A Qualitative Exploration of Discourses in Fan Community - R - Boys
A Qualitative Exploration of Discourses in Fan Community - R - Boys
A Qualitative Exploration of Discourses in Fan Community - R - Boys
6-2022
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A QUALITATIVE EXPLORATION OF DISCOURSES IN FAN
COMMUNITY, /r/BOYSLOVE
by
JESSICA LIN
A master’s thesis submitted to the Graduate Faculty in Women’s and Gender Studies in partial
fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of Master of Arts, The City University of New
York
2022
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JESSICA LIN
by
Jessica Lin
This manuscript has been read and accepted for the Graduate Faculty in Women’s
and Gender Studies in satisfaction of the thesis requirement for the degree of Master
of Arts.
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The Boys Love (BL) genre, which tells stories of male-male romantic and sexual relationships, and
originates in Japan, has made strides through transnational and transcultural engagement across
countries, aided heavily by the internet age. I examine the development of the BL genre from its
controversial beginnings to its feminist response as well as queer reception. Over the course of fifty
years, the genre has exploded in popularity, becoming a more progressive medium of social
change. As BL has become more diverse in content and broken with older conventions of the
genre, what are the current discourses among the BL fan space? I answer this question through
thematic analysis of r/boyslove, a community on the popular social media platform Reddit. The
generated themes were: (1) Don’t Yuck my Yum, (2) Fantasy vs. Reality, and (3) Progressiveness
in the BL space. Fan discourses highlight an enduring sense of shame for fans’ enjoyment of BL. In
these conversations, participants deliberated the functions of consuming BL purely as fantasy and
the importance of critically reading BL, keeping in mind real life consequences for gender and
sexual minorities. The r/boyslove community acknowledged moral and political concerns around
BL but also see the genre as a medium of change. Ultimately, discourses among BL fans show how
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Table of Contents
Queering BL ....................................................................................................................... 11
Bibliography ................................................................................................................................... 35
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List of Figures
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List of Tables
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Section 1: Introduction
The genre of Boys Love (BL) depicts male homoerotic stories and was popularized by
Japanese writers and readers. This might give the impression of tolerance towards gay men in
Japan, but closer inspection of the creation and consumption reveals that BL is only tangentially
linked to the lives of gay men (McLelland & Welker, 2015). In Japan, it is assumed to be a genre
that was exclusively created by and for heterosexual women. Later researchers found that this
widely held belief is not entirely accurate (McLelland & Welker, 2015). Starting in shoujo manga
publishers. BL stemmed from the early 1970s subgenre of shoujo manga called bishounen
(beautiful boy) comics which told stories of beautiful, androgynous teenage boys falling in love,
often in a European setting (Mizoguchi, 2003). While shoujo manga targeted a readership of girls
and young women, the actual audience includes men and older demographics (Mizoguchi, 2003).
Later in the 1980s, the Japanese word yaoi (やおい) was used in the subculture as a self-
deprecating remark. The term was an abbreviation of Yama nashi, Ochi nashi, Imi nashi (山場なし
the time of creation, the term specifically referred to doujinshi (amateur published parody works)
that utilized characters from popular culture and were often pornographic with generally poor
storytelling. Doujinshi were the most common noncommercial channel of BL distribution and
included media in the form of webcomics, games, and anime. Commercially, manga and light
novels were the most common form of BL, but other forms of distributed media include live action
movies, audio dramas, anime and video games (McLelland &Welker, 2015). In the 1990s,
commercial magazines specializing in male homosexual fictions emerged; however, the characters
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were no longer androgynous teenage boys like in “beautiful boy” comics, and therefore publishers
then coined the term “Boys love” or “Bii Eru/BL” (Mizoguchi, 2003). While yaoi has
predominantly been used to refer to noncommercial works, and BL has been used to refer to
commercial publication, there have been overlaps of term usage (McLelland, 2015). In its country
of origin, the genre is at the present, most commonly referred to as ‘BL.’ Fans are often called and
call themselves fujoshi (腐女子), a self-ridiculing title that modifies the polite term for women and
girls to mean “rotten girls/women.” Fujoshis acknowledged their obsession with BL as socially
abnormal and embraced their rottenness (McLelland & Welker, 2015). In Japan, BL-related goods
and media brought in approximately twenty-two billion yen or 219 million USD in annual
domestic market sales in the 2010s (Yano Research Institute, 2017). Since the 1980s, BL has
popularized and expanded to other countries around the globe, dramatically increasing the number
of fans and creators, especially in the current century with the help of social media and web
communities (Welker, 2022). Publishers in the United States were slow to adapt the term “Boys
convention in the United States founded in 2001, solidified the use of the term yaoi. Both terms
started being used interchangeably by fans to refer to all content depicting romantic and sexual
relationships between males that targeted female audiences (Mizoguchi, 2003). However, for fans
today, the word BL has emerged as the more popular umbrella term when referring to any male-
male fictional romance, while yaoi contains a more erotic connotation. Although born in Japan, BL
has since expanded through global online and offline communities of international fans who create,
BL as Contemporary Media
The Boys Love (BL) genre, which tells stories of male-male romantic and sexual
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relationships, and originates in Japan, has made strides through transnational and transcultural
engagement across countries, aided heavily by the internet age. I examine the development of the
BL genre from its beginnings of controversy to its feminist response as well as queer reception.
