Talk:2016–17 Premier League

Britannia Stadium - change of name

I've just noticed that there has been a note added to the stadia section against the Stoke City ground (currently known as the Britannia Stadium) to not change the name to the bet365 Stadium because wikipedia avoids sponsor names. I have two issues with this approach to this specific instance.

1. The current name is already a sponsor name (after the Building society)
2. There are a number of other examples where this hasn't been applied (take a look at the current championship season page I counted 4)

If we are going to do this it needs to be consistent. => Spudgfsh (Text Me!) 15:05, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome to take this up at WT:FOOTY (believe it was discussed recently). Basically we avoid sponsornames (which exists temporarily) and use the well known and already established names (with some exceptions). The same applies Dean Court, which is not "Vitality stadium" in our articles. Qed237 (talk) 15:31, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the "Britannia Stadium" already being a sponsor name, that is true. but it has been the name of the stadium since the start and it is the original name and the commonname for the stadium. I can not account for all articles I am not watching, like Championship article, and it feels a bit like WP:OSE, but of course we should be consistent. Qed237 (talk) 15:35, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

There's even an anomaly within the Premier League list. The Etihad Stadium is a sponsored name; the non-sponsored name is the City of Manchester Stadium. The King Power Stadium is a sponsored name - it was originally the Walkers Stadium. As hideous as the "Bet365 Stadium" sounds, the fact is, it's no longer the Britannia Stadium (as Britannia itself was a sponsor). — Preceding unsigned comment added by ABMOT (talk • contribs) 12:52, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Brittania Stadium -- bet365 Stadium

Hi, I found out that there is something wrong on the stadium chart. While it says that the Brittania Stadium would be changed to bet365 Stadium, in the chart it still says "Brittania Stadium". I think that it should be edited ASAP. Thanks Anonymous Douglas491 (talk) 08:02, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See above. — JJMC89 (T·C) 11:44, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2016

Managerial changes must be accounted for 46.11.152.68 (talk) 12:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Also please provide reliable sources. Qed237 (talk) 13:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2016

I would like you to add personnel and sponsoring. 46.11.74.38 (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 16:40, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

IBAF new rules

There are a load of new rules being introduced this season including kick off in any direction and DOGSO punishment reduced. Maybe someone with more details of the new rules could put it in. Mobile mundo (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

White Hart Lane Capacity

The Capacity at WHL will be reduced by as much as 4,000 next season following extensive works in the NE corner and to allow work to continue on the new development adjacent to White Hart Lane.Statto74 (talk) 13:02, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Realistically, we need to wait for the Prem's 2016/17 handbook to be released before the figures will be entirely accurate. Falastur2 ^Talk 22:37, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Highest attendance this season was 31,962 at WHL.Statto74 (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Factual inaccuracy in location column

I have removed the location column from the 2016-17 Premier League as the information listed was factually incorrect. Manchester United are based in the metropolitan borough of Trafford, Greater Manchester - hence the reason it's called Old Trafford. If the location column is to remain then the correct location should either be Trafford or Greater Manchester but that would open a pandora's box on which is preferable (i.e. constant changing and incorrect edits to Manchester) and so I have removed the location column for avoidance of doubt. Stevo1000 (talk) 18:59, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

If something is wrong, then correct it instead of removing thew entire section. Qed237 (talk) 19:11, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm getting a little bit sick of Stevo1000 and his constant complaints about Manchester United being referred to as coming from Manchester. To all intents and purposes, most people don't know the difference between Manchester and Trafford, and if you asked anyone outside the North West where Manchester United were from, I guarantee 99.9% of them would say Manchester. The clue is in the name after all. But the biggest clue for me that this isn't about factual accuracy but more of a criticism of United and their fans "not being from Manchester" is that Stevo isn't complaining about Arsenal, Chelsea and Crystal Palace being referred to as being from London (instead of Holloway, Fulham and South Norwood) respectively. It's exactly the same situation. – PeeJay 11:10, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

