TV Repeater's Repeater: Boulder Amateur Television Club
TV Repeater's Repeater: Boulder Amateur Television Club
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Boulder Amateur
Television Club
TV Repeater's
REPEATER
September, 2020
3ed edition
MHz was indeed well-suited for such use. The four-hour trial run on 144.600 and
145.300 MHz attracted a group of 27 participants and a video was made available to
instruct them in the use of the software used to decode the images.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6vlRV1s3Hg For receivers, they used the RTL-
SDR.COM, USB TV tuner dongle. For transmitters, they used the BATC Portsdown.
Jaap, PA2JSA, further reports: DATV connections where confirmed from more than 27
stations in The Netherlands as well as from the UK and Belgium. For feedback on
received DATV stations a talk back channel was used, via http://dxspot.batc.org.uk/
Best DX was 403 km, PI4D received by G4YTV. The specifications for the DATV
experiment on the 2 meter band in the Netherlands are: DVB-S2, H.256, QPSK, std.
resolution (PAL 536 lines), 125 ks, FEC 1/2 and bandwidth of 162 kHz. The video
signal was coded by the HEVC 265 standard (High Efficiency Video Codec). H.256 has
50% less bandwidh compared to the H.264 codec. At this URL you can find all detailed
information about this experiment on the 2 meter band in the English language from
PE1ITR. http://pe1itr.com/144mhz/datv-2m.htm
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W8URI (DVB-T) in Mt. Gilead, OH rceived WB8LGA's analog (A5) 70cm video in
direct by AH2AR in Vandalia, OH, 84 miles Morrow county, OH to W8BI rptr in Huber
Heights, OH (80 miles)
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We have voted not to stream on any commercial public media platform{i.e. YouTube,
ZOOM etc}. We do use IPTV technology from the THOR Broadcast equipment we own
at our repeater sites along with our media server to stream to membership when away
from QTH due to business travel, vacation etc. Members have IP access to Network link
for rf local transmit using a pin assigned number {IP in, rf out}. Just a note no HiDes
equipment in repeater network. We are using 6 MHz BW on our system. Each site has
eight inputs, Outputs all DVB-S2, H.265 with the exception of the Vista site which has
analog and digital mix in and out for the old timers in our group with their gear that are
still in working order. Experimentation with the LimeSDR is being conducted with our
STEM students. No further planned expansion of our network outside counties of San
Diego we are pretty much done. Just maintaining what we have and lots of smart people
on board to help and we have lots of fun like your group does. No interference issues.
73 de Mario, KD6ILO
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The first input component is the mixer. A very good quality, double-balanced mixer
should be used here (not a cheap Chinese one ! - I found out the hard way.). The mixer I
used was an E-Bay, surplus Watkins-Johnson model M-14 for C-band 4-8GHz. Diode
mixers typically require +7dBm of LO drive power, or more. A good mixer with the
proper LO drive power will then have about -6dB of conversion loss. A +7dBm mixer
will typically have it's input IF drive -1dB compression point at about -7dB below the LO
drive level, i.e. at 0dBm. For digital TV signals, it is extremely important to maintain
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excellent linearity in all the components in the transmitter chain. DTV signal strength is
expressed as the RMS value because it is a noise like signal with indistinguishable peaks
and valleys. For DVB-T we have found that it is necessary to allow at least 10dB or
more head-room above the RMS value to accommodate the peaks in the noise like signal.
Thus for our input mixer, if the -1dB compression point is 0dBm, then our input DVB-T,
IF signal must be < -10dBm. At -10dBm IF input, with -6dB mixer conversion loss, the
mixer's RF output will be -16dBm.