Over the course of fifty years, the genre has exploded in popularity, becoming a more progressive
medium of social change. As BL has become more diverse in content and broken with older
conventions of its genre, what are the current discourses among the BL fan space? I answer this
question through thematic analysis of r/boyslove, a community on the popular social media
platform Reddit. The generated themes were: (1) Don’t Yuck my Yum, (2) Fantasy vs. Reality, and
(3) Progressiveness in the BL space. Fan discourses highlight an enduring sense of shame for fans’
purely as fantasy and the importance of critically reading BL, keeping in mind real life
consequences for gender and sexual minorities. The r/boyslove community acknowledged moral
and political concerns around BL and see the genre as a medium of change. Ultimately, discourses
Traditional Characteristics of BL
BL has been a perplexing genre with misalignments. Its stories often excluded women or
contained misogynistic portrayals (i.e., crazy ex-girlfriend, creepy stalker), despite most creators
and consumers being women. It also celebrated male homosexuality without participation of gay
men. It is a relatively new genre that rose in the age of the internet but follows established romance
physically masculine character who plays the top in sex (“seme”) and a passive, physically
feminine character who plays bottom in sex (“uke”). Following bishounen traditions, they are often
depicted as aestheticized, attractive, and beautiful boys. The genre embraces emotions of
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happiness, suffering, feelings of guilt, shame and loneliness that occurs with loving a person of the
same sex. Contradictory feelings of love alongside hate may forge the bond between the main
couples in BL. Some key characteristics comprising BL narratives include sexual and emotional
abuse, traumatic life events, mental health issues and suicide (Mizoguchi, 2008). Mizoguchi (2008)
conducted a structural analysis of BL stories from the late 1990s and identified four tropes: (1) rape
activities, (3) fixed seme/uke roles corresponding to masculine/feminine role, (4) sex almost
always involves anal intercourse1. Outside of this formula, she also discussed additional emerging
trends in BL: more protagonists possess a clear gay identity, increase in graphic/realistic depictions
of male bodies, and lesbians as brethren to the main couple (Mizoguchi, 2008). Further
developments in BL conventions will be discussed later. While BL, with its melodramatic and
sexual elements has received much love among fans, there has also been plenty of controversies
Yaoi Ronsou
Since BL does narrate stories of male-male relationships, some may assume that gay men
comprise a significant part of the audience, but there has been a tense relationship between the BL
community and gay community. One critique of BL was the homophobia embedded in its
with the trope embodied by the phrase: “I’m not gay, I only love you.” Gay identity was rejected in
order to illustrate exclusive attraction between the main couple and not to men in general.
Mizoguchi (2008) further analyzed this trope in the BL formula as a narrative device used to
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For more a more in-depth analysis of BL tropes, read Mizoguchi (2008) chapter 3.
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emphasize the challenge against consummating the relationship. Narratives become more dramatic
when presenting a difficult obstacle. The romance that perseveres, despite the challenges presented,
would be perceived as a purer love. Regardless of social stigma, characters would still convey their
affections for each other. On the other hand, some argued that this BL trope supported
deny homosexuality, and be troubled by guilt or aversion towards the idea of same sex attraction.
Some argue that such narratives in BL reinforces society’s heterosexism by excluding gay men
(Hitoshi, 2015). Despite such criticisms, BL supporters have argued that the production and
consumption of male homoerotic romance stories has had an accumulatively positive impact on the
perception of possible masculinities (McLelland & Welker, 2015). The popularization of soft
masculinities across Japanese popular culture is demonstrated through the success of idols and boy
bands who feature men with slender frames and beautiful faces. In this way, an alternate
masculinity that was previously limited to gay men, have reached mainstream representation
Yaoi Ronsou or “The Yaoi Debate” exemplifies tensions surrounding the BL subculture. In
1992, Satou Masaki, a gay activist and drag queen, wrote to Choisir, a small feminist magazine
dedicated to discussion about female sexuality by women. He felt attacked as a gay man by women
creating and enjoying yaoi. He accused the genre and its participants of generating a skewed image
of gay men as young, beautiful, intelligent and regarding those who fail to fit that image as “gomi”
(garbage) (Lungsing, 2006). Satou was concerned about the portrayal of gay characters as being
unrealistic depictions of gay men (Lungsing, 2006). He additionally cites Lucky-kun by Takaguchi
Satosumi, explaining how he enjoyed the story until to his displeasure, one character died and the
partner who remained decided to marry a woman and start a family. Satou saw this as a denial of
gay lifestyles and the impossibility of happiness for gay men. Later on, he admitted to enjoying BL
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but remained against yaoi (subgenre that focused more on explicit sex) and its objectification of
defended the genre as creations based on pure unrestrained fantasy and not with the goal of
depicting realities of gay men and their lives. Mizoguchi (2008) and McLelland (2006) both argued
that BL stories are imaginary universes where lovers only see each other to the fantastical extent of
idealized love, and that these stories are not intended to portray ‘real’ gay men nor straight men.
McLelland (2000) additionally investigated Japanese gay pornography produced by and for gay
men and questioned to what extent even this media actually depicted realities of gay men and their
lives. He pointed out that the gay pornography, at the time, replicated heterosexual porn with the
exception that the female role would be replaced by a younger male. Gay produced media largely
comprised of nothing but unrealistic pornography and advice on how to get sex, as opposed to
realistic narratives of gay lifestyles (McLelland, 2000). While both gay pornographies made by
men, and yaoi by women, may depict gay men unrealistically, the trend of criticism targets the BL
BL as Feminist Refuge
BL scholarship has frequently focused on the genre’s feminist politics and its origins as
women’s counterculture against patriarchy. Many past studies on BL have explored the reasons
underlying BL’s popularity and young women’s fascination with male-male homoerotic fictions
(McLelland & Welker, 2015; Mizoguchi, 2008; Zsila et. al., 2018; Zsila & Zsolt, 2017).
