HEI Distributors
HEI Distributors
HEI Distributors
Section 1 authored by Wes Vann, with minor revisions and photos by Schurkey
Centrifugal advance relates purely to distributor Photo 2. Centrifugal advance parts including center
(and therefore engine) speed. It is done by the set plate and retainers, weights, nylon pads, and
of weights and springs inside the distributor. When springs. Weights and center plate are identified by
a distributor is "recurved", it's usually the springs, stamped-in numbers.
weights, and the center piece the weights act on
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DISTRIBUTORS & HEI INSTALLATIONS
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DISTRIBUTORS & HEI INSTALLATIONS
There is no longer a need for the power wire that
Converting a "points" distributor to "non- comes from the starter “R” terminal.
points"
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Section 2 “Identification of HEI Ignition Systems" authored by Schurkey.
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Authored by Schurkey
All information believed to be correct at time of writing.
Comments/suggestions? Contact schurkey@v-drivemail.zzn.com
Don’t worry, be happy. HEIs are as easy as pie to The most important special tool is a fully functional
fix. You don’t even need kilobuck ‘scopes, module brain. Be sure yours is completely engaged. If the
testers, or computer interfaces. clutch plates of your mind are slipping, press
“BACK" on your browser.
The Usual Legal Disclaimers And Stuff.
Spark tester: K-D tools 2756 (also available from
This is NOT the official factory diagnostic proce- Snap-On), A-C Delco ST-125, Mac ET 760H, or
dure. This is shorter and simpler. It requires fewer equivalent. Cost is about twelve dollars. Available
special tools. It is a little less thorough, but a lot at any well stocked auto parts store. This looks like
faster. This is not designed to locate everything a spark plug with an alligator clip soldered to it.
that could possibly go wrong with an HEI. It will lo- Avoid the temptation to make your own. The real
cate the common problems. deal has a calibrated spark gap that will properly
load the coil.
General Assumptions:
A straight spark plug boot: You’ll cut it so that
You "know which end of a screwdriver to hold when you slip it over your spark tester, it extends
onto". You’ve even replaced a distributor cap and about ½ inch beyond the tester.
rotor and timed an engine at some point in your
life, and the engine ran good after you completed Jumper wire: Plain old 14 gauge primary wire
the job. You have basic hand tools. about three feet long, with alligator clips on each
end.
You have a non-computer controlled HEI (the mod-
ule has only four terminals) with the coil built into 12 Volt test light: A cheap one is OK, but test it
the cap. If you have a separate ignition coil, the every time you use it. If the wire is connected to
basics are the same, but the details are a little dif- ground, (the usual arrangement) touch the probe to
ferent. a power source and make sure it lights up. HINT:
Use the alternator positive terminal if it is easier to
You don’t have a pacemaker, ‘cause we are dealing reach than the battery positive terminal. On those
with 50,000 volts and I don’t want anyone to have occasions that the wire is connected to a power
their ticker "vapor lock", if you know what I mean. source, touch the probe to ground and make sure it
You do not want to "catch a spark" even if you’re lights up. It’s very frustrating to have to re-do an
completely healthy. It hurts, especially if you are hour’s work because the bulb in the test light
leaning over the fender and the spark grounds burned out and has been giving you false readings.
through your pants zipper.
10 MEGOHM (or greater) input impedance mul-
Whenever I tell you to crank the engine, I’m as- timeter: This is required for module testing. These
suming the ignition is ON and the car has the park are getting to be very common. If your meter has a
brake engaged and the transmission is in "Park" or digital readout, you probably have a 10 megohm
“Neutral”. Your necktie should not be wrapped compatible meter. No harm in verifying that,
around the fan blades. though.
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Optional Tools:
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distributor cap and rotor from the distributor. If it
Let’s begin: makes it easier to remove the cap, you can first la-
bel and remove the spark plug wires from the cap,
You have an engine that won’t run properly, or but leave the three small wires on the side of the
won’t run at all. When you look down the carb cap connected, and leave the power wire con-
throat and work the linkage, you can see fuel squirt nected! Flip the cap upside down. Push the "Special
out of the accelerator pump nozzle. The engine tool" plug boot over the spark tester, and then push
cranks at its usual speed, indicating both a fully- the open end of the plug boot over the center post
charged battery and no sudden decrease in crank- of the distributor cap. This is the post with the car-
ing compression. bon button that rubs on the top of the rotor. The tip
of the spark tester will be touching the carbon but-
STEP ONE: Verify No-Spark. ton, held in place by the cut-down rubber plug
boot. Use your jumper wire to connect the spark
Select the easiest to reach plug wire and remove it tester to a good ground.
from the plug. Connect it to the spark tester and
ground the tester to any convenient chunk of
nearby iron, such as a header bolt or the alternator
bracket. Hint: face the sparking end of the tester so
you can see it from the driver’s seat.
