we also try that as a fallback.)
The core reason why we don't want to use Xcode's default SDK in cases
like this is that Apple's technology for introducing new syscalls
does not play nice with Autoconf: for example, configure will think
that preadv/pwritev exist when using a Big Sur SDK, even when building
on an older macOS version where they don't exist. It'd be nice to
have a better solution to that problem, but this patch doesn't attempt
to fix that.
Per report from Sergey Shinderuk. Back-patch to all supported versions.
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/ed3b8e5d-0da8-6ebd-fd1c-e0ac80a4b204@postgrespro.ru
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We previously put the -isysroot switch only into CPPFLAGS, theorizing
that it was only needed to find the right copies of include files.
However, it seems that we also need to use it while linking programs,
to find the right stub ".tbd" files for libraries. We got away
without that up to now, but apparently that was mostly luck. It may
also be that failures are only observed when the Xcode version is
noticeably out of sync with the host macOS version; the case that's
prompting action right now is that builds fail when using latest Xcode
(12.2) on macOS Catalina, even though it's fine on Big Sur.
Hence, add -isysroot to LDFLAGS as well. (It seems that the more
common practice is to put it in CFLAGS, whence it'd be included at
both compile and link steps. However, we can't mess with CFLAGS in
the platform template file without confusing configure's logic for
choosing default CFLAGS.)
This should be back-patched, but first let's see if the buildfarm
likes it on HEAD.
Report and patch by James Hilliard (some cosmetic mods by me)
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/20201120003314.20560-1-james.hilliard1@gmail.com
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You can't compile thread_test alone anymore, and the location moved too.
Reported-by: Tom Lane
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/1062278.1603819969@sss.pgh.pa.us
Backpatch-through: 9.5
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_GNU_SOURCE is required to get the prototype, so just define that
globally, as was already done in the linux template.
Discussion: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/6b467edc-4018-521f-ab18-171f098557ca%402ndquadrant.com
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Move the platform-dependent logic that sets CFLAGS_SL from
src/makefiles/Makefile.foo to src/template/foo, so that the value
is determined at configure time and thus is available while running
configure's tests.
On a couple of platforms this might save a few microseconds of build
time by eliminating a test that make otherwise has to do over and over.
Otherwise it's pretty much a wash for build purposes; in particular,
this makes no difference to anyone who might be overriding CFLAGS_SL
via a make option.
This patch in itself does nothing with the value and thus should not
change any behavior, though you'll probably have to re-run configure
to get a correctly updated Makefile.global. We'll use the new
configure variable in a follow-on patch.
Per gripe from Kyotaro Horiguchi. Back-patch to all supported branches,
because the follow-on patch is a portability bug fix.
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/20191010.144533.263180400.horikyota.ntt@gmail.com
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With xlc v16.1.0, it causes internal compiler errors. With xlc versions
not exhibiting that bug, removing -qsrcmsg merely changes the compiler
error reporting format. Back-patch to 9.4 (all supported versions).
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/20191003064105.GA3955242@rfd.leadboat.com
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The solution arrived at in commit e74dd00f5 presumes that the compiler
has a suitable default -isysroot setting ... but further experience
shows that in many combinations of macOS version, XCode version, Xcode
command line tools version, and phase of the moon, Apple's compiler
will *not* supply a default -isysroot value.
We could potentially go back to the approach used in commit 68fc227dd,
but I don't have a lot of faith in the reliability or life expectancy of
that either. Let's just revert to the approach already shipped in 11.0,
namely specifying an -isysroot switch globally. As a partial response to
the concerns raised by Jakob Egger, adjust the contents of Makefile.global
to look like
CPPFLAGS = -isysroot $(PG_SYSROOT) ...
PG_SYSROOT = /path/to/sysroot
This allows overriding the sysroot path at build time in a relatively
painless way.
Add documentation to installation.sgml about how to use the PG_SYSROOT
option. I also took the opportunity to document how to work around
macOS's "System Integrity Protection" feature.
As before, back-patch to all supported versions.
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/20840.1537850987@sss.pgh.pa.us
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To avoid the sorts of problems complained of by Jakob Egger, it'd be
best if configure didn't emit any references to the sysroot path at all.
