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    The document discusses a question posed to Mawlana Ashraf Ali Thanwi regarding the concept of "imkan al-kadhib" or the possibility of lying [attributed to Allah]. Thanwi responds that there is no doubt about the necessity of truthfulness in Allah's intrinsic self-speech. However, the argument concerns Allah's uttered-speech which is created - the position of the Maturidis. As a creation, uttered-speech necessitates Allah's power over it, and power allows for opposites. Therefore, the possibility of lying in Allah's created speech cannot be denied.

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    The document discusses a question posed to Mawlana Ashraf Ali Thanwi regarding the concept of "imkan al-kadhib" or the possibility of lying [attributed to Allah]. Thanwi responds that there is no doubt about the necessity of truthfulness in Allah's intrinsic self-speech. However, the argument concerns Allah's uttered-speech which is created - the position of the Maturidis. As a creation, uttered-speech necessitates Allah's power over it, and power allows for opposites. Therefore, the possibility of lying in Allah's created speech cannot be denied.

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    Imkan al-Kadhib
    Mawlana Ashraf Ali Thanwi

    Question
    Regarding imkn al-kadhib, one scholar gave a speech that gave rise to some
    doubt [in the questioner]- namely that the attribute of speech (kalm) for
    Allah is eternal and all His attributes are characterized by perfection whereas
    lying (kadhib) is a defect (naqs) and flaw (`ayb). Being transcendent from it is
    necessary (daruri). Thus, the attribute of the attribute (sifat ka sifat),
    meaning truthfulness (sidq) [in this case], will be eternal also and so its
    opposite is not possible. [Allahs] power has no relation over these attributes
    because power relates to the possible (mumkint) and the attributes [of
    Allah] are eternal. His speech being truthful eternally and everlastingly is
    necessary for the reason that all the attributes are ones of perfection. A flaw
    is not poss ible within it and thus lying is not-possible.

    Answer
    Regarding the matter of possibility and impossibility, then there is no doubt in
    the exquisiteness and reality of the statement [above], but it relates wholly to
    the self-speech (kalm nafs) [of Allah]. Thus, at this level the intrinsic
    necessity of truthfulness (sidq) and the intrinsic impossibility of lying (kadhib)
    is something no one differs on.

    Rather, the argument is concerning uttered-speech (kalm lafdh) when it is


    an act (af`l) and created (makhlq), which is the position of the Maturidis.

    Therefore, the above statement does not apply here. Yet the act being a
    creation necessitates power (qudrat) over it and power is always associated
    with opposites due to which the linkage of such qudrat over truthfulness.

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    2 Responses to Imkan al-Kadhib Explained by Ml. Thanwi
    Have Courage to know Truth --- A Sunni says:
    May 18, 2012 at 9:48 am
    Why person who psoted this didnt tell readers .. as who asked this question.

    Reply
    Ahmad Tariq says:
    July 12, 2012 at 11:27 am
    I dont understand. Does Ashraf Ali Thanwi simply mean that it is possible

    that Allah creates lies? Such as a person lying about something? Then
    thats the position of the asha3irah as well. Whoever doubts whether it is
    possible or not for Allah to create lying commits kufr. Surely Allah can
    create lies.

    BUT it is impossible that there should be lies/untruthfulness in Allahs


    eternal speech AND in what Allah reveals in the Quran or to the Prophet,
    3alayhis salatu was salam.

    Can you clarify what Ashraf Ali Thanwi meant?

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