We Had to Remove This Post
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WHAT IS “NORMAL”?
WHAT IS “RIGHT”?
AND WHO GETS TO DECIDE?
To be a content moderator is to see humanity at its worst—but Kayleigh needs money. So she takes a job working for a social media platform whose name she isn’t allowed to mention. Her task: review offensive videos and pictures, rants and conspiracy theories, and decide which need to be removed. It’s grueling work. Kayleigh and her colleagues spend all day watching horrors and hate on their screens, evaluating them with the platform’s ever-changing moderating guidelines. Yet Kayleigh is good at her job, and she finds in her colleagues a group of friends—even a new girlfriend—and for the first time in her life, her future seems bright.
But soon the job seems to change them all, shifting their worlds in alarming ways. How long before the moderators’ own senses of right and wrong begin to bend and flex?
From one of the most acclaimed Dutch writers of her generation, We Had to Remove This Post is a chilling, powerful, and urgent literary masterpiece about who or what determines our worldview, who sets the boundaries, and just how much a person can be asked to accept.
Hanna Bervoets
Hanna Bervoets is one of the most acclaimed Dutch writers of her generation. She is the author of several novels in her home country of the Netherlands, and she has also written screenplays, plays, short stories, and essays. She is the recipient of many literary awards, including the prestigious Frans Kellendonk Prize for her entire body of work. She was a resident at Art Omi: Writers at Ledig House, New York, and currently works and lives in Amsterdam with her girlfriend and two guinea pigs. We Had to Remove This Post has been translated into thirteen languages and is her first book to be translated into English.
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- Rating: 3 out of 5 stars3/5"We Had to Remove This Post" isn't the best novel I've ever read. In fact, I'm not sure it's a particularly good novel. But it is, for what it's worth, post-modern in the best sense. It carefully shows a reader what happens to jobs — and life — when the categories and overarching explanations that people have assumed for years were permanent simply collapse in a matter of weeks. Of course, the internet is the perfect place for that to happen. No points awarded for guessing that.
As for the book's plot, it centers around a handful of friends who start working at a semi-fictitious company that contracts its services to a never-named social media company. The characters we meet have been hired as content moderators: yes, they're the ones who decide which shockingly racist, disturbing, or offensive videos can stay up on the site and which must — according to company policy and little else — be taken down. Predictably, this job takes its toll on our cast of characters: people drink more and engage in risky sexual behavior. The line between day and night seems to vanish. As does the line between home and office. As does, ultimately, a fair amount of our characters' moral bearing and basic decency. Nothing, it seems, can survive the unstoppable pull of the information economy, modern life's own black hole. The book may not be a pleasure to read. Bervoets prose style tracks pretty closely to personality-free "white writing" and, if I'm not wrong, it's set in a nameless, but probably anglophone environment that robs this book of some of the specificity it might have had. Even so, it certainly gets its point across. I can't say I felt the psychic scars that the characters we met accumulated as the events described here played out, but they're certainly there, and they feel like a warning to anyone who spends too much time on the computer. Recommended to people concerned about the effect of information-age technology on the human psyche, and, at this point, shouldn't that be everyone? - Rating: 3 out of 5 stars3/5So, I used to watch gore. A lot of it. It was an addiction: part of the DNA of my PTSD. I needed a way to numb myself from the constant, white, electric pain within and around myself. It took a year or so, but I eventually found that release through other things. (Mainly just looking at pictures of scary bugs. Not joking.)
This book is a harrowing and uncomfortable look at what the internet has allowed us to become privy to. In another century, I would not have had that release. I would have probably drunk and hurt myself far worse—two terrible things for the body that I can't pretend would have necessarily been better than watching suicides on loop. But it makes you think, doesn't it?
Following a woman working at a content moderation center, this book charts the mental disintegration of being at the frontlines of this work, and how the internet poisons and hardens the worst of us. It's provocative and funny and driving in a way that lends itself to a one-sit read, and finishing that last page leaves you feeling so, so icky. It was bold. I liked that.