In the case of PL/Tcl, we can do that just by keeping our hands off the
TCL_INCLUDE_SPEC string altogether. In the case of PL/Perl, we need to
substitute -iwithsysroot for -I in the compile commands, which is easily
handled if we change to using a configure output variable that includes
the switch not only the directory name. Since PL/Tcl and PL/Python
already do it like that, this seems like good consistency cleanup anyway.
Hence, this replaces the advice given to Perl-related extensions in commit
5e2217131; instead of writing "-I$(perl_archlibexp)/CORE", they should
just write "$(perl_includespec)". (The old way continues to work, but not
on recent macOS.)
It's still the case that configure needs to be aware of the sysroot
path internally, but that's cleaner than what we had before.
As before, back-patch to all supported versions.
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/20840.1537850987@sss.pgh.pa.us
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Rethink the solution applied in commit 5e2217131 to get PL/Tcl to
build on macOS Mojave. I feared that adding -isysroot globally might
have undesirable consequences, and sure enough Jakob Egger reported
one: it complicates building extensions with a different Xcode version
than was used for the core server. (I find that a risky proposition
in general, but apparently it works most of the time, so we shouldn't
break it if we don't have to.)
We'd already adopted the solution for PL/Perl of inserting the sysroot
path directly into the -I switches used to find Perl's headers, and we
can do the same thing for PL/Tcl by changing the -iwithsysroot switch
that Apple's tclConfig.sh reports. This restricts the risks to PL/Perl
and PL/Tcl themselves and directly-dependent extensions, which is a lot
more pleasing in general than a global -isysroot switch.
Along the way, tighten the test to see if we need to inject the sysroot
path into $perl_includedir, as I'd speculated about upthread but not
gotten round to doing.
As before, back-patch to all supported versions.
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/20840.1537850987@sss.pgh.pa.us
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Apple's latest rearrangements of the system-supplied headers have broken
building of PL/Perl and PL/Tcl. The only practical way to fix PL/Tcl is to
start using the "-isysroot" compiler flag to point to SDK-supplied headers,
as Apple expects. We must also start distinguishing where to find Perl's
headers from where to find its shared library; but that seems like good
cleanup anyway.
Extensions that formerly did something like -I$(perl_archlibexp)/CORE
should now do -I$(perl_includedir)/CORE instead. perl_archlibexp
is still the place to look for libperl.so, though.
If for some reason you don't like the default -isysroot setting, you can
override that by setting PG_SYSROOT in configure's arguments. I don't
currently think people would need to do so, unless maybe for cross-version
build purposes.
In addition, teach configure where to find tclConfig.sh. Our traditional
method of searching $auto_path hasn't worked for the last couple of macOS
releases, and it now seems clear that Apple's not going to change that.
The workaround of manually specifying --with-tclconfig was annoying
already, but Mojave's made it a lot more so because the sysroot path now
has to be included as well. Let's just wire the knowledge into configure
instead. To avoid breaking builds against non-default Tcl installations
(e.g. MacPorts) wherein the $auto_path method probably still works,
arrange to try the additional case only after all else has failed.
Back-patch to all supported versions, since at least the buildfarm
cares about that. The changes are set up to not do anything on macOS
releases that are old enough to not have functional sysroot trees.
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Previously, pgbench always used select(2) for this purpose, but that's
problematic for very high client counts, because select() can't deal
with file descriptor numbers larger than FD_SETSIZE. It's pretty common
for that to be only 1024 or so, whereas modern OSes can allow many more
open files than that. Using poll(2) would surmount that problem, but it
creates another one: poll()'s timeout resolution is only 1ms, which is
poor enough to cause problems with --rate specifications approaching or
exceeding 1K TPS.
On platforms that have ppoll(2), which includes Linux and recent
FreeBSD, we can use that to avoid the FD_SETSIZE problem without any
loss of timeout resolution. Hence, add configure logic to test for
ppoll(), and use it if available.
This patch introduces an abstraction layer into pgbench that could
be extended to support other kernel event-wait APIs such as kevents.
But actually adding such support is a matter for some future patch.
