Wikidata:Property proposal/writing technique
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writing technique
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work
| Description | technique used for writing on stone, paper or other support |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Example 1 | EDR092763 (Q124815019) -> chiselling (Q125418433) |
| Example 2 | Alexamenos graffito (Q577890) -> scratching (Q125653002) |
| Example 3 | Saint Clement and Sisinnius inscription (Q15157527) -> painted writing (Q125653482) |
| See also | fabrication method (P2079) |
Motivation
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Notified participants of WikiProject Epigraphy As in the case of height of letters (P12549), indicating the writing technique (Q125400578) is a useful part of the description of an inscription (e.g. this detail is present in the entries of Epigraphic Database Roma (Q124541686)). --Epìdosis 17:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Should we limit the type of techniques we could specify? On EDR looking over, I've seen these: scalpro, caelo and signaculo Men (talk) 18:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think that all entities having instance of (P31)writing technique (Q125400578) are valid values for this property. EDR recognizes 18 possible values, listed in the manual at page 15. Epìdosis 23:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Looking for "technique" returned fabrication method (P2079) − can you briefly explain why this would not be a good fit? Jean-Fred (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Jean-Frédéric: firstly thanks for pointing to fabrication method (P2079), I hadn't noticed it; effectively writing technique (Q125400578) wouldn't fit bad in it; I'm now uncertain if we effectively need this new property, although I can still see some potential advantages: a new property "writing technique", which would be a subproperty of "fabrication method", would apply more specifically to the field of epigraphy, and potentially an item regarding an inscription could have both a value of "fabrication method" for processes related to its fabrication as object and a value of "writing technique" for processes related specifically to how it has been inscribed (anyway, these two values could also go, with no particular concern, both in "fabrication method"). I leave the proposal open to collect other opinions if we need a new property or if using P2079 is just fine. --Epìdosis 08:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Jean-Frédéric, Suna no onna:, would you like to give your opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 13:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I already had issues with other properties that were not specific for the kind of matter I try to describe on wikidata: when you try to find a value specific for the matter and the values are limited, it is almost impossible to change the list of values and pick the one you actually need. So, I think we need to have writing techniques property and limit its values to the kind of values that main epigraphic databases use. 158.227.121.88 08:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)--Suna no onna (Mentxu) (talk) 07:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jean-Frédéric, Suna no onna:, would you like to give your opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 07:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I already gave my opinion on 14t, but I wasn't logged and I couldn't sign it properly. Suna no onna (Mentxu) (talk) 07:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jean-Frédéric, Suna no onna:, would you like to give your opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 07:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I already had issues with other properties that were not specific for the kind of matter I try to describe on wikidata: when you try to find a value specific for the matter and the values are limited, it is almost impossible to change the list of values and pick the one you actually need. So, I think we need to have writing techniques property and limit its values to the kind of values that main epigraphic databases use. 158.227.121.88 08:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)--Suna no onna (Mentxu) (talk) 07:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jean-Frédéric, Suna no onna:, would you like to give your opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 13:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jean-Frédéric: firstly thanks for pointing to fabrication method (P2079), I hadn't noticed it; effectively writing technique (Q125400578) wouldn't fit bad in it; I'm now uncertain if we effectively need this new property, although I can still see some potential advantages: a new property "writing technique", which would be a subproperty of "fabrication method", would apply more specifically to the field of epigraphy, and potentially an item regarding an inscription could have both a value of "fabrication method" for processes related to its fabrication as object and a value of "writing technique" for processes related specifically to how it has been inscribed (anyway, these two values could also go, with no particular concern, both in "fabrication method"). I leave the proposal open to collect other opinions if we need a new property or if using P2079 is just fine. --Epìdosis 08:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- there is an EAGLE vocabulary for this https://www.eagle-network.eu/voc/writing.html see also SKOS version which is its source and this article https://content.iospress.com/download/semantic-web/sw200395?id=semantic-web%2Fsw200395 Pietromarialiuzzo (talk) 12:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Epìdosis, Pietromarialiuzzo, Jean-Frédéric, Suna no onna:
Done as writing technique (P12876). Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 07:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)