Researchers have pointed out a collective resistance against restrictive gender roles as a main
driving factor in the creation of the BL genre (McLelland & Welker, 2015). The inclusion of
dramatic elements may also function therapeutically for fans who have gone through similar
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experiences (Zsila & Zsolt, 2017). As a queer, Chinese American woman, I have found that
altered gender constructs. Unlike conventional heterosexual romance narratives, which replicated
gendered stereotypes (‘men lead, women follow’) and sexist social structures, BL contravened
expectations and depicted male-male physical and emotional intimacies that subverted gender. It
helped open my eyes to new possibilities that conservative schooling, as well as mainstream
From a feminist perspective, early BL works were about women and their desires, which
were strategically conveyed through aestheticization of androgynous boys (see Figure 1) and their
love for each other (Welker, 2006). The combination of androgynous visualization with anatomical
maleness acted as devices for readers’ identification and disidentification respectively. The set-up
of beautiful boys desiring other beautiful boys allowed for women to gaze from the safety of the
observer position, blissfully excluded. A character may hold a stereotypically feminine role
(sexually abused, harassed) in the story but his anatomical maleness prevents female readers from
identifying with him and perceiving the sexual abuse on themselves. The character’s maleness and
homosexuality produced a shield for women, as well as a sandbox for experimentation with gender
and sexuality (Mizoguchi, 2008). The anatomical maleness of characters in BL acts as a driving
force behind women’s disidentification from oppressive gender roles and into a fantasy of male
homoeroticism.
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Figure 1. Cover of Kaze to ki no uta (Song of Wind and Trees) © Keiko Takemiya/
While early BL in the form of bishounen comics first emerged as a function of avoidance
and escape from social gender oppression, Yaoi, with its portrayal of male-male sexual intercourse
also played a key role in the creation of the BL fandom and feminist counterculture (Saito, 2011). It
shifted readers’ positions from passive to active and allowed women to further play with sex and
where women were able to share personal thoughts and desires with fellow members. Without the
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pressure of outsider judgment, they freely expressed their sexual fantasies through outlets such as
creating doujinshi or participating in online role play (Fujimoto, 2007 as cited in Zsila &
Demetrovics, 2017). Yaoi in particular, which was self-defined by fujoshis as having no point and
no meaning, facilitated experimentation with sexuality, through fantasy elements and separation
from reality (Galbraith, 2011). Zsila and Demetrovics (2017) suggested dissociation from gender
struggles and projection onto fictional male characters as significant factors for fans’ motivations.
Additionally, the male-male pairings offered women with a safe zone where they were liberated
and can take on the role of spectator, instead of the gendered object of the male gaze and
emancipation, making space for female sexuality, a matter that society frequently neglects and
oppresses. Women can appease sexual curiosities without the discomfort of feeling sexually
objectified. Yaoi doujinshi, which can be comparable to slash fictions in the U.S, established a
community of BL fans who removed the lines between audience, creator, and distributor. Through
published postscripts, letters or forums, content creators and consumers engage in candid
discussions about sexuality in a mutually supportive manner as fans (Mizoguchi, 2008). As a result,
bonding through exchange of fantasies of male homoeroticism. This intimate community has been
called a “virtual lesbian space” where women’s bonds are cultivated, and “virtual sex” occurs
In a qualitative study, Chinese female authors of BL stories reported three main discursive
of heteropatriarchal gender norms through the female gaze, and the imagination of female power in
negotiation with state discourses.” (Chang & Tian, 2020, p.7). These Chinese fans, through
creating male-male homoerotic fantasy fictions, produce and share a more democratic model of
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romantic and sexual relationships. Furthermore, depictions of homoerotic scenes point to a
confrontational stance against China’s censorship and the Chinese ruling party’s dominant
Confucianist ethos (Chang & Tian, 2020). Thus, the BL genre becomes an imaginary space where
female fans can break away from the gender hierarchy and dare to realize their bold fantasies. Yaoi
doujinshi, in particular, where women reappropriated characters from existing texts often marketed
towards male audiences, and transferred them into homosexual scenarios, including rape and
bondage play, exemplified women’s agency in a space traditionally reserved for men’s sexual
fantasies (Fujimoto, 2015). From a liberatory perspective, BL narratives freed female readers from
fixed identities with the absence of female characters, allowing for erotic autonomy that is separate
from any certain point of view or sexual identity. These conversations have led some scholars to
argue for BL’s sociocultural and political potentials in troubling heteropatriarchy (Kwon, 2021). It
acts as a non-threatening safe space for female fans and at the same time, threatens patriarchy.
Other scholars reflect on the misogyny portrayed in BL narratives (Ueno, 1998). The
escapism built on the anatomical maleness of characters sees the female sex as an intrusion to
fantasy. This can be seen as misogynistic, as the idealization of boys’ romance operates at the
expense of femaleness. Researchers explain that this was the result of patriarchal society’s
systematic sexism making it difficult for many women to love themselves as they are (Ueno, 1998).
From this standpoint, the BL genre serves practically as a means for women to distance from their
own gender stereotypes through the manipulation of gender in a fantasy world. The genre has come
a long way from villainizing women in narratives. Female characters still function as plot devices
towards the union of the main male couple but are increasingly portrayed in a positive light,
sometimes acting as cupid or an understanding family member or classmate. With shift in female
characters’ depictions, scholarship also moved away from focus on misogyny. Starting from
feminist critique, queer analysis began to be incorporated into BL studies, a framework that
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perhaps may be more appropriate for discussion of the BL world.
Queering BL
Since the 1990s, the genre of BL has only continued to expand, manifesting in a variety of
media forms (i.e., video games, movies, theme cafes) and crossing regional borders into North
America, Europe, other parts of Asia and around the globe. Following genre aesthetic and cultural
traditions, many popular BL creations have been produced outside of Japan and gained fame
globally through the internet. The BL fanbase includes many people living in heteronormative and
male dominated cultures, not limited to Japan. Heteronormative societies view the standard as
heterosexual, specifically the coupling of a passive cis gender women with an active cis gender
male. In this case, homosexuality is perceived as the other. As homosexuality became more
socially and politically accepted, overt homophobia became less permissible and homonormativity
being gay that matched existing norms. In addition to reinforcing hierarchies of race and class, it
fixed and stable identities of gay/straight, man/woman. In line with psychological concepts of
hetero/homo binary model permeates Western thought (Sedgwick, 1990). The cognitive tendency
to categorize and avoid indeterminacy, rejects the ambiguous nature of the diverse factors that form
our sexuality and gender experience. These ignored factors in hetero/homonormative cultures are
the subject of queer theory. BL media, containing a wealth of ambiguities in narratives and
reception, calls for a queer reading. To queer is a way to embrace ambiguities disregarded by
binary oppositions within gender and sexuality. To queer is to recognize instability, fluidity, and
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difference, and welcome the abundance of counter normative expressions.2 While BL has been
marketed towards a heterosexual female audience, the actual fanbase is far more varied in sex,
gender, and sexuality. BL has created a unique connection between men and women through
enjoyment of erotic media (Brenner & Wildsmith, 2011). Past scholars have observed that male
fans enjoyed the alternate views of sexual identities and masculinities, and female fans saw BL as a
way to overcome and critique heterosexist gender norms (Mizoguchi, 2008; Nagaike, 2015).