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STEP FOUR: (Optional—only if you have the big STEP FIVE: Eliminate the pickup coil.
soldering gun)
Disconnect the two very fine wires (green and
YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO SOLDER ANYTHING! IF white) from the module. Connect the wire on your
YOU DO THIS RIGHT, THE TIP OF THE SOLDERING test light to a voltage source such as the alternator
GUN WON’T EVEN GET HOT. POSITIVE terminal. Touch the probe of the test
light to the module terminal labeled "G". (Its the
Plug in the soldering gun, and with the ignition ON, smaller of the two terminals that you disconnected
hold the body of the soldering gun as close to the the pickup coil wires from), and it’s the one that
pickup coil as you can. Keep your arm away from had the green wire on it. (The test light will not
the spark tester. Pull the trigger on the gun. (One light up on this test.) If you get no spark when you
second is enough!) Look for sparks at the spark REMOVE the test light probe from the “G” terminal,
tester. This is a repeat of Step three, but with the go to step six or seven. If you get a spark each
pole piece (reluctor) out of the equation. The alter- time you REMOVE the test light from the module,
nating magnetic field in the body of the soldering but got no sparks in the other tests, your pickup
gun will induce voltage in the pickup coil, which coil is defective. Replace it; connect the pickup coil
should trigger the module, which should trigger the wires to the module and repeat step three. If step
ignition coil. If the soldering gun is not big enough, three produces spark, the problem is fixed. Put it all
or is held too far from the pickup coil, you won’t back together and go cruising.
induce voltage in the pickup coil and the test is in-
valid. (I suggest you try this on a known good sys-
tem, to give you some experience with the proce-
dure—It’s a real time-saver! Then, if you have Photo 13. Using test
problems later with an HEI, you’re familiar with the light to trigger mod-
procedure, and know what to expect.) If you’re ule.
sure you’ve done this right, and you get no spark,
LEAVE THE SPARK TESTER IN PLACE and go to step
five. If you get spark here and you didn’t in step
three, the pickup coil is defective in a way that is
not common. Re-do step three to be sure.
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STEP SEVEN: test ignition coil.
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Separate coil: Remove spark tester and all wires
from the coil.
VERY EARLY (Mid ’75 and OLDER) HEI in-cap coils Common HEI Problems
may not have a black wire, and you CANNOT do
this part of the test on those coils—but you MUST
have continuity in Part 1 if there is NO black wire. Coil Interchange Guide
If BOTH of the readings in the second test, Part 1
and Part 2 are infinite (indicating an open circuit on
BOTH Part 1 and Part 2) replace coil. It is ENTIRELY
acceptable to have ONE reading—either in Part 1 or
in Part 2—that shows infinite resistance—open cir-
cuit.
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Helpful part numbers for HEI distributors:
Provided by Schurkey
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Authored by Schurkey
All information believed to be correct at time of writing.
Comments/suggestions? Contact schurkey@v-drivemail.zzn.com
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COMMON HEI PROBLEMS
Wires that connect pickup coil to module break in-
side the insulation. (They don’t look broken.) When
the vacuum advance moves the pickup coil, the
broken wire opens the circuit so the engine dies.
Vacuum is reduced, the vacuum advance relaxes,
the wire reconnects and the engine runs. Cycle re-
peats.
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COMMON HEI PROBLEMS
Be careful when re-curving the centrifugal advance;
Photo 24.
many HEI distributors have “hidden” advance at
Weights acting on
very high engine speed that could destroy an en-
gently-curved part
gine. This happens when using light springs and
of center plate.
when the weights act upon the “gently curved” part
Note pivot hole in
of the center plate. A positive stop for the advance
lower weight is now
can be used; or the center plate can be turned up-
a sloppy fit on
side down so the weights act on the “dogleg curve”
worn-out pivot pin.
part of the center plate—as long as the dogleg pro-
vides an acceptable advance curve for the applica-
tion.
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COMMON HEI PROBLEMS
Tall-deck big-block engines when used with some will cause the gear—and therefore the mainshaft—
non-stock intake manifolds; or any Chevy V-8 that to push “up” against the existing thrust washers.
has had considerable milling on the block decks, The oil pump is always providing drag; so the dis-
head decks, or intake manifold may need a distribu- tributor shaft is always pushed “up” as far as it will
tor with an adjustable slip-collar so that proper en- go as long as the engine runs. It’s unlikely that
gagement with the camshaft (and therefore the oil you’re having trouble with erratic timing because
pump drive) can be maintained. MSD and others the mainshaft is moving up and down and therefore
supply ready-to-go distributors with slip-collars; but advancing and retarding the timing—unless you
it’s no big deal to convert your original distributor if have little or no oil pressure. If you have no oil
you have access to a small metal lathe—or a ma- pressure, you need to fix that problem before you
chine shop. Cut down the distributor housing hold- mess with the distributor shaft! If you do choose to
down flange, and slide an aftermarket slip-collar limit end play to ~.012 by adding hardened wash-
into position. It’s up to you to locate the slip collar ers, assure that the distributor mainshaft also has
in the correct place before tightening the collar onto “some” end play WHEN IT IS INSTALLED IN THE
the housing. Slip-collars are available from indus- ENGINE, AND TIGHTENED AGAINST THE MANI-
trial supply houses; or from MSD (8539) and Mo- FOLD.
