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Blindsight (Firefall, #1)
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This book was absolutely nothing like I expected. Little did I know that for my hard SF adventure I needed to be comfortable not only with astronomy and physics and biology but also a hefty dose of philosophy and neuroscience and evolution — and a mind-boggling exploration not even into the nature of conscience but in its utility or complete lack thereof. There are enough abstract concepts for my mind not just to grapple with but to grudgingly admit defeat against.
What is it about? Well, on a surface it’s a First Contact story involving a crew of mentally and biologically augmented humans - or rather posthumans - on the “bleeding edge” of science, one resurrected apex predator (a scientifically plausible vampire with a Right Angle Glitch) and one advanced ship AI — all coming from the world of genetic engineering and virtual reality — tasked with exploration of an unknowable alien entity that takes them deep into the Oort Cloud.
And while they indeed find something very much alien in every imaginable way, this stops being your typical science fiction story and becomes a mind-breaking exploration of consciousness and hackable subjectivity of perception and torture and the inherent cruelty of game theory.
It’s very dense and technical and really requires your full focus, and rereading the passages a few times, and sometimes just staring at the wall while the cogs in the brain try to grind.
And it’s an unexpected ode to brainstem, that ancient reptilian brain that does all the work while the self-satisfied neocortex rests on its laurels, basking in the glory of that - possibly overrated - consciousness.
It’s beyond my comprehension, really, to imagine a superbly intelligent creature that yet does not possess that seeming pinnacle of creation, that self-satisfied self-awareness, that crown jewel that gives us humans the tremendous satisfaction and perception of being infinitely better than all those poor non-sentient creatures. After all, if we have it and we are successful, then it’s the ultimate goal and a prerequisite for success, for *being*. Even our smartest machines would hypothetically need to pass that Turing test for us to award them with true recognition — the “being-ness” itself.
But what if all that is little but training wheels which are an impediment, really, if you forget to take the, off at some point? And is there any objective difference between feeling empathy and acting as though you feel empathy? And given how fragile it all is, what’s the point of putting it on the pedestal?
And then the ever-present dilemma of what to do when a new spacefaring intelligence is found. How do we go about friendliness or hostility? Do we assume the same competition approach, that damn zero sum game that served the winners throughout our history? At which point do you decide on the preventive strikes (that fragging euphemism for attack that nevertheless allows us to remain “the good guys”) and when do you justify torture itself?
Oh, and it’s so pessimistic and bleak that you’ll end up blankly staring at a wall for a while after it all ends. That fragging elusive “human condition” that would not have been a problem had we allowed our reptilian brain to truly run the show.
Every theme addressed can sprout volumes upon volumes of frantic writing. But it’s that concept of consciousness as opposed to intelligence, and the survival / fitness value of those that made it hard for me. Electromagnetic radiation and its effects on the brain? Sure. Alien biology? No problem. Walking corpse syndrome? Alrighty. Spacefaring without consciousness, advanced math without self-awareness? Ummmm, huh???
It’s a difficult, dense book - but of the kind that makes you think long and hard about the validity of the concepts it discusses, the book that is not going for patting you on the back for putting in the effort but instead throws more challenges at you. It’s the book that demands concentration and focus and occasional looking up things to make sure you’re getting it right. It’s a challenge, and one that I found to be worth the time and investment. It’s not quite enjoyable in the way I’m used to, but rather uncomfortably fascinating and definitely not one for mass appeal. And I’m quite alright with that.
But damn, do I wish it was just a bit less bleak.
4 stars.
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Buddy read with carol., Stephen, Phil and David.
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A link to a 5-minute short film that’s basically a trailer for this book (shamelessly stolen from carol’s review): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkR2h...
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My much less enthusiastic review of the sequel, Echopraxia: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
What is it about? Well, on a surface it’s a First Contact story involving a crew of mentally and biologically augmented humans - or rather posthumans - on the “bleeding edge” of science, one resurrected apex predator (a scientifically plausible vampire with a Right Angle Glitch) and one advanced ship AI — all coming from the world of genetic engineering and virtual reality — tasked with exploration of an unknowable alien entity that takes them deep into the Oort Cloud.
“And so we waited: four optimized hybrids somewhere past the threshold of mere humanity, one extinct predator who'd opted to command us instead of eating us alive.”
