Gray interlanguage links entry point to CX must not be shown when translation is impossible
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	Apr 2 2015, 3:42 PM

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The red interlanguage link is shown in some circumstances where it does not make much sense and may be confusing to our users:

When creating a new page. When I'm creating a new page that does not exist yet, it does not make sense that I'm offered the possibility of translate it to a different language. A screenshot of the issue below:

invite-to-translate-an-empty-page.png (656×1 px, 117 KB)

When the article already exist in a language but has not been connected through the interlanguage links. That is, at the very moment I create the article of "Paella" in French (from scratch or by translating from English), I'm told that is missing in Spanish which is not true. I think that if there are no interlanguage links set at all, we should be cautious and not show the red ones (since it is not clear if they are missing or the article is just "disconnected from interlanguage links").
- T87410 will help to alleviate the issue for articles created with CX, but won't solve it for those created with the regular editors.
- A couple of users (1) (2) already reported issues due to confusion in this context.

The list may not be exhaustive, so those knowing the technical details may find other problematic contexts.

Similar issues

T94845, T94869, and T96547 are similar issues related to the interlanguage links entry point.

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	Subject	Repo	Branch	Lines +/-
	Don't show the red interlanguage link when creating a page	mediawiki/extensions/ContentTranslation	master	+1 -1
	Show the red interlanguage link only when reading the article	mediawiki/extensions/ContentTranslation	master	+3 -1

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Open	None	T116533 ContentTranslation issues that affect people who aren't editors or translators (tracking)
Open	None	T126916 ContentTranslation gray interlanguage links issues (tracking)
Open	None	T105577 use geolocation to show the gray interlanguage link in ContentTranslation
Open	None	T94845 Gray interlanguage links entry point to CX must not be shown when translation is impossible
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Pginer-WMF created this task.Apr 2 2015, 3:42 PM

Pginer-WMF raised the priority of this task from to Needs Triage.

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Pginer-WMF added projects: ContentTranslation, ContentTranslation-Release5.

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Amire80 claimed this task.Apr 2 2015, 3:53 PM

Amire80 triaged this task as High priority.

Amire80 added a project: good first task.

Pginer-WMF moved this task from Backlog to Bugs on the ContentTranslation-Release5 board.Apr 2 2015, 4:03 PM

Change 201480 had a related patch set uploaded (by Amire80):
Show the red interlanguage link only when reading the article

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201480

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.Apr 2 2015, 4:06 PM

Amire80 added a project: LE-Sprint-85.Apr 2 2015, 4:08 PM

The patch https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201480 should fix the issue with red interlanguage links appearing on edit pages (needs review).

Adding the link after creating an article using CX will indeed be handled in T87410.

When the article already exists, but wasn't linked we should show the red link. The possibility that this will be the first translation is very likely. Maybe we can add a button to the entry point that says something like "But there is an article - let me link it" (suggestions for better wording are very welcome).

Change 201480 merged by jenkins-bot:
Show the red interlanguage link only when reading the article

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201480

Diffusion mentioned this in rMEXT253954e0db31: Updated mediawiki/extensions Project: mediawiki/extensions/ContentTranslation….Apr 3 2015, 7:03 AM

santhosh mentioned this in rECTXe274a7a82e1c: Show the red interlanguage link only when reading the article.Apr 3 2015, 7:03 AM

santhosh moved this task from Backlog to Done on the LE-Sprint-85 board.Apr 3 2015, 8:48 AM

santhosh moved this task from Done to In Progress on the LE-Sprint-85 board.Apr 7 2015, 7:17 AM

When the article already exists, but wasn't linked we should show the red link. The possibility that this will be the first translation is very likely. Maybe we can add a button to the entry point that says something like "But there is an article - let me link it" (suggestions for better wording are very welcome).