Mizoguchi (2010) states that BL supports a female community that cultivates more freedom in
gender and sexual expression. Shifting from studies of BL as resistance for heterosexual females,
queer readings examine the unconventional representations of gender and sexuality, and its queer
potential.
constructions of who is what. Both sexual identity as well as gender can be questioned. Welker
(2006) points out the uncertainties of gender in BL manga and anime, especially in early bishounen
works, which constructed ambiguous sex due to or despite of “apparitions of the penis (p. 849).” In
Welker’s (2006) analysis of Kaze to ki no uta, a pioneering work in the BL genre, he highlighted
the absence of clear drawings of male genitalia, which allowed audience to see a vulva if desired.
The bishounen was interpreted as a queer character outside the limits of our heteropatriarchal
world, offering readings of any gender and sexuality (Welker, 2006). Following this argument, the
bishounens could indeed be understood as lesbians. Giving readers free interpretation of the
character’s gender supported experimentation with nonhegemonic practices of gender and sexuality
(Welker, 2006). Audiences maintained the freedom to retell the story and control the genders
within the narrative to their own preference. This queer perspective of BL was based on the
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See the extensive work of Eve Sedgwick and Michael Warner on queer theory.
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ambiguities of content and imaginations of the audience.
Similar to Ueno (1998), Otomo (2015) discussed freeing from the female body as a feature
of BL. However, Otomo did not cite misogyny but desubjectivization, a dissolution of the reader’s
own subject, and the resulting disembodied experience where the gendered body disappears in the
BL fantasy world. She saw queer utopian potential in BL as an escapist fantasy and the opportunity
for political transformation. Otomo (2015) proposed that BL was a resistant form of escapism,
providing a place of respite for fans from realities of heteronormative oppression. BL can be
viewed as queer in its disassembling of stable identity categories and its enabling of fluid
identifications. The seme/uke architype at its surface may parallel traditional man/women gender
same-sex couple can be read as more transgressive in the way it decouples sex from gender.
Additionally, the uke identity is more complex and subversive, crossing between masculine and
feminine realms. He maintains his biological maleness, benefiting from patriarchy while also
holding a feminine object position. This female position however is not disempowering as the uke
enjoys equally pleasurable sex from the seme (Wood, 2006). If read as a self-insert character for
heterosexual female fans, there is still empowerment in the construction of an active, feminine
presence. While the uke archetype may suggest a feminine object, his gender performance is more
narratives as the seme character. Meyer (2010) found that about one third of female fans identified
with seme characters, subverting heterosexist expectations that female fans must identify with the
submissive character. Research suggests that there are female fans who prefer to position
themselves as the aggressive, dominant seme character who desires the submissive uke (Meyer,
2010). When considering the various positions of both audience and characters, the binary is
expanded. The seme and uke relationship illustrates multiple counter-hegemonic masculinities,
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crossing gender boundaries.
Nagaike (2015) directed attention to fudanshi (rotten men), male viewers of BL who were
not afraid to admit their enjoyment for homoerotic narratives. Fudanshis did not clearly represent
any specific sexual orientation. These men responded to surveys with a range of sexual orientation
identities including gay, straight, bisexual, as well as asexual (Nagaike, 2015). Fudanshis, like their
fujoshi counterparts, seek an escape from more dominant narratives of gender. But for fudanshis,
they are escaping traditional masculine traits by identifying with the feminine men in BL
narratives. They enjoyed how BL characters did not live up to the macho image of conventional
gender norms and expressed traditionally feminine characteristics like passivity and vulnerability
(Nagaike, 2015). BL creates a subversive space that allows fudanshis to reevaluate stereotypical
masculinities and learn to accept feminine traits, which are devalued by society when expressed on
male bodies, as part of maleness. In China, aesthetics and themes of danmei (China’s adaptation of
BL) are influencing even non consumers of BL. The underground distribution of BL has resulted in
Since the early 1990s, the genre has become more diverse in style and approach, while still
following some traditional conventions. Mizoguchi (2008) saw a decrease in “rapes of love” and
explained that it may be due to boredom towards the overused trope and mature author’s feelings
of responsibility as mentors for younger audiences to not excuse rape. Furthermore, “homophobic
homo” characters have decreased and been replaced with more gay identified characters.