The final RF power amplifier then becomes the modified TXPA58002W5. It's -1dB gain
compression point is +33dBm. Backing off 10dB, we can thus expect to legitimately get
+23dBm (RMS) of DVB-T power from this amplifier and still have acceptable, out of
channel, spectrum shoulders. (note: the typical value used for ATV is -30dB shoulder
break-points ). So with +23dBm output and a final amp gain of 32dB, the required input
drive to the final is thus -9dBm. From our above mixer calculations, we see that we will
not get that much power from the mixer. Thus we will need an additional driver amplifier
gain stage.
The driver amplifier used is the KH6HTV Video model UWBA-103. It is a low cost
amplifier at $35 for an assembled and tested pc board version. The key specs for it are:
20dB gain, +20dBm (-1dB), 250kHz - 3GHz (-3dB bandwidth). While it is rated to 3
GHz, that is the -3dB BW. The amplifier still performs well at 5.8GHz. At 5.8, it has
12dB of gain and +9dBm (-1dB). This is plenty for this application.
The other components in the block diagram are optional, but good engineering practice
dictates that they also be used. The RF output from the mixer will contain leakage of the
LO frequency and both the upper and lower sidebands, LO + IF & LO - IF. We only
want to use one of the sidebands. So we need to filter out the opposite sideband. If it is
a good quality, double-balanced mixer, most of the LO will already be suppressed. With
a good mixer, the LO leakage is down about -40dB from the input LO drive level. For
Notch Filters, I have a found a very simple, and easy to build notch filter is to simply use
an SMA tee and attach a short SMA cable to the third port of the tee. I then cut this cable
to form an open-circuited stub. At 1/4 λ, or odd multiples, this open circuit presents a
short circuit at the tee junction. With this technique one can easily get a -25 to -30dB
notch at the desired frequency. With the particular LO, IF & RF frequencies I used, I
had only about -1dB loss at the desired rf output frequency with my notch filters.
The resultant transmitter was designed to transmit on 5.678 GHz. The LO that was used
was a Frequency West brick oscillator on 6.0924 GHz. Thus the resultant IF required
was 414.4 MHz. The IF drive power used was -13dBm to get +23dBm of RF output. A
Hi-Des model HV-320E modulator was used to provide the IF, DVB-T signal.
73 de Jim, KH6HTV
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23cm BIG DISH: Thank you again Jim for the newsletter. --- The
Lime SDR Mini caught me by surprise. I am bookmarking pages to learn more about this
little gem. I can think of so many apps for it. Just need time.
I about have my new 15’ surface and feed optimized for the ARRL Fall, EME 23cm
contest. Sun noise and echo tests show it to be my best system to date. Even SSB, EME
echoes are Q5 with 850 Watts at the feed. The solid state KW amp is behind the dish-
hidden by some of my wife’s Shasta Daisies. As a size comparison, the green disk at the
center of the dish is 11” in diameter. If you look carefully, you can see my pup Dolly
looking on with approval. I am old school - CW & SSB.
73 de Dale, W4OP
Editor's note: The valid signal mod for the Hi-Des receivers, Dave refers to is described
in KH6HTV Video app. note, AN-23e, pp. 5-6. Mel, K0PFX, St. Louis, has produced
mini-pc boards for the circuit. See the July newsletter, issue #50, pp. 13-14.
AB0MY's 10GHz rig at Rabbit Mtn. WB2DVS/DVT -> AB0MY, 18.7 miles
N0YE -> WB2DVS/DVT, 5.6 miles WB2DVS/DVT -> NOYE, 5.6 miles
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N0YE -> K0JOY, 14.3 miles Ed, K0JOY, 10 GHz station on Mt. Joy
OK, so we are now out to 23 miles (37) km). We have a long ways to go yet. The world
record is 287 miles (463 km) for 10 GHz using DVB-S. It was set in 2012 by JA0RUZ &
JA0DAE in Japan. For a list of various DATV distance records for bands from 50 MHz
to 76 GHz see W6HHC, Ken's list on the Orange County ham club's web site:
http://www.w6ze.org/DATV/Known-DATV-DX-Records.pdf