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5-2"CP_Neutral_Flt"
Refer to Diagnostic System Procedure, "Propel Control Proximity Switch - Test"
( CB-434D and CB-534D only)Neutral Fault: ( CB-434D and CB-534D only) The neutral
indications of the handle sensor and the proximity sensor do not agree.Incorrectly adjusted
proximity switch. Faulty connection. Faulty handle position sensor. Faulty proximity sensor.
5-2"CP_Neutral_Flt"
Refer to Diagnostic System Procedure, "Propel Shift Solenoid - Test"
( CB-564D and IRH only)Speed Valve: The output has an open or short to battery / ground. CB-
564D and IRH only Open circuit. Short to battery or ground. Faulty coil. Poor connection.
Customer reply
I really appreciate your help. Right now I'm where the machine is at the job site. I'm the only one
who more or less can speak English I hope you van really help me before leaving the site. Again
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Do you know how to adjust proximity switch ? Or what type of test should I perform? Thanks
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That fall code is for neutral position fault. However there is no troubleshooting guide for the neutral
fault in the manuals. You will need to use this forward one.
Forward Propel
System Operation Description:
Note: When performing this procedure, the potentiometer for variable speed control needs to be
turned fully clockwise. On machines equipped with this feature, this dial is on the instrument panel.
Test Step 1. DETERMINE THE PROBLEM.
The forward propel function can fail in two ways. The machine may be stuck in forward propel or
the machine may not travel forward.
Results:
STUCK IN FORWARD - The machine is stuck in the forward mode. Proceed to Test Step 2.
NO FORWARD TRAVEL - The machine will not travel forward. Proceed to Test Step 5.
Test Step 2. CHECK THE JOYSTICK POSITION SENSOR.
At the back of the harness connector for the sensor, insert the probe of the 7X-1710 Multimeter
Probe along the signal wire (contact 3).
At the back of the harness connector for the sensor, insert the other 7X-1710 Multimeter Probe
along the ground wire (contact 2).
Turn the disconnect switch and the key start switch to the ON position.
Monitor the signal of the sensor with the(###) ###-####Digital Multimeter .
Move the joystick to the NEUTRAL position. Check the signal. The signal should be operating at a
50% duty cycle.
Move the joystick slowly forward. Check the signal.

Expected Result:
The value for the duty cycle starts at 50% in the center position and then the signal rises above
50% as the joystick is moved forward.
Results:
OK - The value for the duty cycle starts at 50% in the center position and then the signal rises
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above 50% as the joystick is moved forward. The joystick position sensor is operating normally.
Proceed to Test Step 3.
NOT OK - The value for the duty cycle starts above 50% in the center position and then the signal
remains above 50% as the joystick is moved forward. The signal from the jostick is incorrect.
Repair: Re-check the operation of the joystick and replace the joystick if the problem remains.
Stop.
Test Step 3. CHECK THE CIRCUIT FROM THE ECM TO THE FORWARD PROPEL SOLENOID.
Turn the key start switch and the disconnect switch to the OFF position.
At the ECM connector, remove the K725-GN wire from socket 35.
Turn the key start switch and the disconnect switch to the ON position.
Start the machine to check for forward movement. Then, turn off the engine.
Expected Result:
The machine will not move forward.
Results:
OK - The machine does not move forward.

Repair: The machine does not move after the wire is removed from the ECM. The ECM may be
incorrectly sending a signal to the solenoid. The ECM may have failed. Exit this procedure and
perform this entire procedure again. If the problem with the ECM remains, replace the ECM. See
Testing and Adjusting, "Electronic Control Module (ECM ) - Replace".
Stop.
NOT OK - The machine moves forward. The circuit from the ECM to the solenoid may be shorted
to +battery. Proceed to Test Step 4
Test Step 4. CHECK THE SOLENOID CIRCUIT FOR A SHORT TO +BATTERY.
The key start switch and the disconnect remain in the ON position.
At the wire that was removed from the ECM connector (K725-GN), measure the voltage from the
wire to frame ground.
Expected Result:
No voltage is present.
Results:
OK - No voltage is present.
Repair: No voltage is present but the machine still travels forward when the engine is started. The
solenoid may have failed. Replace the solenoid and resume normal machine operation. If a new
solenoid does not solve the problem, check the pump. 1
Stop.
NOT OK - Voltage is present.

Repair: The wiring harness has failed. Repair the wiring harness or replace the wiring harness.
Stop.
Test Step 5. CHECK THE BRAKES.
Place the propel lever in the neutral position.
Release the parking brake switch.

Expected Result:
The lamp for the brakes turns OFF.
Results:
YES - The lamp for the brakes turns OFF. The machine still does not move forward. Proceed to
Test Step 6.
NO - The lamp for the brakes remains ON.