Bervoets has a contemporary and loose style to her writing that makes the book terribly easy to rip through in one sitting. The book's strength is in its short length and its weakness is in the relatively strict narrative reality it keeps. This latter aspect makes sense: the author wants to highlight the unreliable narrator and remind us that we can all be privy to massive blindspots in our world from the slick constant content of social media. But. Certain aspects of the main character (namely, her reticence at sharing emotions from the beginning until the end) are ultimately placed without greater meaning, and the lack of experimentation of prose left me feeling as if I'd read a good book but not a great book, you know? But I still really enjoyed this and found it questioning all the right parts of a strange, horrifying frontier of the internet age. - Rating: 3 out of 5 stars3/5SPOILERS AHEAD!! that was a really nice short read, i really liked the shifting perception of our main character of what is wrong or not and i do catch myself thinking about the rape reveal quite often but overall i just wish there was more. i dont even know what kind of more, more to read? more to it? worth the read tho and the cover is stunning
- Rating: 4 out of 5 stars4/5This was brutal. It was, to me, a study in the extremes of PTSD from work environments. It was twisted, dark, and haunting, but grounded in the reality of social media moderators. Trigger warnings for just about everything. The writing was intense but this was a page turner, so I will be looking for the author‘s other work to be translated into English.
- Rating: 2 out of 5 stars2/5Strange book. I felt it spent too much time on the details of a relationship than the main story itself. It also ended abruptly...like I was only reading the 1st half of a story.
- Rating: 2 out of 5 stars2/5what the heck, that break-up was so unnecessary, it didn't literally make sense at all. and whole book about something different than it said it would be. ⭐⭐
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- Rating: 3 out of 5 stars3/53 stars
very short, the ending left me shocked not for actual content but because i wasn’t paying attention and expected at least 3 more chapters. interesting take on the ways that viewing graphic/disturbing content on a daily basis can alter our own perceptions and understanding of what is normal. i think it could have been more developed and gone further into how that affected the mc, but overall i liked it!
characters: 3
plot: 2.5
writing: 3 - Rating: 4 out of 5 stars4/5Wat wij zagen is a tiny novel. Commissioned to be distributed for free, the annual Book Week free novel has about 92 pages.
At first, the short novel seems to be conceived as creative non-fiction. It is written as an autobiographical report or a letter, describing the work at a large unnamed social media company (most likely Youtube or Facebook).
The main characters in the novel are content moderators, and their job is to evaluate (un)acceptable content, ranging from very violent content, sexually explicit content, forms of abuse, dangerous experiments and suicide.
However, this setting is the background to the story. The main theme is a love story which develops between two women in the team. There is quite some tension between these two themes, that are not very well connected. Neither is fully developed within the short scope of the novel. - Rating: 3 out of 5 stars3/5Bervoets takes us into the scary world of the content moderators, the overworked, underpaid heroes whose job it is to protect the reputations of social media companies us users from all the nastiness lurking out there on the internet.
Her narrator, Kayleigh, has tried to pay off her debts by taking a job with an agency that does content moderation for a big social media company. She tells us about all the routine unpleasantness of that kind of work — long shifts, demanding targets, paranoid security rules, arcane guidelines that change from day to day about what is and is not "acceptable". And gradually we get to see what constant exposure to images of violence, pornography, conspiracy theories, fake news, and all the rest of it does to the people who have to work with it. The sight of a workman on the roof of a nearby building leads the whole office to jump to the conclusion that there's a suicide attempt going on. Co-workers start believing flat-earth theories or holocaust deniers. Kayleigh's girlfriend Sigrid gets nightmares after learning about the suicide of a girl whose self-harm video she had previously vetted as being "within the rules". And Kayleigh herself starts, without noticing it, to behave in ways that shock her when Sigrid points them out to her after the event.