The feeling is mutual. You are openly advocating ill-informing readers with factual inaccuracies. I have done nothing but make sure this page is factual. As stated in its aims, Wikipedia is an encyclopedic reference and needs to present facts. You have summarised this point perfectly by saying "most people don't know the difference between Manchester and Trafford" - rather than enlightening people about this and making it clear they are different Metropolitan Boroughs, you are inferring they are both the same when they are not. By inferring Trafford is in Manchester you are also effectively saying the City of Salford, Stockport and the other 6 metropolitan boroughs are actually part of the City of Manchester - which is completely incorrect. Go the Trafford Centre, Old Trafford Cricket Ground, MediaCityUK and even the Old Trafford page itself - are they listed as being in Manchester? No - so why are you trying to dispute a fact? Regarding the London clubs, all boroughs are known as London Boroughs - hence why they are commonly referred to as being simply in London. Whereas Greater Manchester consists of 10 Metropolitan Boroughs which are separate entities in their own right (i.e. Manchester is not Salford and Salford is not in Manchester but they are part of Greater Manchester). You're seeing this from a football perspective and I think you should stick to that because you are good at that but I'm seeing this from a factual geographic perspective from having lived in area. Stevo1000 (talk) 20:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Not trying to be pedantic here, But Manchester United are in Manchester (the County of Greater Manchester not the city) like all the London Teams are in London (the County of Greater London, not the City). I don't notice anyone complaining that e.g., that Spurs are not in London, but the borough of Harringey. In fact Chelsea are not even in the Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, but in Hammersmith and Fulham.46.7.195.132 (talk) 16:56, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I know it's a tiny request, but damn.

Most yellow cards (17) is now held by Watford, since their recent game vs Manchester United.

217.132.130.127 (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I'm been doing} 18:20, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Assists ranking

Add assist ranking chart Blaze09 (talk) 08:07, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Consensus is to not add assist table. Qed237 (talk) 11:27, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

I believe it is done for the La Liga and Bundesliga pages, so (I ask out of curiosity) why is the consensus not to do it for the Premier League page? KP-TheSpectre (talk) 20:40, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Because there aren't any reliable sources for what an assist is, much less who has the most assists in the Premier League. – PeeJay 14:03, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

The Premier League lists assists. As they are the governing body with statisticans covering multiple events in every match such as number of blocks, tackles, interceptions, minutes played by very individual player etc, there is a case for saying that they are an accurate source Only problem is that seasons data is usually deleted by about mid-June.46.7.195.132 (talk) 17:03, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Take the 'AFC' off Bournemouth's name

I can't understand why this is enforced on this page, and the previous seasons for that matter. It is the equivalent to putting FC after all the other clubs, which is not something that is done. Its left in for Bournemouth alone, and it just looks messy.

KP-TheSpectre (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

A lot of football referencing - both on Wikipedia and in the wider world - revolves around how teams are commonly referred to rather than what their correct name is. The vast majority of teams are never referenced with "Football Club"/"F.C." on the ends of their names, but for the rare few which have "AFC" at the start, it seems to have evolved into common practice to refer to them by "AFC <team name>". I'm not certain but I'm fairly sure that's why it gets accepted here too. Falastur2 ^Talk 22:18, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2016

Please change the unbeaten run in epl 16-17 , as now arsenal also has now gone 12 games unbeaten alongside Tottenham . Dawoodabbas26 (talk) 17:47, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done - Arjayay (talk) 18:17, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

 Undone When all matches has been played and all sources has been updated, the entire infobox stats will be updated. It currently states "All statistics correct as of 21 November 2016." and at that date, Arsenal did not have 12 unbeaten matches in a row. Qed237 (talk) 18:45, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2016

151.251.1.158 (talk) 14:37, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 14:39, 18 December 2016 (UTC).