Doug Rady, reviewed by Robert Haas and Fabien Coelho, and whacked around
a good bit more by me
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/23D017C9-81B7-484D-8490-FD94DEC4DF59@amazon.com
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Per buildfarm animal Hornet and followup manual testing by Noah Misch,
it appears xlc miscompiles code using "restrict" in at least some
cases. Allow disabling restrict usage with FORCE_DISABLE_RESTRICT=yes
in template files, and do so for aix/xlc.
Author: Andres Freund and Tom Lane
Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/1820.1507918762@sss.pgh.pa.us
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SCO OpenServer and SCO UnixWare are more or less dead platforms.
We have never had a buildfarm member testing the "sco" port, and
the last "unixware" member was last heard from in 2012, so it's
fair to doubt that the code even compiles anymore on either one.
Remove both ports. We can always undo this if someone shows up
with an interest in maintaining and testing these platforms.
Discussion: <17177.1476136994@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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We've had support for using unnamed POSIX semaphores instead of System V
semaphores for quite some time, but it was not used by default on any
platform. Since many systems have rather small limits on the number of
SysV semaphores allowed, it seems desirable to switch to POSIX semaphores
where they're available and don't create performance or kernel resource
problems. Experimentation by me shows that unnamed POSIX semaphores
are at least as good as SysV semaphores on Linux, and we previously had
a report from Maksym Sobolyev that FreeBSD is significantly worse with
SysV semaphores than POSIX ones. So adjust those two platforms to use
unnamed POSIX semaphores, if configure can find the necessary library
functions. If this goes well, we may switch other platforms as well,
but it would be advisable to test them individually first.
It's not currently contemplated that we'd encourage users to select
a semaphore API for themselves, but anyone who wants to experiment
can add PREFERRED_SEMAPHORES=UNNAMED_POSIX (or NAMED_POSIX, or SYSV)
to their configure command line to do so.
I also tweaked configure to report which API it's selected, mainly
so that we can tell that from buildfarm reports.
I did not touch the user documentation's discussion about semaphores;
that will need some adjustment once the dust settles.
Discussion: <8536.1475704230@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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We weren't terribly consistent about whether to call Apple's OS "OS X"
or "Mac OS X", and the former is probably confusing to people who aren't
Apple users. Now that Apple has rebranded it "macOS", follow their lead
to establish a consistent naming pattern. Also, avoid the use of the
ancient project name "Darwin", except as the port code name which does not
seem desirable to change. (In short, this patch touches documentation and
comments, but no actual code.)
I didn't touch contrib/start-scripts/osx/, either. I suspect those are
obsolete and due for a rewrite, anyway.
I dithered about whether to apply this edit to old release notes, but
those were responsible for quite a lot of the inconsistencies, so I ended
up changing them too. Anyway, Apple's being ahistorical about this,
so why shouldn't we be?
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In de6fd1c8 I moved the the work around from 53f73879 into the aix
template. The previous location was removed in the former commit, and I
thought that it would be nice to emit a warning when running configure.
That didn't turn out to work because at the point the template is
included we don't know whether we're compiling a 32/64 bit binary and
it's possible to install compilers for both on a 64 bit kernel/OS.
So go back to a less ambitious approach and define
PG_FORCE_DISABLE_INLINE in port/aix.h, without emitting a warning. We
could try a more fancy approach, but it doesn't seem worth it.
This requires moving the check for PG_FORCE_DISABLE_INLINE in c.h to
after including the system headers included from therein which isn't
perfect, as it seems slightly more robust to include all system headers
in a similar environment. Oh well.
Discussion: 20150807132000.GC13310@awork2.anarazel.de
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Per buildfarm members mandrill and hornet.
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So far we have worked around the fact that some very old compilers do
not support 'inline' functions by only using inline functions
conditionally (or not at all). Since such compilers are very rare by
now, we have decided to rely on inline functions from 9.6 onwards.
To avoid breaking these old compilers inline is defined away when not
supported. That'll cause "function x defined but not used" type of
warnings, but since nobody develops on such compilers anymore that's
ok.
This change in policy will allow us to more easily employ inline
functions.
I chose to remove code previously conditional on PG_USE_INLINE as it
seemed confusing to have code dependent on a define that's always
defined.