Sometimes the character starts off with a straight identity but becomes accepting of his gay identity
after falling in love with his same sex partner. Many such characters come out to their family,
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friends, and the public. Other times, characters start off with the awareness of their gay or bisexual
identity (Mizoguchi, 2008). These changes show how the BL genre has matured and how creators
feel more responsibility towards fictional characters who represent a minority group, rather than
just fantasy material. This may have been partly influenced by the progress in lesbian and gay
rights political movements around the world at the time. For example, Netherlands was the first
country to legalize same sex marriage in 2000, followed by Belgium in 2003, and Canada in 2005
(Masci et. al., 2019). There are more stories depicting BL character’s coming out experience with
realistic reactions from family members in the context of Japanese culture. Often times, family and
friends learn to accept the protagonists’ gay relationship. Stories acknowledge the existence of
homophobia as a problem in society through scenarios depicting discrimination and illustrating the
various ways homosexual people navigate their lives in a heteronormative culture. This is not to
say that all BL stories are accurate portrayals, since there remain fantastical elements like
falling in love with another man (Mizoguchi, 2008). However, there have also been changes in the
seme/uke trope, towards positions with active decision making. Ukes are more frequently
characterized as proactive, and top/bottom roles during sex are more likely determined by factors
of preference and pleasure (Mizoguchi, 2008). Traditional BL formulas do coexist with author’s
activist imaginations. Still, many BL authors are giving serious thought to homosexual individual’s
struggles in contemporary times. Authors are creating feasible scenarios where gay characters can
live happier lives in an imagined society that is more progressive than reality. Another noticeable
trend in the BL genre is the increased production of narratives that scrutinize and problematize the
existing gender system and heterosexuality broadly, including marriage, reproduction, and
traditional notions of family (Mizoguchi, 2010). Sex Pistols by Tarako Kotobuki (2004)
exemplifies a world where reproductive technologies allow characters to birth babies regardless of
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gender. The manga series provides representation for same sex male couples and same sex female
couples and motivates fan discussions about concepts of family, reproduction, and romantic
relationships.
Seme and uke dynamics based on physical characteristics continue to persist in the BL
genre but with a growing number of exceptions. There are a variety of different types of seme and
uke characters, each having gender traits that shift according to the character they are paired with.
Practices of pairing shows the flexibility of gender, allowing the imagining of possibilities outside
the norm or an alternative future for the norm itself (Butler, 2004). For example, a Philippines
based study showed how BL fans viewed androgynous male characters and same sex male
relationships not only as different forms of masculinity but also of different forms of intimate
relationships (Fermin, 2022). In China, pairing two masculine top characters together, a genre
called “hugongwen,” builds on the concept of alternative masculinity as queer resistance and offers
conventions (see Figure 2). The story follows a nameless background character as he criticizes
nonsensical tropes in the BL world he lives in. Many fans can relate to the protagonist’s feelings as
he ridicules typical BL manga plots. Its success among readers led to a Japanese live action
adaptation in 2021. These new ventures in BL practices show that the genre is a medium of change.
Given this history of the ways BL has evolved over the years, I chose to examine how
discourse reflects new developments. What conversations are taking place among the BL fandom
today? To answer these questions, I look to online communities, home to countless BL fans.
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Figure 2. Zettai BL ni Naru Sekai VS Zettai BL ni Naritakunai Otoko (A World Where
Everything Definitely Becomes BL vs. The Man Who Definitely Doesn't Want to be in a
BL) (p. 1-2), © Konkichi/Shodensha (2018). On the right page, the main character realizes
he lives in a BL world. On the left, he points out the strangely high percentage of handsome
men in his school, the blurry and plain faces of girls, and how dirty talk about girls
somehow shift into ‘what kind of men you would have sex with.’ Translation by Jessica
Lin.
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Section 2: Method and Methodology
Site of Study
The BL fan community, r/boyslove, located on the popular social media website Reddit,
will be the main site of study. Reddit has become a significant data source for researchers from a
prominent data sources being political and mental health communities (Proferes et. al., 2021). As a
platform that functions via anonymity, it gathers users and creates communities through shared
interests rather than real-world connections. These communities are called “subreddits” and can be
created by any user and are moderated by its own members.1 The configuration of reddit allows
people to publish candid stories and opinions, partly due to the fact that moderators are everyday
people and not a corporate entity (De Choudhry & De, 2014). Additionally, unlike other platforms
that require a name or birthday, creating a reddit user account only requires an email, username,
and password. The large degree of anonymity of reddit has been shown to increase user’s
willingness to divulge personal stories and speak freely on sensitive topics such as gender and
sexuality (Ammari et. al., 2019). Furthermore, the 10,000 character limit for comments and 40,000
character limit for posts provide users plenty of room to communicate their opinions and rationale
in comparison to many other social media platforms with shorter limits, giving more context to
readers. Reddit’s simple point voting system divides powers equally among everyone, each
“upvote” adding a point and “downvote” subtracting a point. This system pushes posts or
comments that the public believes to be the most significant to the forefront, making popular posts
easily identifiable. For these reasons, I chose to focus on the subreddit, r/boyslove, a community
1
This is unlike other social media sites, such as Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram which are monitored by a singular
corporation but rather, each subreddit has their own volunteer moderators who enforce community guidelines.
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Data Collection
At the time of data extraction, the r/boyslove subreddit had 35,700 members. Following
Caplan and Purser’s (2017) methodological guidelines for Reddit qualitative data analysis, I chose
specific criteria for extraction. I opted for a central post with at least a hundred comments that
would address my research question. Threads within r/boyslove were categorized using “Flairs,” a
tagging system to provide context to posts. Some flairs include “BL Haul”, “Fanwork”,
“Help:Identify”, “Off Topic”, “Meme” ,“Discussion”, and regional flairs (i.e., Thai BL) for
location specific BL content. I filtered using the “Discussion” flair, as this tag was intended for
posts looking for open-ended responses and fostered the most dialogue between members. I then
sorted by “Top” posts within the past year. The top four posts were limited to questions pertaining
to member’s favorite BL live-action drama series or favorite pairings in those series. For data
collection, I chose the fifth most upvoted post, as it was not constrained to live-action media and
contained enough text to be viable. This post was titled, “In this designated BL fan space, we
shouldn’t have to be constantly defending our enjoyment of BL” and was published on November
15, 2021. The thread matched my search criteria as a relevant discussion thread, with over 100
this central post to answer my research question: What are the shared experiences and
Data Analysis
voices and perspectives. Theoretically, I follow a relativist, constructionist approach to examine the
realities articulated in individual’s responses. This framework does not focus on individual
psyches, but rather, attempts to understand the socio-cultural conditions driving people’s sense-
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making, with the understanding that there is no one objective reality.