This kind of book always seems to run into the problem of finding a good balance between journalism and fiction, and I had the feeling that Bervoets was squeezing just a bit too much information into the tight format of the novella, so that the development of the characters suffered a little. But still a very interesting read. - Rating: 5 out of 5 stars5/5We Had to Remove This Post by Hanna Bervoets and translated by Emma Rault is a short but powerful novel that brings the societal and the personal into conversation with each other.
The obvious societal commentary is about the types of things that, because of social media, seem to be proliferating. Violence, hatred, bestiality, and all combinations of those are posted. To try to make "the platform" a better forum it falls to human beings to monitor the posts and determine what can and can't stay online.
Through the narrator, Kayleigh, we watch both the stress that type of work has on people and the extent to which even the least rational theories can gain a foothold when viewed and listened to enough, even when your job is to remove objectionable material. Though Kayleigh feels she is holding up well, it is through her story that we see the deeper personal aspect.
As Kayleigh, and by extension any human, sees more and more extreme acts and ideas she becomes normalized to it such that what had been satisfying is no longer. So how does one, or can one, maintain their own moral and ethical standards when bombarded with the ugliness that seems to pervade so much of social media?
I would recommend this to anyone who likes to view the problems facing society through a fictional frame that allows for both empathy and consternation. Everything is presented for the reader to make sense of what happened but the reader must do some of the work rather than expect explanations for everything. If you're willing to do that work you will be rewarded. If you really feel you must "like" the characters then you may have some trouble, these are people with flaws and those flaws make the story, so "liking" has nothing to do with it. Either you can empathize with people or you can't.
Reviewed from a copy made available by the publisher via NetGalley.
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We Had to Remove This Post - Hanna Bervoets
Contents
Cover
Title Page
We Had to Remove This Post
Selected Sources
About the Author
Copyright
About the Publisher
So what kinds of things did you see?
It’s crazy how often people still ask me that, even though it’s been sixteen months since I left Hexa. People just won’t stop trying, and if my answer doesn’t live up to their expectations—too vague, not shocking enough—they simply repeat the question, putting it slightly differently. "But what’s the worst thing you ever saw?" Gregory, my new colleague at the museum, asks me.
So what exactly are we talking about here?
That’s my Aunt Meredith, who for years I would only see on the anniversary of Mom’s death, but who has suddenly gotten into the habit of calling me on the first Sunday of every month to ask how I’m doing, and oh yeah, what exactly it was that I saw.
Why don’t you choose one video, one image, or one post that really affected you.
And there’s Dr. Ana. Tell me what you thought and felt at the time. Go ahead and make it into an image in your head . . . Yes, a mental image of yourself sitting there and seeing that upsetting image
—and then she pulls out some sort of rod with a light flashing back and forth inside of it.
And now you’ve joined in too, Mr. Stitic. You call me almost every day now. Please get in touch when you have a moment, Ms. Kayleigh.
Do you even realize that Kayleigh is my first name? You don’t, do you? Of course you got a hold of my details from my former colleagues, who don’t know my last name, and now you’re asking me: So, Ms. Kayleigh, what kinds of things did you see?
People act like it’s a perfectly normal question, but how normal is a question when you’re expecting the answer to be gruesome? And it’s not like any of those people are asking out of concern for my well-being. Maybe that’s not so strange—maybe questions don’t stem from interest in the other person so much as curiosity about the lives we might have led (Gosh, Mr. Stitic, civil law . . . what’s that like?
), but with Gregory and Aunt Meredith, and even with Dr. Ana, I can’t help but suspect a certain amount of lurid fascination, an urge that compels them to ask but that can never be fully satisfied.
I saw a livestream of a girl sticking a much-too-dull pocketknife into her own arm—she really had to jam it in there before a decent amount of blood would come out. I saw a man kicking his German shepherd so hard that the poor animal slammed into the fridge, whimpering. I saw kids daring each other to eat dangerously large amounts of cinnamon in one go. I saw people singing Hitler’s praises to their neighbors, colleagues, and vague acquaintances, publicly, unabashedly, out there for potential partners and employers to see: Hitler should have finished what he started
below a picture of a group of immigrants crammed into a small boat.
