Wikidata:Events/Telegram office hour 2024-07-10

Participants

1. Albin "Abbe" Larsson
2. Danny Benjafield WMDE
3. GreenReaper
4. Ismael Olea
5. Jan Ainali
6. Jon Amar
7. Luca Martinelli [Sannita]
8. Lucas Werkmeister
9. Lydia Pintscher
10. Moebeus
11. Mohammed Sadat Abdulai
12. Nikki
13. মাহির মোরশেদ

Content

2024-07-10T16:02:06 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Good Bot
2024-07-10T16:02:07 <Lydia Pintscher> 👋
2024-07-10T16:02:14 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> This meeting will run for 1 hr
2024-07-10T16:02:22 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> During the first half of the meeting we will present the news around the development of Wikidata & Wikibase in Q.2
2024-07-10T16:02:29 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> We’ll also share some interesting non-dev things that happened
2024-07-10T16:02:35 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Then we’ll get to hear what’s coming next for Q.3
2024-07-10T16:02:49 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> After that we will welcome your questions and discussions
2024-07-10T16:02:59 <Lucas Werkmeister> o/
2024-07-10T16:03:17 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Alright! Let's kick off with the development highlights from the past few months.
2024-07-10T16:03:19 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Over to you @nightrose, for the latest on #Wikidata 😊
2024-07-10T16:03:24 <Lydia Pintscher> Hey folks :)
2024-07-10T16:03:45 <Jon Amar> <new_chat_participant,new_chat_member,new_chat_members>
2024-07-10T16:03:48 <Lydia Pintscher> On the Wikidata side we have done quite a few things this past quarter.
2024-07-10T16:04:25 <Lydia Pintscher> We've continued to build out the Wikibase REST API. We finished the routes for modifying the data of an Item and Property. You can now create Items with it and we have improved error handling and messages.
2024-07-10T16:05:04 <Lydia Pintscher> <link_preview_options> We've put finishing touches on the mul language code. It's now available on https://test.wikidata.org and https://wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org for testing by you.
2024-07-10T16:05:34 <Lydia Pintscher> We've also collected more material for a newlanding page for developers who want to build applications with our data.
2024-07-10T16:05:48 <Lydia Pintscher> And probably the biggest thing is the new datatype for EntitySchemas!
2024-07-10T16:05:58 <Lydia Pintscher> You can now make statements linking to EntitySchemas.
2024-07-10T16:06:26 <Lydia Pintscher> This is a big part of making EntitySchemas more useful and helpful for data quality work, especially more consistent modelling of Items.
2024-07-10T16:07:11 <Lydia Pintscher> I'm really excited that Teester already adapted their user script to automatically use these statements to check an Item you are on. More on that later from Mohammed.
2024-07-10T16:08:00 <Lydia Pintscher> There is still a lot more to do, like building tooling to automatically check a lot of Items and then create work lists with problematic Items. But this new datatype is the groundwork to make all that possible.
2024-07-10T16:08:38 <Lydia Pintscher> <link_preview_options> If you want to write an EntitySchema and need some handholding there is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Schemas/Request_an_EntitySchema that works just like the Request a Query page for help with writing SPARQL queries.
2024-07-10T16:09:33 <Lydia Pintscher> And of course more things happened around better integration between Wikidata and the other Wikimedia projects. Danny, what was going on?
2024-07-10T16:09:54 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Hello everyone!
2024-07-10T16:10:31 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> On the Dev front, we still don't have too much to report.
We’ve started investigations for the ticket about moving the “data item” link outside the sidebar toolbox (phab:T66315) amongst others in our Onboarding tickets for our newly hired Development team.
2024-07-10T16:11:33 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> And really, that is our best and biggest update, is that we will soon have the resources and capacity to start building those integrations we know you, the community want to see!
2024-07-10T16:11:52 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Short but sweet...or Suite?