I saved the entire webpage containing the initial post and all the comments (n = 178) using
MAXQDA’s web collector function and imported the file into MAXQDA (v.20.4) to facilitate data
analysis. Within this thread, I identified 55 unique users who responded in the comments section
(Table 1).
Following Braun and Clarke (2006) on thematic analysis, I began with in-depth
familiarization of the data. After an initial readthrough, I conducted a more in-depth review while
documenting notes and ideas within MAXQDA (v.20.4). After familiarization with the content, I
used an inductive approach in the initial coding, noting interesting patterns and possible themes
during the coding process. Codes were reviewed and categorized into initial themes. After further
developing and reviewing themes, I refined the relevance of those themes by comparing them to
the data set as a whole and renamed when appropriate (Braun & Clarke, 2006; Braun & Clarke,
2019). Guided by reflexive thematic analysis, my analytical process took on an organic approach
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Table 1
Descriptives of data.
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Section 3: Results
The following themes were generated: (1) Don’t Yuck my Yum (2) Fantasy vs. Reality, (3)
Progressiveness in the BL space (see Figure 3). These themes highlight the ongoing conversations
Respect others’
opinions and Fiction is just fiction
preferences
Experiences of
Fiction transfers into
harassment through
Progressiveness in reality
moral policing
the BL Space
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Don’t Yuck my Yum
As a central statement of the initial post, as well as the top comment in the thread, “Don’t
Yuck my Yum” summarizes fan’s sentiments against those who bash others for their media and
trope preferences. Members shared instances where they encountered animosity for expressing
their enjoyment of certain narratives. Complaints include, “I have been told I should go to prison
for enjoying the pseudo-incest in Friend Forever.” And “I’ve had someone tell me that maybe I
should be raped so that I would stop glorifying it in these shows.” Fans of Chinese BL would
receive comments like, “it is censored, it isn’t BL, China sucks and I will never give any of their
shows a try.” Members have been unproductively criticized for enjoying “immoral” tropes such as
incest, non-consensual sex, age gaps and obsessive love. Chinese BL works, which has become
popularized among western media in recent years, have been condemned for being regressive and
homophobic due to its prominent level of censorship. Fans adept at reading homoerotic subtext find
no problems seeing the romantic relationship between male leads, while others who only see
homosociality in male relationships argue that Chinese BL should not even be considered BL. The
…I am sick of it! Guys, this is supposed to be the space where we can enjoy this
genre without judgement, especially from other fans. You are allowed to have
different opinions, but why do we constantly have to be knocking down what other
As the genre of BL overall has generally been looked down upon and shamed by society since its
origins, many fujin (“rotten person,” a gender-neutral alternative to fujoshi/fudanshi) share similar
feelings of shame in some way. It is often a genre labeled and acknowledged by fans as a guilty
pleasure. Consumers and creators of BL have been and still are targets of harassment and
cyberbullying, due to societal misogyny and homophobia. Even within the BL fan space, people
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experience criticisms for enjoying the “wrong” type of BL.
You can barely say you like a show or an actor anymore without someone coming in
and telling you that there is something wrong in the show and so you shouldn’t
enjoy it… “well, you can like it, but at the end of the day in the grand scheme of the
world that makes you a fetishist and so your opinions don’t really mean much.” Or
“you are probably a straight woman, you aren’t a gay man enough to contribute to
this conversation on the ethics of this scene.” Or “oh, you can’t like that actor
anymore, because one time, four years ago, he said a joke that was off-color…” And
The user expresses frustration over other users’ excessive political and moral policing of BL media.
Many fujin enjoy the emotional and dramatic elements of BL that are often connected to taboo
tropes like non-consensual sex or abusive relationships. Posters suggest the rise of “woke” culture
has resulted in an increase in the number of morality policing comments in the community forums.
of sexism, racism, homophobia, and general insensitivity towards others, but the label of “woke”
has developed to have a negative connotation, referring to social justice warriors who condemn
others ‘problematic’ behaviors in order to achieve a sense of moral superiority. The r/boyslove
community exhibits more liberal leaning ideologies in alignment with what is considered “woke.”
As a disclaimer, the original poster states that they are not against liberal ideologies promoting
human rights. They clarify that their issue lies in the oversaturation of BL communities with real-
A differing response expresses that they do not see the disparaging, toxic posts that others
have referred to, “This is a pretty laid back place. I do notice sometimes people come in here to
vent about bad experiences they’ve had outside of this subreddit. The ‘my friend thinks I’m trash
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for liking this’ thing for instance comes up.” While they highlight the existence of posts from BL
fans that have experienced backlash from outsiders, they personally have not encountered many
toxic posts from within the fan community and therefore do not associate intolerance with the
r/boyslove subreddit. Within the “Don’t Yuck my Yum” discourse, 38 comments emphasized
agreement to the original poster’s sentiment of not disparaging other fans’ for their proclivities,
which contrasts the absence of counterclaims. The topmost upvoted responses within this thread,
Overall, the majority of commenters agree that no one should be shamed or insulted for
their preferences, especially within a fan space that should be tolerant. They believe there should be
Numerous responders including the original poster, emphasized the separation between
fiction and reality. One side wishes to enjoy the BL genre with its immoral plotlines and dramatic
elements as pure fantasy, while others argue that BL’s toxic tropes are harmful and linked to real-
world consequences.
One user supports the perspective of BL as fantasy material and highlights the significance
of the fictional aspect in their personal life towards recovering from trauma.
Something can be hugely problematic and we can still love it. I read a ton of non-
con and rape stories because, as a rape survivor, they help me process my stuff. I
love Tharntype. Because I love the idea of a fairytale ending to something that starts
with non-con. In real life I didn’t get that (and I wish I could have sent the man to
jail.) But in a fantasy world?? Give me ALL the comfort after the hurt. I love it.”