But those are all cop-out examples—you know that, don’t you? Those things have all been in the papers, culled from accounts by other former moderators, though that doesn’t mean I didn’t encounter them too: the abused dogs, the Nazi salutes—and the girl with the knives is a classic, there are thousands of them, one on every street, or at least that’s how I picture it: That house where the bathroom light is still on at night, that’s where she’s sitting alone on the cold, hard floor. But that’s not what people want to hear. They want me to give them something new, things they’d never dare look at, things that are far beyond their imagination, which is why Gregory asks, "But what’s the worst thing you ever saw? rather than
How is that girl doing now? Were you able to help her, by any chance?" God no, people have no idea what my previous job actually entailed, and that’s partly your fault, Mr. Stitic. After all the news about the lawsuit you’re filing on behalf of my former colleagues, people believe that we all sat there in front of our screens like zombies, that we didn’t know what we were doing, had no idea what we’d gotten ourselves into, that out of the blue we were bombarded with thousands of sickening images that short-circuited the synapses in our brains almost instantly—well, it wasn’t like that. At least not entirely, and not for everyone.
I knew what I was getting myself into. I knew what I was doing, and I was pretty damn good at it. I still remember all the rules from back then and I still apply them sometimes, it happens automatically, an occupational hazard—whether it’s TV shows, video clips, or just things I see in my everyday life. That woman getting knocked off her scooter—can you put that up online? Not if you can see blood. If the situation is clearly comical, then yes. If there’s sadism involved, no. If what’s being shown serves an educational purpose, yes, and ding ding ding, we have a winner, because that exit to the museum parking lot is a hot mess. They really need to fix that,
as long as I put that in the caption, it’s allowed—see, that’s the kind of thing I’m thinking about as I tear off four tickets for a visitor. And no, it’s not always pleasant having those rules rattling around in my head, but you know what? Part of me is still proud of how well I knew the guidelines. That’s just not what you want to hear, is it?
I haven’t replied to any of your emails. I haven’t returned any of your calls, either—I thought you would have gotten the message by now. I don’t want to talk to you. I don’t want to join the other plaintiffs. I don’t want to be involved in your lawsuit. But you just keep calling and calling, and today I received your second letter (very elegant handwriting you have, Mr. Stitic).
It’s not that I don’t understand. You’re a lawyer, it’s your job to keep insisting, and you’re pretty well versed in the art of persuasion—don’t think I haven’t noticed how your tone has gotten a little chummier with each message. You know I’m listening, you know I’m getting used to the sound of your voice, so you’ve stopped calling me Ms. Kayleigh
and are suddenly talking about the prospect of a decent sum of money,
and to be honest I think it’s pretty creepy that you know how badly I could use a decent sum of money. I’m sure my former colleagues have told you about my debts, and I wonder how that comports with the applicable privacy regulations, but hey, I’m sure you know that better than me.
Two more years at the museum and I will have paid it all off. That is, if I work overtime during the holidays, when the pay’s better, so here’s hoping I get shifts on Easter and Boxing Day too, because no, there’s no way I’m going to join in with this thing, though I understand why my former colleagues have.
I read that Robert sleeps with his taser these days, afraid that terrorists will come and kidnap him at night (the names in that newspaper article had been changed, but Timothy
can only be Robert, I’m sure of it). That Nataly
can’t handle loud noises, bright lights, or sudden movement in her peripheral vision (there were a bunch of people who struggled with that, so I’m not sure who Nataly is). I know that many of my former colleagues flinch when someone comes up behind them in the supermarket, that they lie in bed until after dark and then stay up till it’s light—too exhausted to start a new job, they see things, day and night, the same things I don’t like to talk about either, and I’m sorry to say that some of those symptoms aren’t exactly foreign to me. And yes, just like many of my former colleagues, I left Hexa of my own accord—so again, I understand why you’ve come knocking on my door.
But for you to understand why I