Repair: Troubleshoot the brake system. The brake system includes the following components:
neutral start relay number 1, neutral start relay number 2, brake release latching relay, brake
release relay and brake release solenoid. See the schematic at the beginning of this procedure.
Stop.
Test Step 6. CHECK THE BRAKE SOLENOID.
The disconnect and the key start switch remain in the ON position.
Ensure that the brake switch is in the OFF position.
At the brake release solenoid, measure the voltage from contact 1 to contact 2.
Expected Result:
The voltage is approximately 12 DCV.
Results:
OK - The voltage is approximately 12 DCV. Proceed to Test Step 7.
NOT OK - The voltage is less than 12 DCV. There is a problem with the brake system.
Repair: Troubleshoot the brake system. The brake system includes the following components:
brake switch, neutral start relay number 1, neutral start relay number 2, brake release latching
relay, brake release relay and brake release solenoid. See the schematic at the beginning of this
procedure.
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Stop.
At the back of the harness connector for the ECM, insert the probe of the 7X-1710 Multimeter
At the back of the harness connector for the ECM, insert the other 7X-1710 Multimeter Probe
Turn the disconnect switch and the key start switch to the ON position.
50% duty cycle at 500 Hz.

Expected Result:
50% as the joystick is moved forward. The frequency is constant at 500 Hz.
Results:
above 50% as the joystick is moved forward. The frequency is 500 Hz. The joystick position
sensor is operating normally. Proceed to Test Step 10.
NOT OK - The value for the duty cycle is incorrect or the frequency is not be 500 Hz. The signal
from the jostick is incorrect. Proceed to Test Step 8.
Test Step 8. CHECK FOR POWER AND GROUND AT THE JOYSTICK.
The disconnect switch and the key start switch remain in the ON position.
At the back of the harness connector for the joystick, insert the probe of the 7X-1710 Multimeter
Probe along the power wire 135-BU (contact 1).
Probe along the ground wire 200-BK (contact 2).
Measure the voltage from contact 1 to contact 2.

Expected Result:
The voltage is approximately 12 volts.
Results:
OK - The voltage is approximately 12 volts. Proceed to Test Step 9.
NOT OK - No voltage is present. The wiring harness has failed. 1

Repair: Repair the wiring harness
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Stop.
At the back of the harness connector for the joystick, insert the other 7X-1710 Multimeter Probe
50% duty cycle at 500 Hz.

Expected Result:
50% as the joystick is moved forward. The frequency is constant at 500 Hz.
Results:
above 50% as the joystick is moved forward. The frequency is 500 Hz. The joystick position
sensor is operating normally.
Repair: The signal wire is open between the joystick and the ECM. Repair the wiring harness or
replace the wiring harness.
Stop.
NOT OK - The value for the duty cycle is incorrect or the frequency is not be 500 Hz. The signal
from the jostick is incorrect.
Repair: The joystick may have failed. Recheck the joystick and replace the joystick if the problem
remains.
Stop.
Test Step 10. CHECK THE GROUND CIRCUIT AT THE SOLENOID.
Turn the key start switch and the disconnect switch to the OFF position.
At the solenoid, measure the resistance from contact 4 to frame ground.

Expected Result:
The resistance is less than 5 ohms.

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YES - The resistance is less than 5 ohms. The ground circuit is good. Proceed to Test Step 11.
NO - The resistance is over 5 ohms. The resistance is excessive.

Repair: The ground circuit has failed. Repair the ground circuit.
Stop.
Test Step 11. CHECK THE OUTPUT TO THE SOLENOID.
The key start switch and disconnect switch remain in the ON position.
At the back of the harness connector for the solenoid, remove the signal wire K725-GN.
At the solenoid, connect one lead from the multimeter to contact 3. Connect the other lead from
the multimeter to the removed wire K725-GN.
Start the machine and move the propel lever to the forward position.
Measure the current.

Expected Result:
The current is 0 mA is neutral and rises to 1200 mA as the lever is moved forward.
Results:
OK - The current is 0 mA in neutral and rises to 1200 mA as the lever is moved forward. The
proper current is reaching the solenoid. Proceed to Test Step 13.
NOT OK - The current is 0 mA is neutral and does not rise as the lever is moved forward. The
proper signal is not reaching the solenoid. Proceed to Test Step 12.
Test Step 12. CHECK FOR AN OPEN CIRCUIT.
Turn the key start switch and disconnect switch to the OFF position.
Remove the machine harness from the ECM.
At the harness connector for the ECM, connect one lead from the multimeter contact 36 (wire
K725-GN).
At the propel control solenoid, disconnect the 4 pin connector and connect the other lead from the
multimeter to wire K725-GN.
Measure the resistance of wire K725-GN.

Expected Result:
The resistance is less than 5 ohms.
Results: 1
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is not open. The ECM isquestion?
not sending the
proper signal to the solenoid.
Repair: The ECM may have failed. Ensure that the brake circuit is correct and the signal for brake
release is reaching the ECM. If the problem remains, contact the Technical Communicator at the
dealership for possible consultation with Caterpillar. This consultation may greatly reduce repair
time.
Stop.
NOT OK - The resistance is over 5000 ohms. The circuit is open between the ECM and the
solenoid.
Repair: Repair the wiring harness or replace the wiring harness.
Stop.
Test Step 13. CHECK THE COIL OF THE SOLENOID.
At the solenoid, measure the resistance between contact 3 and contact 4.
Expected Result:
The resistance is 10 ohms.
Results:
OK - The resistance is 10 ohms. The coil of the solenoid is OK.