2024-07-10T16:12:08 <Jon Amar> 😄
2024-07-10T16:12:11 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> With that I'm passing it over to the Wikibase Suite and Cloud team
2024-07-10T16:12:29 <Jon Amar> Hi folx! I’m going to be covering Suite, as usual, and also Cloud today as Anton is sadly unavailable
2024-07-10T16:12:53 <Jon Amar> First up self-hosting news via the Wikibase Suite team
2024-07-10T16:13:24 <Jon Amar> The big news is just around the corner from being released
2024-07-10T16:13:50 <Jon Amar> A made a total overhaul of what used to be the wikibase Suite “example” directory.
2024-07-10T16:14:04 <Jon Amar> We’ve turned this into a complete deployment kit, that we’re calling Wikibase Suite Deploy.
2024-07-10T16:14:20 <Jon Amar> <link_preview_options> It works best via docker hub (which will be available upon release next week) but in the meantime if you curious to see the new structure and completely overhauled deployment documentation take a look here: https://github.com/wmde/wikibase-release-pipeline/tree/main/deplo
2024-07-10T16:14:40 <Jon Amar> A few highlights:
2024-07-10T16:15:05 <Ismael Olea> reply to <Jon Amar> "<link_preview_option…" <message_thread_id> wrong link? I get a 404 - page not found.
2024-07-10T16:15:18 <Jon Amar> First off, we significantly improved the separation of config, code, and data. You can find all the config in logical places
2024-07-10T16:15:28 <Jon Amar> good catch Ismael
2024-07-10T16:15:33 <Albin "Abbe" Larsson> reply to <Ismael Olea> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id,link_preview_options> https://github.com/wmde/wikibase-release-pipeline/tree/main/deploy
2024-07-10T16:15:36 <Jon Amar> <link_preview_options> https://github.com/wmde/wikibase-release-pipeline/tree/main/deploy
2024-07-10T16:16:26 <Jon Amar> Huge thank you to Jeff from Enslaved.org for the amazing presentation documenting his challenges here before. It really helped to align our team on the big challenges that existed here.
2024-07-10T16:17:15 <Jon Amar> We also did a big overhaul of our deployment docs, which happen to start with a wonderful summary of what's now in WBS Deploy, so im going to quote ourselves here
2024-07-10T16:17:31 <Jon Amar> > Wikibase Suite (WBS) Deploy is a containerized, production-ready Wikibase system... In addition to Wikibase on MediaWiki, WBS Deploy includes the Wikidata Query Service (WDQS), QuickStatements, Elasticsearch, and a Traefik reverse proxy with SSL termination and ACME support. The service orchestration is implemented using Docker Compose.
2024-07-10T16:17:45 <Ismael Olea> reply to <Jon Amar> "<link_preview_option…" <message_thread_id> looks awesome.
I have a question, can be installed internally (not exposed to Internet) without the ACME/letsencrypt part?
2024-07-10T16:18:25 <Jon Amar> reply to <Ismael Olea> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> I believe so. But I will confirm and followup tomorrow in telegram 🙂
2024-07-10T16:18:42 <Jon Amar> That's the big news for Suite, next up Cloud!
2024-07-10T16:19:13 <Jon Amar> The team updated the Mediawiki version underlying cloud, they are now on MediaWiki 1.39.7
2024-07-10T16:19:26 <Ismael Olea> reply to <Jon Amar> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> yes please, it's a hard requirement for us here. We could modify the conf anyhow, but any tip would be very welcomed.
2024-07-10T16:19:38 <Jon Amar> which is an LTS version of MW.
2024-07-10T16:20:06 <Jon Amar> Users of Wikibase instances on Cloud can now see previews of the images from Commons linked to the items. Previously, they would only see a clickable URL.
2024-07-10T16:20:38 <Jon Amar> <link_preview_options> The Cloud team also published a status page where users can check information about current and past incidents on the platform. https://wmde.github.io/wikibase-cloud-status/
2024-07-10T16:21:10 <Jon Amar> They also optimized how Elastic Search is shared across all instances on Cloud. Andrew, the engineer who worked on this, described it as if each Wikibase instance was a person. Previously, we were providing each person with an entire single-family house, even though the majority of our people were only using one room of their house, we gave them the whole space. With these new changes, we now house all our people in a single apartment block, with apartments perfectly sized to match their actual living requirements. As a result, we need much less land, so our overall costs are significantly reduced. This also reduces complexity which brings about greater stability and makes the overall system easier to manage.