And while they indeed find something very much alien in every imaginable way, this stops being your typical science fiction story and becomes a mind-breaking exploration of consciousness and hackable subjectivity of perception and torture and the inherent cruelty of game theory.
“Imagine a crown of thorns, twisted, dark and unreflective, grown too thickly tangled to ever rest on any human head. Put it in orbit around a failed star whose own reflected half-light does little more than throw its satellites into silhouette. Occasional bloody highlights glinted like dim embers from its twists and crannies; they only emphasized the darkness everywhere else.
Imagine an artefact that embodies the very notion of torture, something so wrenched and disfigured that even across uncounted lightyears and unimaginable differences in biology and outlook, you can't help but feel that somehow, the structure itself is in pain.
Now make it the size of a city.”
It’s very dense and technical and really requires your full focus, and rereading the passages a few times, and sometimes just staring at the wall while the cogs in the brain try to grind.
And it’s an unexpected ode to brainstem, that ancient reptilian brain that does all the work while the self-satisfied neocortex rests on its laurels, basking in the glory of that - possibly overrated - consciousness.
It’s beyond my comprehension, really, to imagine a superbly intelligent creature that yet does not possess that seeming pinnacle of creation, that self-satisfied self-awareness, that crown jewel that gives us humans the tremendous satisfaction and perception of being infinitely better than all those poor non-sentient creatures. After all, if we have it and we are successful, then it’s the ultimate goal and a prerequisite for success, for *being*. Even our smartest machines would hypothetically need to pass that Turing test for us to award them with true recognition — the “being-ness” itself.
“Point being you can use basic pattern-matching algorithms to participate in a conversation without having any idea what you're saying. Depending on how good your rules are, you can pass a Turing test.”
But what if all that is little but training wheels which are an impediment, really, if you forget to take the, off at some point? And is there any objective difference between feeling empathy and acting as though you feel empathy? And given how fragile it all is, what’s the point of putting it on the pedestal?
“What's the survival value of obsessing on a sunset?”
And then the ever-present dilemma of what to do when a new spacefaring intelligence is found. How do we go about friendliness or hostility? Do we assume the same competition approach, that damn zero sum game that served the winners throughout our history? At which point do you decide on the preventive strikes (that fragging euphemism for attack that nevertheless allows us to remain “the good guys”) and when do you justify torture itself?
“Killing innocents is the least of the risks you're running; you're gambling with the fate of worlds, provoking conflict with a star faring technology whose sole offense was to take your picture without permission.”
“This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, and keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the speech from the screams.”
“She'd just fallen back on the oldest trick in the Torturer's Handbook, the one that lets you go home to your family after work, and play with your children, and sleep at night: never humanize your victims.”
Oh, and it’s so pessimistic and bleak that you’ll end up blankly staring at a wall for a while after it all ends. That fragging elusive “human condition” that would not have been a problem had we allowed our reptilian brain to truly run the show.
Every theme addressed can sprout volumes upon volumes of frantic writing. But it’s that concept of consciousness as opposed to intelligence, and the survival / fitness value of those that made it hard for me. Electromagnetic radiation and its effects on the brain? Sure. Alien biology? No problem. Walking corpse syndrome? Alrighty. Spacefaring without consciousness, advanced math without self-awareness? Ummmm, huh???
“Because if Sarasti was right, scramblers were the norm: evolution across the universe was nothing but the endless proliferation of automatic, organized complexity, a vast arid Turing machine full of self-replicating machinery forever unaware of its own existence. And we—we were the flukes and the fossils. We were the flightless birds lauding our own mastery over some remote island while serpents and carnivores washed up on our shores.”
“There's no such things as survival of the fittest. Survival of the most adequate, maybe. It doesn't matter whether a solution's optimal. All that matters is whether it beats the alternative.”
It’s a difficult, dense book - but of the kind that makes you think long and hard about the validity of the concepts it discusses, the book that is not going for patting you on the back for putting in the effort but instead throws more challenges at you. It’s the book that demands concentration and focus and occasional looking up things to make sure you’re getting it right. It’s a challenge, and one that I found to be worth the time and investment. It’s not quite enjoyable in the way I’m used to, but rather uncomfortably fascinating and definitely not one for mass appeal. And I’m quite alright with that.
But damn, do I wish it was just a bit less bleak.
4 stars.