I think we should invite the user to translate what we are sure it makes sense to translate, and the article not being linked does not provide enough confidence for us to invite the user (since we may be leading the user to create a new translation that already exists, leading the user to waste time, something noone likes). Asking the user to make additional checks, does not seem to be the solution to me since the invitation becomes less trustful (thus, less effective).

santhosh edited a custom field.Apr 8 2015, 6:52 AM

Arrbee moved this task from Needs Triage to CX5 on the ContentTranslation board.Apr 10 2015, 9:51 AM

Change 203364 had a related patch set uploaded (by Amire80):
Don't show the red interlanguage link when creating a page

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203364

Change 203364 merged by jenkins-bot:
Don't show the red interlanguage link when creating a page

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203364

matmarex mentioned this in rECTX0cf6b815e7e4: Don't show the red interlanguage link when creating a page.Apr 11 2015, 5:04 AM

Diffusion mentioned this in rMEXT9f99420270ef: Updated mediawiki/extensions Project: mediawiki/extensions/ContentTranslation….Apr 11 2015, 5:05 AM

Arrbee removed a project: LE-Sprint-85.Apr 20 2015, 7:06 AM

Marked as 'Needs Triage' as it needs further discussion.

Pginer-WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)Apr 28 2015, 7:47 AM

Pginer-WMF mentioned this in T94869: The default languages shown for CX are sub-optimal and pollute the list of common languages.

Pginer-WMF mentioned this in T96547: make it easy to prevent unwanted languages from appearing in the gray interlanguage links added by ContentTranslation.

Arrbee triaged this task as Medium priority.Apr 30 2015, 9:11 AM

Arrbee raised the priority of this task from Medium to Needs Triage.

Amire80 triaged this task as Medium priority.May 28 2015, 1:06 PM

Amire80 removed a project: Patch-For-Review.

Amire80 edited projects, added ContentTranslation-Release6; removed ContentTranslation-Release5.Jul 2 2015, 1:39 PM

Amire80 moved this task from Backlog to Entry Points on the ContentTranslation-Release6 board.

Amire80 moved this task from CX5 to CX6 on the ContentTranslation board.Jul 2 2015, 4:34 PM

Amire80 added a parent task: T105577: use geolocation to show the gray interlanguage link in ContentTranslation.Jul 11 2015, 8:58 AM

Amire80 renamed this task from Red interlanguage links entry point to CX should not be shown when it does not make sense to Gray interlanguage links entry point to CX should not be shown when it does not make sense.Jul 11 2015, 9:43 AM

Amire80 removed Amire80 as the assignee of this task.

Pginer-WMF moved this task from CX6 to CX7 on the ContentTranslation board.Jul 21 2015, 7:38 PM

Pginer-WMF removed a project: ContentTranslation-Release6.

Amire80 moved this task from CX7 to CX8 candidates on the ContentTranslation board.Oct 19 2015, 9:03 AM

Amire80 added a project: Essential-Work.Oct 24 2015, 12:27 PM

Amire80 added a parent task: T116533: ContentTranslation issues that affect people who aren't editors or translators (tracking).Oct 25 2015, 2:05 PM

Nemo_bis renamed this task from Gray interlanguage links entry point to CX should not be shown when it does not make sense to Gray interlanguage links entry point to CX should not be shown when translation is impossible.Dec 20 2015, 9:50 AM

Amire80 moved this task from CX8 candidates to CX9 candidates on the ContentTranslation board.Jan 20 2016, 10:46 PM

Amire80 added a parent task: T126916: ContentTranslation gray interlanguage links issues (tracking).Feb 14 2016, 3:32 PM

Amire80 moved this task from CX9 candidates to Bugs on the ContentTranslation board.Apr 20 2016, 12:42 PM

Amire80 added a project: ContentTranslation-out-of-beta.Jul 4 2016, 8:16 PM

Amire80 moved this task from Backlog to Basic workflow on the ContentTranslation-out-of-beta board.Jul 12 2016, 8:25 PM

Amire80 renamed this task from Gray interlanguage links entry point to CX should not be shown when translation is impossible to Gray interlanguage links entry point to CX must not be shown when translation is impossible.May 9 2017, 5:45 PM

Amire80 moved this task from Bugs to Out of Beta on the ContentTranslation board.

Arrbee edited projects, added CX-out-of-beta; removed ContentTranslation-out-of-beta, ContentTranslation.Jun 13 2018, 6:23 PM

Arrbee moved this task from Backlog to Basic workflow on the CX-out-of-beta board.

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