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(r/boyslove, 2021)
Tharntype is a highly popular 2019 Thai BL drama series based on the web novel with the same
title. The series involves scenarios of non-consent and dubious consent within its first three
episodes. Tharntype echoes a common trope of BL, in which stories beginning with non-
consensual elements develop into mutual love by the end. The user emphasizes the function of such
narratives as fantasies with fairytale happy endings as a way to cope with their personal struggles
in reality. BL for many fans continues to act as a safe space to process difficult emotions from a
distance. BL as fantasy is malleable and offers alternative narratives that some consumers say can
produce therapeutic effects. Other users express that they would respond differently to those
We all know it’s not okay IRL! We know that!! Most of us are adults! But I don’t
Users reason that they have the common sense to differentiate fiction and reality, to
separate what they view on screen from their actions in real life. They argue that audiences
should have the social awareness and ethical intelligence to enjoy fictional narratives for the
thrills and recognize that problematic behaviors should not be replicated in the real world.
Others argue that realities follow fiction, voicing their concerns for young audiences who
may be more impressionable. Several commentors reference skewed gay representation within BL
narratives. A user states, “You know, either the dominant, borderline rapist top or the submissive,
pitiful bottom. It’s also quite possible they’ll carry that idea with them into real life.” They refer to
the possible transference of BL’s pervasive trope of seme/uke roles onto real life gay couples.
Responses point out the very real influences that BL media has on the perception of LGBT
individuals and not always in a positive light due to misrepresentation and reinforcement of
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stereotypes.
reinforces negative stereotypes that will affect real people irl [in real life]. This
might be a “fun get-away from the real world” for you, but for someone else it’s
Users explain that popular fiction media consumed globally definitely has an impact on
reality and the lives of young LGBT youth. They elaborate that often times, BL is the only
way LGBT youth see representation, and they may internalize problematic tropes involving
conflicting.
There are recurring comments that took note of the positive changes and progress in BL media for
the better. Written with strong conviction and at length, users point out how there is an increase in
I was so relieved when I entered this subreddit a few months ago and I found the
amount of healthy media in BL that wasn’t there when I started watching BL.
(r/boyslove, 2021)
I've really enjoyed seeing BL become increasingly overtly merged with LGBTQ+
storytelling! And I think it was the natural thing to happen – why have two
LGBTQ+/female friendly storytelling mediums doing almost if not quite the same
thing, when you can just merge them – leaving room for all kinds of stories.
(r/boyslove, 2021)
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By “healthy” they are referring to media that has accurate representation of gay men in healthy,
consensual relationships and without forms of abuse. Members show excitement when BL
narratives contain pairings that do not follow traditional seme/uke characteristics. They appreciate
the growth in overt gender and sexual minority representations in new BL media, not just limited to
gay men. In discussing a merge between BL and LGBT storytelling, the user shows understanding
of the differences between the two genres as well as the history of change within BL. There is an
awareness of BL’s origins as a “female friendly” mode of storytelling, stemming from shoujo
manga that explored gender and sexuality. The r/boyslove community exhibit an overall liberal
stance on gender and sexuality issues. Members show support for LGBT rights and are generally
mindful of heterosexism. Therefore, they praise new BL media that provide more accurate
representations of gay men. Fans commend BL actors for speaking up for the LGBT community, to
eliminate prejudice against same-sex relationships and to spread awareness as influencers. They
BL fandom is so much more interesting and welcoming now than it used to be.
There’s a healthy mix of variations in age, gender, sexuality and life experience that
While anonymity on reddit promotes more candid and authentic sharing of experience and
opinions on stigmatized issues such as sexuality, it also acts as a significant limitation in methods.
Lack of user’s demographic profile make it impossible to conduct intersectional analysis. However,
some users may share their age, gender or sexuality in post. Within this thread, several users
prefaced their response with a disclosure of their gender and sexual orientation. These users
included gay men, lesbian women, bisexual men, a pansexual trans man, an asexual agender person
and a queer fan. This wide range of identities within only one thread, demonstrates the surge in
diversity among BL fans. When one user voiced their opinion that men should stay away from
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female spaces, she was met with substantial opposition and downvotes. For this community, the
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Section 4: Discussion
Reflexive thematic analysis with a relativist constructionist approach was conducted from
my position as a long time BL fan and situated in a queer, feminist perspective. From r/boyslove, I
generated three themes that highlighted major discourses occurring among the BL fan community.
The first theme, ‘Don’t yuck my yum’ showed the enduring sense of shame in loving BL
factors behind people’s distaste for BL and its fandom. BL fans and creators have been
continuously attacked, especially when reading male-male romance into popular mainstream
media, similar to “shipping”1 in slash fictions in the U.S. Critics who target fujin for reading
homoerotic subtext into popular mainstream media, are at the same time privileging
heterosexual/normative readings as the only “correct” and “normal’ way to view fictional
relationships. On online platforms where people can post artworks or events like Comiccon where
people can sell and distribute art, BL is often pushed to the side, sending the message that it is a
genre that should stay out of the mainstream. People argue that BL is discriminatory towards gay
men, while there exists a much larger market with problematic portrayals of women. When
mainstream anime and manga is criticized for oversexualizing and demeaning women, male
creators simply dismiss concerns by citing freedom of speech and expression. On the other hand,
BL is easily targeted likely due to it being a genre associated with women. Decades of research
have shown that women’s participation is correlated to devaluation.2 There has been a constant
trend of shaming femininized interests. Female stereotyped fandoms (i.e., Boybands) tend to be
belittled, while male stereotyped fandoms (i.e., Football) are often celebrated (Mendelsohn, 2020).
Fields dominated by women, like teaching and care work are undervalued and underpaid/unpaid
1
Shipping is defined as the act of pairing two individuals (often characters in pop culture) in a romantic relationship.
2
See “Twenty years of gender equality research: A scoping review based on a new semantic indicator” (Belingheri,
Chiarello, Cholladon & Rovelli, 2021)
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(Shaw et. al., 2016). Jobs are assigned lower pay and status as it becomes increasingly associated
with women (Block et. al., 2018; Magnusson, 2009). BL reception, as a genre linked to women,
follows the devaluation theory based on sexism that sees less value in women produced work.