“I shook my head. "I just observe, that's all. I watch what people do, and then I imagine what would make them do that."
"Sounds like empathy to me."
"It's not. Empathy's not so much about imagining how the other guy feels. It's more about imagining how you'd feel in the same place, right?"
Pag frowned. "So?"
"So what if you don't know how you'd feel?”
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Buddy read with carol., Stephen, Phil and David.
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A link to a 5-minute short film that’s basically a trailer for this book (shamelessly stolen from carol’s review): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkR2h...
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My much less enthusiastic review of the sequel, Echopraxia: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
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Mar 07, 2021 11:55AM
I recommend reading Firefall, the omnibus edition of the connected novels Blindsight and Echopraxia. Reading them back-to-back maintains context in this very, chewy story.
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Good to know. I’m still “chewing” my way through the first one. It’s dense but interesting, minus the unexpected vampires — I don’t quite understand why they would be needed in a “hard” SF story.
Nataliya wrote: "... — I don’t quite understand why they would be needed in a “hard” SF story."
I thought it had to do with a compare and contrast with human reaction to the alien? Vampires were an alien that humans dealt with through genocide.
I thought it had to do with a compare and contrast with human reaction to the alien? Vampires were an alien that humans dealt with through genocide.
I’m only partly into the story, so I haven’t arrived at that conclusion yet. We’ll see. I hope to get through the book by the end of the day.
Nataliya wrote: "I’m only partly into the story, so I haven’t arrived at that conclusion yet. We’ll see. I hope to get through the book by the end of the day."
Don't wait too long before starting Echopraxia, they're really tightly bound. I read the books as they were published. I was disappointed with myself for having forgotten so much in the eight (8) years between them.
Don't wait too long before starting Echopraxia, they're really tightly bound. I read the books as they were published. I was disappointed with myself for having forgotten so much in the eight (8) years between them.
This sounds fascinating! & would give me a headache probably, so thanks for this great review I can read instead of trying to tackle the book itself
Charles wrote: "Nataliya wrote: "I’m only partly into the story, so I haven’t arrived at that conclusion yet. We’ll see. I hope to get through the book by the end of the day."
Don't wait too long before starting ..."
I definitely don’t plan on an 8 year gap. I’ll probably get to it sometime this year, so my memory should still be fresh enough.
Don't wait too long before starting ..."
I definitely don’t plan on an 8 year gap. I’ll probably get to it sometime this year, so my memory should still be fresh enough.
Poptart19 (ren) wrote: "This sounds fascinating! & would give me a headache probably, so thanks for this great review I can read instead of trying to tackle the book itself"
It is fascinating indeed — but in a dry and cerebral way. Bit sometimes I’m juuuust in the right mood for books like this one.
It is fascinating indeed — but in a dry and cerebral way. Bit sometimes I’m juuuust in the right mood for books like this one.
Loved your review, and yes, it's more of uncomfortably fascinating than enjoyable but so worth the time spent on it. I'm aiming for a reread soon, i feel like while listening to it as audiobook something could've slipped from my attention.
Caro wrote: "Loved your review, and yes, it's more of uncomfortably fascinating than enjoyable but so worth the time spent on it. I'm aiming for a reread soon, i feel like while listening to it as audiobook som..."
Oh wow, I don’t think I’d be able to tackle this on an audio unless it was a reread. It was way too complicated for me and I ended up constantly needing to reread the passages. Now for an eventual reread audio will definitely be awesome.
Oh wow, I don’t think I’d be able to tackle this on an audio unless it was a reread. It was way too complicated for me and I ended up constantly needing to reread the passages. Now for an eventual reread audio will definitely be awesome.
Ha, I was doing exactly the same, had to relisten to some parts for a couple of times on those special "whaaat???" moments. :))
P.S. Are you going to read Echopraxia?
P.S. Are you going to read Echopraxia?
Very impressive review Nataliya. I’m glad you liked the book though I agree it’s a difficult one to enjoy.
Its unfortunate that Watts is not a more prolific writer. I did not think his Rifter series was as chewey as the Firefall books.
Note there is a Firefall short story to read, The Colonel. Although, at only 30-pages its a teaser.
And, well, if you thought this book ended on a down note, Echopraxia isn't going to lift you up.
Note there is a Firefall short story to read, The Colonel. Although, at only 30-pages its a teaser.