Repair: The electronic portion of the forward propel function is not the source of the problem. Exit
this procedure and perform this procedure again. If the cause of the problem is not found, check
the hydraulics and the propel motor.
Stop.
NOT OK - The resistance is not 10 ohms.

Repair: The solenoid has failed. Replace the solenoid.
Stop.
Customer reply
Ok let me read it carefully. Is there a way to move it to load it to the lowboy. Like a bypass or
something?
DAN, Technician
Click below for a schematic also to help... Ill see if there are any tow bypass valves... let me see
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Service information
DAN, Technician
Secondary and parking brake features* Spring-applied/hydraulically released brake on front

and rear drums. Actuated by switch on console or automatically when pressure is lost in brake
circuit or when engine is shut off. A manual release pump is included. * All machines sold within
European Union are equipped with a brake release pump which allows the manual release of
the secondary brake system for towing the machine.
Customer reply
Dan solved problem the issue was on a silly Billy bolt that almost makes contact to a sensor on
neutral. Moved it a bit closer and it worked. Thanks any ways for all your help.
DAN, Technician
Thanks for the update and glad to hear you got this resolved. It's been a pleasure working with
you on this.
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Customer reply
Hi Dan so I got some updates. The machine was able to load on the lowboy. But I notice a few
times in which the machine was moving forward or backwards and as soon as I started to play
with the potentiometer and the switch beside it the machine showed the error again 52. I just turn
the machine off then back on and started working fine again. This was until we tried to load it,
when the front roller hit the lowboy ramp and the machine didn't have the enough push or power to
over pass the small ramp, the machine stopped again and needed to be reset (turn off and on) so
it could start moving again. Next time I took some distance and speed so the roller could go over
the ramp with enough momentum. So the main question is why do you think it comes a time in
which the machine lacks of power for any reason may be a bump on the way or the lowboy ramp
and not been able to pass over it the machine protects it self won't move back or fwd with code 52
flashing until its reset. Any help its gladly appreciated
DAN, Technician 1
If it was still trying to travel up the ramps but you had no power in the engine rpm's remained
consistent than it sounds more like either a hydraulic pump or drive motor problem or the circuit
going over relief prematurely. I would take a look in your hydraulic filter for fine metal debris that
would look like glitter in the oil and filter which would indicate a pump or component failure. Also if
you can prevent movement you can disconnect the case drain hose from the drive motor and put
a hydraulic plug on the hose then run a hose from the case drain into an empty bucket. Slowly
engaged drive with travel prevented and monitor the case drain as it should come out in low-
volume. If it comes out under high pressure or volume your drive motor is bad. I'll check and see if
I can find anything else about a self protection function but off the top of my head I'm not aware of
one.
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System Operation Description:

Test Step 1. DETERMINE THE PROBLEM.

Monitor the signal of the sensor with the(###) ###-####Digital Multimeter .

Move the joystick slowly forward. Check the signal.

The machine will not move forward.

OK - The machine does not move forward.

NOT OK - Voltage is present.

Test Step 5. CHECK THE BRAKES.

Place the propel lever in the neutral position.

Release the parking brake switch.

The lamp for the brakes turns OFF.

NO - The lamp for the brakes remains ON.

Test Step 6. CHECK THE BRAKE SOLENOID.

Ensure that the brake switch is in the OFF position.

The voltage is approximately 12 DCV.

OK - The voltage is approximately 12 DCV. Proceed to Test Step 7.

Monitor the signal of the sensor with the(###) ###-####Digital Multimeter .

Move the joystick slowly forward. Check the signal.

Measure the voltage from contact 1 to contact 2.

The voltage is approximately 12 volts.

OK - The voltage is approximately 12 volts. Proceed to Test Step 9.

NOT OK - No voltage is present. The wiring harness has failed. 1

Test Step 9. CHECK THE JOYSTICK POSITION SENSOR.

Monitor the signal of the sensor with the(###) ###-####Digital Multimeter .

Move the joystick slowly forward. Check the signal.

Test Step 10. CHECK THE GROUND CIRCUIT AT THE SOLENOID.

At the solenoid, measure the resistance from contact 4 to frame ground.

The resistance is less than 5 ohms.

NO - The resistance is over 5 ohms. The resistance is excessive.

Test Step 11. CHECK THE OUTPUT TO THE SOLENOID.

Measure the current.

Remove the machine harness from the ECM.

Measure the resistance of wire K725-GN.

The resistance is less than 5 ohms.

Test Step 13. CHECK THE COIL OF THE SOLENOID.

At the solenoid, measure the resistance between contact 3 and contact 4.

The resistance is 10 ohms.

OK - The resistance is 10 ohms. The coil of the solenoid is OK.

NOT OK - The resistance is not 10 ohms.

Secondary and parking brake features* Spring-applied/hydraulically released brake on front

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