Wikidata:Property proposal/tiratge

run

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   Done: tiratge (P11200) (Talk and documentation)

Description	number of musical bars for each section of a sardana
Data type	Quantity
Domain	sardana (Q1413570)
Allowed values	[0-9]+
Allowed units	compassos / musical bars
Example 1	La Santa Espina (Q3212717) tiratge/run 23 edit relative to short 0 references add reference 87 edit relative to long 0 references add reference 55 edit relative to jump 0 references add reference add value
Example 2	Q3202896 tiratge/run 41 edit relative to short 0 references add reference 69 edit relative to long 0 references add reference 45 edit relative to jump 0 references add reference add value
Example 3	Sant Martí del Canigó (Q46125652) tiratge/run 38 edit relative to short 0 references add reference 155 edit relative to long 0 references add reference add value
Source	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardana - https://www.lleidaparticipa.cat/public/217/docs/748f95f338b0156bbe79a3d6a31d63bf.pdf
Planned use	Planning to enter some 32k sardanes from https://portalsardanista.cat/enciclopedia/sardanes as one of the goals of the new Wikidata:WikiProject_Sardanes
Wikidata project	Wikidata:WikiProject_Sardanes

Motivació

I have been looking at property musical bars shown (P7141) before filling this request, but it's not the same concept, and it has some constraints (in format and as qualifier) which makes it difficult to use it.

I would use this new property as a multivalued property. It can be two or three pairs of figures with these meaning: first pair is the length of the short (Q114870320) section, the second pair, the length of the long (Q114870393) section. The third optional pair is the measure number for a specific point in the middle of the long (Q114870393) section where the dancers need to jump. The data type, thus, is mixed quantity and number.

There is a good explanation (except for the use of the third value, which is something relatively new but very used by the youngster dancers) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardana

I would add an alias of tirada for this property.

Robertgarrigos (talk) 11:24, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support Interesting property to improve the sardana composition characteristics. Amadalvarez (talk) 09:23, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Medol (talk) 17:33, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Jordiff (talk) 18:11, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

•  Support-- Jordi escarre (talk) 19:13, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
•  Support-- Tiputini (talk) 19:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
•  Support-- Once evaluated some other potential alternatives to cover this need, I see this proposal as an adequate response. --FranSisPac (talk) 22:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

•  Comment The proposed label "run" is almost certainly going to be misused. Can it be modified it to clarify the context in which the proposed property is intended to be used? — The Erinaceous One 🦔 08:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  @The-erinaceous-one I don't know if I understand you. This is a property for a Sardana. I don't know how much concrete we could be. Of course, anyone could use it for I don't know what, but it will be certainly misused if not it's not for a Sardana. Robertgarrigos (talk) 15:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  @Robertgarrigos: WikiData properties should only represent one, specific relationship between entities. The proposed (now new) property should only be used for the "number of musical bars for each section of a sardana", but the label "run" is a very general term that could be misinterpreted as applying to say, runs for a political position or runs in baseball. Could we make the label something that is specific to Sardanas so that it is less easily confused? "Tiratge" would be better with "run" as an alias. — The Erinaceous One 🦔 00:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

  @The-erinaceous-one I don't see any problem to use tiratge as label and run as alias. I understand you are talking about the English label, as the Catalan label will be tiratge anyway. I only proposed run for the English label because that's the term used in the English Wikipedia page I referred to in the motivation. I cannot actually find a good translation into English of tiratge, but if it is ok to use a Catalan word as English label I will not oppose to this, of course. Robertgarrigos (talk) 02:18, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

• @Robertgarrigos, Amadalvarez, Medol, Jordiff, Jordi escarre, Tiputini: and @FranSisPac:  Done --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 14:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks, @Tinker Bell Robertgarrigos (talk) 15:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  @Tinker Bell: That might have been premature, as there was still an open discussion question regarding the label. — The Erinaceous One 🦔 00:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)