And, well, if you thought this book ended on a down note, Echopraxia isn't going to lift you up.
Nah, I’m gonna contradict others, read Starfish over Echopraxia. The latter is new and polished, whereas the former speaks to the authors core skills (marine biologist) but is quite rough. You will appreciate Watts’ journey as a wordsmith reading Echopraxia after. Going the other way around is bit painful TBH. Oh, and yeah, Starfish is on-brand bleak.
Caro wrote: "Ha, I was doing exactly the same, had to relisten to some parts for a couple of times on those special "whaaat???" moments. :))
P.S. Are you going to read Echopraxia?"
I definitely plan to read this one. I’m curious for more Watts.
I found that I don’t do well listening to complex books first, I tend to do better when I eyeball-read them first. It’s easier for me to zone out with audio, so I mostly reserve it for re-reads.
P.S. Are you going to read Echopraxia?"
I definitely plan to read this one. I’m curious for more Watts.
I found that I don’t do well listening to complex books first, I tend to do better when I eyeball-read them first. It’s easier for me to zone out with audio, so I mostly reserve it for re-reads.
Fred wrote: "Very impressive review Nataliya. I’m glad you liked the book though I agree it’s a difficult one to enjoy."
Thanks, Fred! It’s a difficult one to enjoy, certainly — but the effort was worth it.
Thanks, Fred! It’s a difficult one to enjoy, certainly — but the effort was worth it.
Charles wrote: "And, well, if you thought this book ended on a down note, Echopraxia isn't going to lift you up."
Alright then. Even more depressing, huh? I’ll make sure I’ll sandwich it between down sweet sugary reads.
Alright then. Even more depressing, huh? I’ll make sure I’ll sandwich it between down sweet sugary reads.
Alex wrote: "Nah, I’m gonna contradict others, read Starfish over Echopraxia. The latter is new and polished, whereas the former speaks to the authors core skills (marine biologist) but is quite rough. You will..."
Good to know, Alex, thanks. But if it’s really rough I don’t want it to ruin Watts for me. Although marine biology does sound interesting.
Good to know, Alex, thanks. But if it’s really rough I don’t want it to ruin Watts for me. Although marine biology does sound interesting.
carol. wrote: "Excellent review! I love your quote, "“What's the survival value of obsessing on a sunset?”"
Thanks, Carol! I loved that quote in his “Notes and References”; I loved all of those sections. It was interesting to see his thoughts not filtered through the characters.
Thanks, Carol! I loved that quote in his “Notes and References”; I loved all of those sections. It was interesting to see his thoughts not filtered through the characters.
AHH YESSS!!! I'm so glad you read + reviewed one of my all-time favorite books! Reading your take definitely brought back some good memories 👾🙃
And yes, I echo the above commenters by also recommending his Echopraxia (and other short stories surrounding this universe).
Mundy wrote: "AHH YESSS!!! I'm so glad you read + reviewed one of my all-time favorite books! Reading your take definitely brought back some good memories 👾🙃"
I really enjoyed it, despite it requiring quite a bit of mental effort to keep up. It’s indeed hard SF, but I found it really worth it. I’m definitely going to read Echopraxia soon; I like when a book challenges me, and Watts definitely succeeded in that.
I read a couple of his short stories before but I can’t remember them all that well now. I should find them now, as I think this book gave me a bit more context when it comes to Watts and his style.
I really enjoyed it, despite it requiring quite a bit of mental effort to keep up. It’s indeed hard SF, but I found it really worth it. I’m definitely going to read Echopraxia soon; I like when a book challenges me, and Watts definitely succeeded in that.
I read a couple of his short stories before but I can’t remember them all that well now. I should find them now, as I think this book gave me a bit more context when it comes to Watts and his style.
Yeah, it was rather bleak. But oh so good. Haven't read Echopraxia yet: I nearly went straight to it (and nearly just to another first contact story, just because...) and in the end did neither.
Ninja wrote: "Yeah, it was rather bleak. But oh so good. Haven't read Echopraxia yet: I nearly went straight to it (and nearly just to another first contact story, just because...) and in the end did neither."
The bleakness was depressing, but anything else would have rang false considering the disillusioned approach Watts took in this book. In this world fear and distrust ruled everything from the start, defining all the interactions, so naturally anything non-bleak would not have fit into this framework.