2024-07-10T16:21:28 <Jon Amar> The cloud team also worked on deployment automation and test automation (this work will continue in the upcoming quarter) 🙂
2024-07-10T16:21:46 <Jon Amar> That's all the news fit for print for Cloud and Suite 😄
2024-07-10T16:22:02 <Jon Amar> Back to you Mohammed
2024-07-10T16:22:10 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Thanks Jon for the Wikibase updates! A lot happened in Q.2 on the non-dev side too. On the Wikidata side…
2024-07-10T16:22:19 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> There was an Admin request from one of the original Wikidata admins in 2013 whose term ended due to inactivity. Now they’re back. Welcome @User:The Squirrel Conspiracy 🚀
2024-07-10T16:22:33 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> 12 new Bots came to life and they’re improving Wikidata content in various ways. Big thanks to our Admins, the bot runners, and all of you in the community for making Wikidata better ❤️
2024-07-10T16:22:45 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Several events took place
2024-07-10T16:22:59 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> We run the Wikidata:Events/Leveling Up Days 2024 to welcome new people to Wikidata and to provide an introduction to a selection of useful tools and topics. You can watch the videos available on the program page and contribute to the captions on Wikimedia Commons
2024-07-10T16:23:13 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> We also run Wikidata:Events/Lexicodays 2024 to offer a discussion space for the Wikidata community about Lexicographical Data. We run it in collaboration with the amazing Indonesian Wikidata community. Many thanks to @Fexpr and the team and to everyone in the community who participated. In case you missed it, an archive of slides and session recordings is available at c:Category:Lexicodays 2024
2024-07-10T16:23:25 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> We were also at the Wikimedia Hackathon in May and met some of you there for the first time 🙂. Wikimedians from all over came together to hack on a huge variety of topics, including Wikidata and Wikibase topics. For those who couldn't attend, you can check out the event documentation at mw:Wikimedia Hackathon 2024/Documentation
2024-07-10T16:23:33 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Watch out for the following upcoming events later this year:
2024-07-10T16:23:50 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Wikimania:2024:Wikimania in Katowice, Poland from 7–10 August: Registration is now open! In-person participants: please register until 26 July, 11:59 p.m., UTC. Virtual participants can register anytime. Among other Wikidata sessions that’ll happen there, we will host a meetup where you can come and share your wishes and feature requests about Wikidata with the development team. More details on that later
2024-07-10T16:24:04 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> m:Celtic Knot Conference 2024 in Waterford City, Ireland from 25 to 27 September. This conference usually hosts Wikidata-related sessions. You can now propose your contributions to the program until July 14th
2024-07-10T16:24:22 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> m:WikiIndaba conference 2024, 4 - 6 October 2024 in Johannesburg, South Africa. This conference typically hosts Wikidata-related sessions
2024-07-10T16:24:35 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> During the Q.2, several new tools were developed, along with increased attention given to existing tools that you may have missed
2024-07-10T16:24:50 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> User:Teester/EntityShape.js - a userscript that adds an input box to a Wikidata page wherein you can enter an EntitySchema (such as E10). When you click "Check", it will check whether each statement and property conforms to the schema. It then displays a summary at the top of the Item for each property indicating whether they conform or not. It also adds a badge to each statement and each property on the page indicating whether they conform or not
2024-07-10T16:25:08 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> w:Wikipedia:WE-Framework - a tool developed by Sergey Vladimirov that allows editing related Wikidata elements in a Wikipedia article without having to go to Wikidata. When you save your Wikidata edit, it will reference the utility in the edit summary
2024-07-10T16:25:16 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন) (https://mishramilan.toolforge.org/) - a tool by User:Mahir256 that lists words/phrases in different language catalogs and allowing users to match the entries in those catalogs to existing Wikidata lexemes or to create new lexemes based on those entries
2024-07-10T16:25:25 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> User:Zvpunry/CreateNewItem - This is a User script to easily add a new Item while editing a Statement and noticing that the desired Item is missing
2024-07-10T16:25:56 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Wikidata:Mix'n'match got a new feature - For lists of (full or auto) matches where both the MnM entry and the Wikidata Item have coordinates, it now shows the distance between them in the description