roso (26217) Again, if the block decks, cylinder heads, and/or
manifold has been planed, you will reduce the dis-
tance between the distributor mount in the mani-
fold; and the oil pump drive—at the same time you
are effectively making the distributor housing
longer by adding washers. If things get too ex-
treme, the oil pump drive will butt against the
mainshaft, forcing the distributor mainshaft “up”;
this also puts a thrust load on the drive gear of the
oil pump leading to scoring of the oil pump cover
and a “bound up” situation that will destroy parts.
Adding a second distributor gasket on the manifold,
or installing a slip-collar on the distributor housing
can restore appropriate distributor-to-oil pump
drive clearance.
Photo 28. General instructions for installing a As with any parts, beware of low-budget “copycat”
slip-collar. junk. Sometimes, they’re not too careful about
(Machine to inside diameter of slip-collar so that how they build their products. I’d much rather
slip-collar can tightly firmly) have a used-but-usable Delco HEI than a brand-
new imported knockoff distributor of the sort pollut-
ing eBay and discount catalogs.
Racers sometimes adjust the end play of the dis-
tributor mainshaft using hardened steel washers. Photo 29. Note poor
The theory is that the helical cam and distributor “off center” drilling
gears cause any “up and down” movement of the of gear and main-
main shaft to also be a rotational movement. shaft. This company
(Think about dropping the distributor into the en- offers gears with
gine—you have to allow for the rotor rotation as the only one hole drilled
distributor gear meshes with the cam gear.) If the as service replace-
mainshaft is jumping up ‘n’ down, that will affect ments! You’d have
the ignition timing of the engine. Although limiting to drill the second
endplay may be a benefit for dry-sump engines (no hole to match the
oil pump drag) it’s pretty much wasted effort in offset hole in the
wet-sump applications—and can sometimes cause mainshaft.
problems. If the distributor is turning an oil pump, Photo courtesy of “Rewind”—Thank you, Rewind!
the drag from the pump acting on the helical gear
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HEI COIL INTERCHANGEABLITY
There are two color-coded (coil-in-cap) ignition coils, and three color-coded pickup coils. (Note that ex-
ternal ignition coils are not color coded.) One coil-in-cap ignition coil uses red and yellow wires; the other
uses red and white wires. They are functionally identical except the magnetic (not electrical) polarity is
opposite. The yellow/red ignition coil is neither a higher- or lower-performance version of the white/red
ignition coil. They have the SAME electrical specs, differing only in the direction (not strength) of the
magnetic field they radiate.
One pickup coil uses either a yellow tyrap or a yellow plastic connector body on the wires that attach to
the module. Another pickup coil uses either a blue tyrap or black plastic connector body, and the third
pickup coil uses a clear tyrap or a clear plastic connector body. (Some aftermarket manufacturers will
use no connector body instead of a clear one.) The yellow pickup coil has opposite magnetic and electri-
cal polarity from the blue/black, and clear pickup coils. The wires leading from the blue/black; and clear
pickup coils to the module must be crossed to correct the electrical polarity, leaving the magnetic polarity
“backwards”. The metal connectors are sized differently; and the molded plastic connectors are posi-
tioned in a way that prevents incorrect connection.
Delco discovered that magnetic interference from the starter/battery cable could trigger “false” sparks at
low RPM—especially during cranking. Sure, you can use mis-matched components—but if you have mis-
fires, backfires, or other ignition problems especially at cranking speed—you’ve been warned. Pickup coils
are selected based on engine family. Ignition coils are then selected based on which pickup coil was se-
lected.
So, for the “traditional” V-8 engines, Chevrolet, Cadillac, and Olds Toronado use the yellow-coded pickup
coil, and because they use the yellow pickup coil, they use the yellow and red ignition coil. Put another
way, the yellow coils are a matched set. Buick, and Oldsmobile except Toronado, use the blue/black
pickup coil, and therefore use the white and red ignition coil. Pontiac uses the clear coded pickup coil. It
is wound the same way as the blue/black coil, but has longer leads to physically fit in the Pontiac version
of the HEI distributor. Therefore it, too, uses the white and red ignition coil. Many parts catalogs indicate
the wrong pickup and ignition coils for Olds Toronados.
The Delco service information I’ve paraphrased in this section can be found at:
http://fiedlerh.home.att.net/HEI.pdf (Link verified 31 July 07) A recommended read!
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Photo 30.
Comparison of V-8 pickup coils.
Photo 31.
Ignition coil variations.
Left to right: Yellow/Red w/o black ground wire; Yellow/Red with black ground wire; White/Red with
black ground wire. White/Red w/o black ground wire is not shown. Note broken connector of middle
coil. The wires won’t take much abuse before breaking.
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