Echopraxia, I heard, will be even bleaker, so I will need to find a simultaneous cheerful book to dilute the depressive effects.
The bleakness was depressing, but anything else would have rang false considering the disillusioned approach Watts took in this book. In this world fear and distrust ruled everything from the start, defining all the interactions, so naturally anything non-bleak would not have fit into this framework.
Echopraxia, I heard, will be even bleaker, so I will need to find a simultaneous cheerful book to dilute the depressive effects.
carol. wrote: "Cerulean Sea! :D"
That would have worked — but I already read it, time-wise was kinda a counterweight to Blindsight. Need another life-affirming (but not too annoyingly so) one. Maybe I’ll pair it up with Scalzi — his stuff tends to be quite diverting.
That would have worked — but I already read it, time-wise was kinda a counterweight to Blindsight. Need another life-affirming (but not too annoyingly so) one. Maybe I’ll pair it up with Scalzi — his stuff tends to be quite diverting.
carol. wrote: "That could work! I want to try a Bujold book too, with Jessica. I think I have one on Kindle."
I haven’t read anything by Bujold yet. Ah, so many books, so little time!
I haven’t read anything by Bujold yet. Ah, so many books, so little time!
If I ever find a way to go without sleep, I can only imagine how fast I’d be able to get through my endless TBR... come on, science!
Nataliya wrote: "Maybe if I could at least sleep-read. I mean, if sleepwalking is possible, why not sleepreading?"
:D
:D
Vio wrote: "Looking forward to reading this series someday!"
I liked this one a lot, but the sequel ended up a big disappointment for me — but it still didn’t mar the awesomeness that this book is.
I liked this one a lot, but the sequel ended up a big disappointment for me — but it still didn’t mar the awesomeness that this book is.
I’m reading this now, I like your review and I loved the crown of thorns scene also, he’s got a powerful use of prose, kind of like a post millennial Herbert
Lyn wrote: "I’m reading this now, I like your review and I loved the crown of thorns scene also, he’s got a powerful use of prose, kind of like a post millennial Herbert"
Thanks, Lyn! Watts definitely writes well and in a way that makes you want to really focus on what he’s saying. I like that.
Thanks, Lyn! Watts definitely writes well and in a way that makes you want to really focus on what he’s saying. I like that.
I really enjoyed the freeze-frame revolution, so I'm curious to read this one too. Your reviews always make everything so deliciously enticing.
cat herine wrote: "I really enjoyed the freeze-frame revolution, so I'm curious to read this one too. Your reviews always make everything so deliciously enticing."
Freeze-Frame Revolution is probably my favorite Watts, but Blindsight is also excellent. I think you’ll like it if you liked FFR.
Freeze-Frame Revolution is probably my favorite Watts, but Blindsight is also excellent. I think you’ll like it if you liked FFR.
Don't want to read too deep for fear of spoilers -- because as soon as I saw "unknowable alien entity" I was sold.
[Name Redacted] wrote: "Don't want to read too deep for fear of spoilers -- because as soon as I saw "unknowable alien entity" I was sold."
Hehe, then my job here is done. :)
Hehe, then my job here is done. :)
Nataliya, you’re so right, I find myself reading this slower than ordinary mainly because I’m digging his writing but also for the kaleidoscope of different ideas mixed in
Lyn wrote: "Nataliya, you’re so right, I find myself reading this slower than ordinary mainly because I’m digging his writing but also for the kaleidoscope of different ideas mixed in"
I know, right? Watts makes me think, and I love that. Have you read The Freeze-Frame Revolution by him?
I know, right? Watts makes me think, and I love that. Have you read The Freeze-Frame Revolution by him?
Nataliya wrote: "Mwanamali wrote: "Great review Nat."
Thanks!"
Not adding it to the tbr tho. You almost got me but nice try.
Thanks!"
Not adding it to the tbr tho. You almost got me but nice try.
Mwanamali wrote: "Nataliya wrote: "Mwanamali wrote: "Great review Nat."
Thanks!"
Not adding it to the tbr tho. You almost got me but nice try."
But maybe some other review will do the trick and you’ll become a Watts fan. (But not Echopraxia)
Thanks!"
Not adding it to the tbr tho. You almost got me but nice try."
But maybe some other review will do the trick and you’ll become a Watts fan. (But not Echopraxia)