2024-07-10T16:26:09 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> FYI, @camillopellizzari started Wikidata:Tools/Potential gadgets where you can propose to transform an existing CSS or Javascript script (i.e. scripts that you can enable in your common.css and common.js pages) into a gadget. Do check it out and add your suggestions
2024-07-10T16:26:19 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Finally, I just want to say big thanks to all those who nominated Wikidata tools for the 5th edition of the m:Coolest Tool Award! Winning tools will be unveiled at Wikimania 🤞🏼
2024-07-10T16:26:28 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> In Q.2 we saw many new WikiProjects get started:
2024-07-10T16:26:40 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Among the newest WikiProjects are
Wikidata:WikiProject Association football/Euro 2024 - their goal is to collect best practices for items about Q15098367
2024-07-10T16:26:47 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Wikidata:WikiProject Solarpunk - aims to collect and organize Wikidata Items about the Solarpunk Movement
2024-07-10T16:26:57 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Wikidata:WikiProject OghamStones - aims to organize Items around Ogham Stones
2024-07-10T16:27:22 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> WikiProjects are great places to collaborate with others on a specific topic to improve Wikidata. Check them out here Wikidata:WikiProjects and add new ones to the Wikidata Weekly summary so others can find them and join you
2024-07-10T16:27:45 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> We also saw several interesting Press, articles, blog posts and videos related to Wikidata. @Benny_Danjerfield, could you share a few highlights?"
2024-07-10T16:27:56 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Certainly!
2024-07-10T16:28:20 <মাহির মোরশেদ> reply to <Danny Benjafield WMDE> "Certainly!" <message_thread_id> oh no are you ChatGPT ;-)
2024-07-10T16:28:58 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Here is a curated selection of blog posts, videos and articles collected from this Quarters Wikidata weekly summaries. But these ones are only those in other (non-English) languages...
2024-07-10T16:29:21 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Wikidata per la ricerca (Wikidata for research): online conference, organized on 9 April 2024 by Wikimedia Italia, by Epìdosis (in Italian: slides and video)
2024-07-10T16:29:34 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> <link_preview_options> Slides: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_per_la_ricerca.pdf
2024-07-10T16:29:41 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> <link_preview_options> Video: https://cvs5133.ergonet.host/playback/presentation/2.0/playback.html?meetingId=e420724e96d095a1510420cdc783fa50f0aee67a-1712665016023
2024-07-10T16:30:04 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Explorando o Wikidata para pesquisas em Ciências Sociais (Exploring Wikidata for Social Science Research) Portuguese - A Paper on open resources such as Wikidata for Social Sciences, facilitating research in social, economic and cultural areas, by Wenceslao Arroyo-Machado.
2024-07-10T16:30:12 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> <link_preview_options> https://www.pedroandretta.info/index/2024/04/22/explorando-o-wikidata-para-pesquisas-em-ciencias-sociais/
2024-07-10T16:30:30 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> ¿Cómo fortalecer el dominio público con Wikidata? Spanish - This Wikitools Workshop hosted by Jorge Gemetto about Paulina, a tool exploring and accessing Authors and their works public domain information.
2024-07-10T16:30:37 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> <link_preview_options> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Nw0xPT1tw
2024-07-10T16:30:47 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> <link_preview_options> Paulina Tool: https://paulina.toolforge.org/
2024-07-10T16:31:05 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> <link_preview_options> FOSSGIS 2024 Das Zusammenspiel von Wikidata, Wikipedia und OpenStreetMap, German, an introduction to the tags in OpenStreetMap that create connections with Wikidata (and Wikipedia): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHssxXLW558
2024-07-10T16:31:26 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> <link_preview_options> WikipediaPodden Playlist, Swedish, join User:JanAinali and User:magnus for live-editing on a variety of topics and see the thought-process behind modeling decisions.: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL05-NbVFLBYV_XtOHRv6eJ4A7OEvtSKn
2024-07-10T16:31:51 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> <link_preview_options> And finally, Galerij der Groten op Wikidata, Dutch, this blog post follows the efforts to digitize and archive the acts which have performed at the Rotterdam musical institution, the Baroeg café: https://www.wikimedia.nl/actueel/blog/galerij-der-groten-op-wikidata/
2024-07-10T16:32:24 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Back to Mohammed to close out Wikidata non-dev stuff!