Blacklisting of compilers, like in c53f73879f, now has to be done
differently. A platform template can define PG_FORCE_DISABLE_INLINE to
force inline to be defined empty.
Discussion: 20150701161447.GB30708@awork2.anarazel.de
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xlc provides "long long" unconditionally at C99-compatible language
levels, and this option provokes a warning. The warning interferes with
"configure" tests that fail in response to any warning. Notably, before
commit 85a2a8903f7e9151793308d0638621003aded5ae, it interfered with the
test for -qnoansialias. Back-patch to 9.0 (all supported versions).
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Autoconf has known about automatically selecting -Ae when needed for
quite some time now, so remove the redundant addition in template/hpux.
Noted while setting up buildfarm member pademelon.
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Support for running postgres on Alpha hasn't been tested for a long
while. Due to Alpha's uniquely lax cache coherency model it's a hard
to develop for platform (especially blindly!) and thought to be
unlikely to currently work correctly.
As Alpha is the only supported architecture for Tru64 drop support for
it as well. Tru64's support has ended 2012 and it has been in
maintenance-only mode for much longer.
Also remove stray references to __ksr__ and ultrix defines.
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This preserves user-specified LDFLAGS; we already kept user-specified
CFLAGS and CPPFLAGS. Given the shortage of complaints and the fact that
any problem caused is likely to appear at build time, no back-patch.
Dag-Erling Smørgrav and Noah Misch
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Disabling auto-import requires that all libraries we use be careful about
declspecs for exported variables; and it seems they aren't. This means
that Cygwin will not give us useful info about missing PGDLLIMPORT markers;
but it's probably sufficient that MSVC and Mingw builds do.
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This is evidently the default on buildfarm member narwhal, but that
is a pretty ancient Mingw version, and there is reason to think that
more recent versions of GNU ld have this feature turned on by default.
Since we are trying to achieve consistency of link behavior across
all Windows toolchains, let's just make sure here.
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This is expected to make it start failing when contrib modules
reference non-PGDLLIMPORT'ed global variables, as the other Windows
build methods do. Aside from the value of consistency, the underlying
implementation of this switch is pretty ugly and not really something
we want to rely on if we have to use PGDLLIMPORT anyway for MSVC.
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This removes the remaining pieces of the IRIX port that was removed by
ea91a6be89575095f61ebf36d67c2df98be093db.
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Apparently, on some glibc versions this causes warnings when
optimization is not enabled.
Altogether, there appear to be too many incompatibilities surrounding
this.
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There are apparently some incompatibilities, per buildfarm.
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Many distributors use this, so we might as well see the warnings as
well.
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Postgres 9.2, and perhaps no existing users either.
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Remove the following ports:
- dgux
- nextstep
- sunos4
- svr4
- ultrix4
- univel
These are obsolete and not worth rescuing. In most cases, there is
circumstantial evidence that they wouldn't work anymore anyway.
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at end of files.
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since Apple shipped a compiler that needed this switch, and there's
increasing interest in using other compilers that won't accept the switch
at all. Better to let anybody who still needs the switch inject it via
CPPFLAGS. Per gripe from Neil Conway.
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linking both executables and shared libraries, and we add on LDFLAGS_EX when
linking executables or LDFLAGS_SL when linking shared libraries. This
provides a significantly cleaner way of dealing with link-time switches than
the former behavior. Also, make sure that the various platform-specific
%.so: %.o rules incorporate LDFLAGS and LDFLAGS_SL; most of them missed that
before. (I did not add these variables for the platforms that invoke $(LD)
directly, however. It's not clear if we can do that safely, since for the
most part we assume these variables use CC command-line syntax.)
Per gripe from Aaron Swenson and subsequent investigation.
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on AIX with a non-gcc compiler. The previous coding would do this only if
CC was exactly "xlc"; which is a bad idea, as demonstrated by trouble report
from Mihai Criveti.
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This basically takes some build system code that was previously labeled
"Solaris" and ties it to the compiler rather than the operating system.
Author: Julius Stroffek <Julius.Stroffek@Sun.COM>
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and up), per Chris Marcellino. This avoids consuming O(N^2) file
descriptors to support N backends. Tests suggest it's about a wash for
small installations, but large ones would have a problem.
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