Subreddit members have cited their encounters with disparaging comments, containing
assumptions on their identity as straight women, along with assumptions that they fetishize gay
men. Such insinuations were used as grounds to invalidate their opinions. Many BL fans hide their
hobby from family and friends in fear of such criticism, finding comfort only in online fan spaces.
Fujin are aware of their socially subordinate status as members of this community. Amongst fans
sharing the same interests, r/boyslove members agreed that no one should be shamed in this virtual
Theme two, Fantasy vs. Reality demonstrates the productive critique of BL media that is
possible without use of shame. Fans debated the various functions of BL as fantasy and its effects
in the real world. Many users expressed their use of BL as pure fiction and escapism. This aligns
with feminist studies on BL that recognize the genre as a safe space for women to escape the
damages inflicted by patriarchy. Some may argue that escapist fantasies as temporary relief is
insufficient and ultimately, real social change is necessary in order to eliminate that need for
escapism. However, I believe fantasy in itself should be seen as fulfilling and pleasurable, and
recognized as a necessary element of our psychical reality, regardless of political utility. Many
feminist and queer readings struggle with suspending political impulses to see fantasy as it is, “a
pleasurable suspension of the opposition between the realist and the escapist” (Chou, 2018, p. 35).
Many other reddit responses focused on the common BL critique regarding representation
for gay men, a topic that has continues from the events of yaoi ronsou. It is important to remember
that not all BL stories are intended to be about gay men. The majority of narratives simply portray
idealized, romantic love between two boys or men. The ambiguous nature of many BL narratives
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allows for different interpretations based on the imagination of the readership (Welker, 2006).
Stories of two men’s romantic or sexual relationship does not automatically equate to a gay
identity. There exists a range of sexual orientations (i.e., bisexual, heterosexual, pansexual, queer)
and the audience is free to interpret the relationship to their heart’s desires. Additionally, fictional
worlds are not necessarily a mere reflection of society. Fictional worlds are capable of imagining
and opening up unseen possibilities and different modes of life. While there are gay identified
characters in BL media, in many stories it is rare for characters to overtly identify as a gay man. A
more flexible reading of BL media may be more productive and inclusive. However, society at
large does associate depictions of homosexuality to gay men and therefore any media portrayal
may affect the real lives of gay men, BL or not. Members of r/boyslove agree that BL can influence
realities of gay men by propagating certain images or stereotypes. The frequent conversations and
attention to such concerns highlight the community’s awareness that BL’s genre characteristics that
are meant for dramatic purposes do not and should not be applied to real life. There is an
abundance of people speaking up and critiquing problematic story trends (i.e., homophobia, gender
normativity, rape), using it as an opportunity to spread awareness and educate younger or newer
fans.
Although the mixture of problematic BL tropes and activist thoughts is complex, I think the
activist power of representation in BL work does not disappear. As a queer person, discovering BL
had given me hope and made it easier to imagine that fantasy world of acceptance in the near
future. Some Fudanshis have recounted their first experiences discovering BL and expressed
feelings of affirmation and validation simply seeing the possibility of happy male-male couples, at
a time period when representation was limited to gay pornography magazines and comedic
caricatures. Even gay-targeted content by gay creators such as geikomi (gay comics) do not offer
perfect representation for every individual. Some gay fudanshi have voiced that they found the
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feminine masculinities depicted by BL characters more relatable than geikomi, that portrayed heavy
set, muscular, strong men with facial hair. The discourses that assume a singular, “correct”
fandom as well as BL media itself. At its origins, BL was a deliberate attempt to empower girls’
agency and queer norms around female sexuality (Mizoguchi, 2008; Saito, 2011). The genre’s
circumvention of gender and sexual norms attracted a wide spectrum of audiences outside of the
targeted demographics. The lines of BL and LGBT media have blurred and merged as r/boyslove
community members have pointed out. I believe the yaoi ronsou was a critical event that allowed
BL to take strides in progress. Controversies and criticisms push BL fans and creators to
acknowledge political and moral concerns around the genre, which can explain the expansion of
content and increased genre breaking ventures that are not constrained by tropes. In a reciprocal
relationship, the progressive diversification of BL media in turn attracts even wider audiences of
fans, who often contribute to the genre as creators. While r/boyslove promote discussion of all
media forms of BL, the rapid rise in popularity of Thai live action dramas and Chinese danmei is
clearly evident. Thailand’s BL productions seem to have the most regional and global outreach and
influence, winning more acceptance with LGBT individuals. More live action BL dramas have
been providing sensitive portrayals of diverse relationships, an approach that has been well
received by LGBT communities. The subreddit expresses a welcoming attitude towards the influx
of LGBT fans and creators, showing tolerance and respect to fellow BL fans.
The r/boyslove community exemplifies a group that has taken their individual BL derived
consciousness of social issues concerning gender and sexual minorities and become political
advocates for LGBT rights. In another instance, BL fans from Taiwan actively involved themselves
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in the recent successful movement to make Taiwan the first Asian country to legalize same sex
marriage (Wang, 2022). Around the world, BL fans act as sociopolitical forces, engaging in local
politics or online political critique, enabling the liberation of gender and sexual expression. BL has
become a “transnational, transcultural” media genre with progressive potential for good through its
subversion of gender and sexual norms, and accumulated support for the LGBT community
(Welker, 2022, p. 4). Regardless of critiques relating to misogyny, homophobia, and the shameful
nature of indulging in BL, the genre’s “queer transfigurations” across and between various
countries has resulted in fandom expansion and new BL productions merging with LGBT
narratives, inspiring and provoking political and social change (Welker, 2022). The current study
demonstrates how fans’ personal ventures into BL can develop into social awareness of gender and
sexuality through critical consumption of media and participating in public discourse with other
fellow fans on online platforms, encouraging social change that respects transgressive expressions
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