2024-07-10T16:32:30 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Thanks not chatGPT Danny :)
2024-07-10T16:32:39 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> A couple of reminders…
2024-07-10T16:32:53 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> It's not too late to join the 2nd iteration of our Wikidata MOOC open from July 1 to August 11! Whether you're a beginner taking your first steps, an individual in need of a refresher on Wikidata concepts, or a seasoned trainer looking to level up your skills - this course is right for you. Register here: Wikidata:Open Online Course
2024-07-10T16:32:53 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> You are welcome. Let me know if I can be of any more service
2024-07-10T16:33:03 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> We updated the summary of our development goals for Q.3 at Wikidata:Development plan. Check it out if you haven’t seen it yet
2024-07-10T16:33:14 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> The Wikidata development team is planning a brief survey to understand the various ways people contribute to the project and identify user contribution patterns. Look out for an announcement soon and please participate in the upcoming survey starting from 15th July to 28th July m:CentralNotice/Request/Wikidata Community Survey 2024
2024-07-10T16:33:21 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Our Call for Project Submissions in the Software Collaboration for Wikidata ended. Many thanks to everyone who put in their applications. You can read more about the projects that got funded here: m:Software Collaboration for Wikidata/Open Call
2024-07-10T16:33:31 <Jan Ainali> reply to <Danny Benjafield WMDE> "<link_preview_option…" <message_thread_id,link_preview_options> I think this is a mixup, in this one we don't live edit. It's a weekly news roundup about all things Wikimedia in Swedish. The live editing is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTZGSNkNP70&list=PLL05-NbVFLBZJqQJD81Pe2zyodzedczLG&index=113
2024-07-10T16:33:32 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> If you're interested in learning more about the exciting projects community members are working on or want to contribute to the list, then consider subscribing to and contributing to the Wikidata newsletter :)
2024-07-10T16:33:34 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Wikidata:Status updates
2024-07-10T16:34:00 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Other interesting non-dev things happened around the WIT team. @Benny_Danjerfield, please fill us in!
2024-07-10T16:34:19 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> reply to <Jan Ainali> "<message_thread_id,l…" <message_thread_id> Oh I'm sorry Jan. I wanted to post the Playlist so editors would have a choice rather than a specific episode
2024-07-10T16:35:08 <Jan Ainali> reply to <Danny Benjafield WMDE> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id,link_preview_options> Ok, that playlist is here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL05-NbVFLBZJqQJD81Pe2zyodzedczLG
2024-07-10T16:35:22 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Wow! In the future I want to go first...following up after Wikidata and all the amazing stuff they did is a tough task!
Here's what us Witties from the Wikidata Integrations team got up to the last Quarter:
2024-07-10T16:36:05 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Our UX research and designer is undertaking a research project to build a foundation from which the team can work from.
Last quarter, we made progress with:
- Interviews with a diverse set of community members, to gain insights on editor motivations, problems, expectations, and priorities.
- Starting a data collection and analysis research project with a dedicated data scientist.
- We will collect metrics to compare the relative scale and usage-frequency of Wikidata integrations into Wikipedia and the other Wiki projects.
2024-07-10T16:36:48 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Along with some of our colleagues in the other teams, 2 team members attended their 1st Wikimedia Hackathon, and made some new connections hopefully for future collaboration. It was really cool to be there and see such a passionate community.
2024-07-10T16:37:14 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> As briefly mentioned in the dev updates, we had a goal of hiring 2 Senior Software Engineers and we are delighted to have found them!
2024-07-10T16:38:41 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Soon we will invite you all to read our first Community Update post on our project pages about these activities in more details, as well as deeper insights and findings of our research project and what that means for our future work!!! So if you haven't visited us over on Meta/WIT, please do so :)
2024-07-10T16:39:09 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> And now I think the Wikibase Team wants to tell you all about their awesome updates!
2024-07-10T16:39:21 <Jon Amar> Hi again ! 😄
2024-07-10T16:39:39 <Jon Amar> In IRL news... Valerie and friends showed up Wikimedia Hackathon and MozFest to get the word out about Wikibase
2024-07-10T16:39:50 <Jon Amar> We’re also working on visual material to make Wikibase easier to grasp for newbies, stay tuned 🙂
2024-07-10T16:40:38 <Jon Amar> We've been working on running more community oriented workshops around the world on the topic of Wikibase and this last quarter our partnerships team supported the running of a Digital Sustainability presentation and workshop with Prater Gallery
2024-07-10T16:40:57 <Jon Amar> <link_preview_options> The findings of the research on knowledge equity in linked open data were published. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Summary_of_findings_on_Knowledge_Equity_in_Linked_Open_Data%2C_submitted_to_Wikimedia_Deutschland.pdf
2024-07-10T16:41:21 <Jon Amar> This was a phenomenal piece of research which I highly recommend you give a read.
2024-07-10T16:41:25 <Jon Amar> The goal of the research was to better understand how Wikibase and Wikidata both support knowledge equity and create barriers to knowledge equity when people are contributing marginalized knowledge and perspectives. The outcome is a number of recommendations for the WMDE product teams to address and reduce any barriers faced in this area.
2024-07-10T16:42:07 <Jon Amar> The Cloud team is also conducting ongoing research of the novice user experience on Wikibase Cloud (we keep doing this in the upcoming quarter)
2024-07-10T16:42:52 <Jon Amar> <link_preview_options> And we did a total redesign of the wikibase docs home page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase
2024-07-10T16:43:21 <Jon Amar> the goal was to remove a lot of the duplicate docs links across the two products (cloud and suite)
2024-07-10T16:43:50 <Jon Amar> and also have a more task-oriented approach, so you can show up with a problem to solve and find your way to the solution you need.
2024-07-10T16:44:16 <Jon Amar> still more work planned to make it easier to understand which docs apply to which products but excited for this big step forward
2024-07-10T16:44:37 <Jon Amar> That's all for Wikibase back to Mohammed 😄
2024-07-10T16:44:44 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> That was all the updates from the past quarter. Let's refocus on the development updates for Wikidata and Wikibase. What's coming up in Q.3? @nightrose, could you give us a glimpse?
2024-07-10T16:45:48 <Lydia Pintscher> As I said earlier we released the new datatype for EntitySchemas. We'll be polishing that some more. Especially when making a statement with the new datatype we'll add search by label and alias so you don't have to know the EntitySchema ID like now.
2024-07-10T16:46:28 <Lydia Pintscher> A researcher are also working on improving the tool to check Items against EntitySchemas to make the validation messages more understandable.
2024-07-10T16:47:17 <Lydia Pintscher> Another team of researchers is working on a tool to make creating new EntitySchemas easier by trying to infer it from a bunch of Items you give it. They are looking for testers. Let me know if you'd like to get in touch with them to try it out.
2024-07-10T16:47:33 <Lydia Pintscher> Additionally the day of mul will come!
2024-07-10T16:47:58 <Lydia Pintscher> On July 29th we plan to enable it in the limited release mode on Wikidata. And a bit later for everyone on Wikidata.
2024-07-10T16:48:30 <Nikki> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "As I said earlier we…" <message_thread_id> when are you going to add that for senses?
2024-07-10T16:48:35 <Lydia Pintscher> We will also finish the work on the developer landing page so we have a place we can send developers to who want to build applications based on Wikdiata's data.
2024-07-10T16:49:09 <Moebeus> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "On July 29th we plan…" <message_thread_id,quote> what's that, 10xWikidata Editors only mode?
2024-07-10T16:49:13 <Lydia Pintscher> And last but not least we will do research around how to improve data access for application developers.
2024-07-10T16:49:33 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Nikki> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> Good question. I don't have an answer yet but I'll bump it up the list.
2024-07-10T16:49:54 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Moebeus> "<message_thread_id,q…" <message_thread_id> Haha basically. You have to explicitly enable it.
2024-07-10T16:49:54 <Ismael Olea> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "Additionally the day…" <message_thread_id> I'm missing what mul is, sorry :-m
2024-07-10T16:50:24 <Luca Martinelli [Sannita]> reply to <Ismael Olea> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> mul = "multilingual" as a code for text
2024-07-10T16:50:38 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Ismael Olea> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> mul is the language code for multilingual content. So it will be used for labels on Items like people where it is the same across a large number of languages.
2024-07-10T16:50:44 <Nikki> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id,link_preview_options> the ticket is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T271500
2024-07-10T16:50:57 <Lydia Pintscher> And with that I'll hand over to Danny.
2024-07-10T16:51:08 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> Thank you Lydia! So what's next for our intrepid team of Wikidata integrators...
2024-07-10T16:51:40 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> As mentioned, one of our big projects through the last 12 months was a comprehensive research project to investigate the status quo of integrations of Wikidata into the sibling projects. That research project is nearing completion and we are looking forward to sharing the findings and outcomes with you soon!
2024-07-10T16:51:51 <Jan Ainali> reply to <Ismael Olea> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> See T285156
2024-07-10T16:52:39 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> And excitingly, we will be attending Wikimania 2024 in Katowice, Poland and have a session reserved to introduce the team, the project and progress to you, the community. The programme schedule is still being determined but we hope to see you there, in-person (or digitally).
2024-07-10T16:53:23 <Danny Benjafield WMDE> I want to say more but we're not ready to reveal all, expect more exciting things at the next Office Hour...and so I pass it on to Jon and those wonderful Wikibasers
2024-07-10T16:53:57 <Jon Amar> Thanks Danny of ambiguous artifice
2024-07-10T16:54:10 <Jon Amar> Wikibase Suite will be building on the “Deploy” foundation to move on to focusing on making updating easier than ever so you can more easily stay up to date with our future releases and benefit from all the hard work our wonderful engineers have been doing.
2024-07-10T16:54:18 <Jon Amar> We will also be looking for ways to support community members in migrating to deploy as we’re aware a lot of self hosted instances are running on older versions of Mediawiki.
2024-07-10T16:54:35 <Jon Amar> <link_preview_options> Look out for some office hours and docs on this topic in the coming months. And drop a phabricator ticket with the initial setup and config tag if you hit and bugs along the way beforehand. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/initial_setup_configuration/
2024-07-10T16:54:59 <Jon Amar> That's it for us, back to Mohammed. Play us out friend!
2024-07-10T16:55:05 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> … and that wraps up our updates. We still have a bit of time for a few more questions
2024-07-10T16:56:14 <Ismael Olea> reply to <Jon Amar> "We will also be look…" <message_thread_id> well, I'm _finally_ doing practical work with WB Suite.
2024-07-10T16:56:24 <Lydia Pintscher> Who will be at Wikimania?
2024-07-10T16:56:50 <Ismael Olea> I've started with the wmde.20 tag release but, should I better move to Deploy? Which branch/tag?
2024-07-10T16:57:11 <Ismael Olea> (because I'm loving the new documentation)
2024-07-10T16:57:31 <Jan Ainali> Any updates on the next Wikidata Birthday?
2024-07-10T16:57:53 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> shhh
2024-07-10T16:58:02 <Ismael Olea> reply to <Ismael Olea> "I've started with th…" <message_thread_id> ping Jon
2024-07-10T16:58:15 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> reply to <Jan Ainali> "Any updates on the n…" <message_thread_id> something is in the works. updates will come soon :)
2024-07-10T16:58:36 <Jon Amar> reply to <Ismael Olea> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> great question. i really encourage you to wait until later this week (next week latest) and pull Deploy from dockerhub once it's on there. it's not built to be grabbed directly from github and youll have an easier go of it. will announce it on mailing list and telegram.
2024-07-10T16:59:20 <Ismael Olea> reply to <Jon Amar> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> I don't care to start right now, while familarizing I can wait for the formal release
2024-07-10T16:59:28 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> reply to <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> don't tell Lea I showed you this Wikidata:Twelfth Birthday
2024-07-10T16:59:41 <Ismael Olea> I still can't have production data, so it would not be a problem to rebuild my installs.
2024-07-10T17:00:41 <Lydia Pintscher> Time for some bragging. What is everyone working on?
2024-07-10T17:00:46 <Jan Ainali> <link_preview_options> WikiProject Govdirectory started with collaboration weeks where we join forces to focus on one country at the time. So far we have done Cameroon and Argentina, currently we are working on Armenia. [1]
2024-07-10T17:01:35 <Lucas Werkmeister> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "Time for some braggi…" <message_thread_id> my toolforge_i18n library is taking shape, so I can maybe make the ranker tool translatable next :)
2024-07-10T17:02:14 <Ismael Olea> <link_preview_options> I'm sprinting for the final part of our WMF Rapid Grant (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Very_Small_GLAM) , working in procedures for WB installation and "certifying" WB Suite in UNRAID OS.
2024-07-10T17:02:34 <GreenReaper> <external_reply,quote> Regarding the user scripts above, which are not available on Wikibase.cloud because users can't use JS... There was a discussion June 3 about this (after it was raised at yet another meeting) where this was defended but came with the attached conclusion, will this be considered again?
2024-07-10T17:03:42 <Ismael Olea> I hope to find time to program a first upload of our GLAM ontology subset, to addopt (and validate) in our new (little) digital archive.
2024-07-10T17:03:44 <GreenReaper> (should be "gadgets and custom JS etc" but got cut off)
2024-07-10T17:04:24 <মাহির মোরশেদ> I'm working on a Listeria clone compatible with the existing "Wikidata list" template; lots of things are still not quite implemented yet, but I've been using it to update some lists on the Bengali Wikisource--soon I hope to address issues surrounding page language and lexeme support
2024-07-10T17:04:41 <Jon Amar> reply to <GreenReaper> "<external_reply,quot…" <message_thread_id> We're looking into all the differences between all three products this quarter (to see where we can find opportunities to standardise and make the differences more transparent) and this is on the list for investigation. thanks for noting it!
2024-07-10T17:06:56 <Moebeus> ignore me if this has already been discussed, but what's happening with the scholarly papers being moved to a federated instance ? (Or did I just dream that was actually happening :)
2024-07-10T17:07:18 <Ismael Olea> reply to <Moebeus> "ignore me if this ha…" <message_thread_id> the Split! the Split!
2024-07-10T17:07:39 <Moebeus> yes, that one! :D
2024-07-10T17:07:50 <মাহির মোরশেদ> and not the Croatian city! :D
2024-07-10T17:07:55 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Moebeus> "ignore me if this ha…" <message_thread_id> The split is on the Blazegraph level. Over the past months the split criteria have been refined with people who were interested.
2024-07-10T17:08:02 <Lydia Pintscher> Let me get you the link to the latest update
2024-07-10T17:08:17 <Lydia Pintscher> <link_preview_options> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service/WDQS_graph_split
2024-07-10T17:09:40 <Ismael Olea> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> Blazegraph level -> new WDQS instance, right?
2024-07-10T17:09:42 <GreenReaper> I think it is actually in testing now or real soon - so you can see what changes will need to be made if any to queries.
2024-07-10T17:09:51 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Ismael Olea> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> Yeah
2024-07-10T17:10:00 <Ismael Olea> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> excellent
2024-07-10T17:10:23 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> ... and that concludes today's Wikidata+Wikibase Office Hour. Thank you all for attending! The log will be shared on our social media channels and mailing list
2024-07-10T17:10:44 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> see you all next time
2024-07-10T17:10:46 <Ismael Olea> thanks!