Positions by round

Hello,

Some time ago, I had added a positions by round table, which was then promptly deleted. The same thing has just happened again with another user. No clear reason was ever given. Why is not considered relevant? What are the actual objections against this feature? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob von Schlumpfenberg (talk • contribs) 17:12, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

This has been discussed on the premier league articles, along with an assists table, a number times over the years and every time the consensus has been to no include it. if you think there is a reason why they should be included please use this to start another discussion. => Spudgfsh (Text Me!) 17:18, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2017

I don't need personal access to edit, but wanted to point out that Joshua King (in the top scorer section) links to another Joshua King and should be rerouted to the footballer Josh King. 100.37.4.96 (talk) 17:48, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Done JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:00, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

European Qualification

Now that all 4 FA Cup finalists are in the Top Six, the 7th spot in the league (now Everton) should show as Europa League qualifying Round, 6th place should show Group stage. This is how it is done on all other league wikipedia (Bundesliga, la liga etc) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.100.121 (talk) 23:33, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Footnote a regarding European qualification

"Jump up ^ Since the four 2016–17 FA Cup semifinalists (Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur) and the 2016–17 EFL Cup winners (Manchester United) are all currently in the top 7 of the Premier League table, all of the top 7 teams would qualify for European competition. However, the round that Arsenal and Everton would qualify for in the Europa League would depend on who the FA Cup winner is. If Arsenal win the FA Cup, they would qualify for the group stage while Everton would qualify for the third qualifying round. If a team other than Arsenal wins the FA Cup, Everton would take the group stage berth with the third qualifying round berth going to Arsenal."

And what happens if West Brom, Southampton or Watford overtake Arsenal and/or Everton into the top 7? 86.186.105.99 (talk) 19:16, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Man United X/Q tag

Surely given Man United can still qualify for the Champions League (if they win the Europa League), they should have a "X" tag next to them in the table, as opposed to the Q tag. The legend states

(Q) Qualified to the phase indicated; (X) Assured of at least Europa League, but may still qualify for Champions League.

And they are at a minimum guaranteed Europa, but may still hit Champions League. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.58.120.8 (talk) 23:42, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

At the moment they have actually qualified for Europa League (even if they might forfeit their spot in that competition they have qualified according to the rulebook). Qed237 (talk) 12:23, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

What round do Everton Qualify for?

Please see discussion at Talk:2017–18 UEFA Europa League#What round do Everton Qualify for? - as it related to information on this page. 2A02:C7D:15A:AB00:145B:95:F6C1:7F3 (talk) 21:59, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2017

Add „Goal of the season: Emre Can“ in "Annual awards" 46.10.139.194 (talk) 14:25, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source for this. – PeeJay 15:54, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2017

Attendances

These are the average attendances of all the teams.

Pos	Team	Total	High	Low	Average	Change
1	Manchester United				75,290	n/a†
2	Arsenal				59,957	n/a†
3	West Ham United				56,972	n/a†
4	Manchester City				54,019	n/a†
5	Liverpool FC				53,016	n/a†
6	Chelsea FC				41,508	n/a†
7	Sunderland AFC				41,287	n/a†
8	Everton				39,310	n/a†
9	Leicester City				31,893	n/a†
10	Tottenham Hotspur				31,639	n/a†
11	Southampton FC				30,936	n/a†
12	Middlesbrough FC				30,449	n/a†
13	Stoke City				27,433	n/a†
14	Crystal Palace				25,161	n/a†
15	West Bromwich Albion				23,876	n/a†
16	Hull City				20,761	n/a†
17	Swansea City				20,619	n/a†
18	Watford FC				20,571	n/a†
19	Burnley FC				20,558	n/a†
20	Bournemouth				11,182	n/a†
	League total	0	0	0	0	n/a†

Updated to games played on 3 November 2016
Source: World Football
Notes:
^†

Houndground (talk) 15:00, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

So what? What is the encyclopaedic relevance of this? – PeeJay 15:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Best Goalkeeper.

Should that heading not be changed to "Most Clean Sheets"? The fact that Courtois had the most clean sheets does not mean that he was the best. His peers from the PFA awards named De Gea in the team of the year. Another factor is that he conceded 30 goals in 36 games (.83 per game) and Lloris conceded 24 in 32 games (.75). That being the case, there are at least two reasons to call into question, use of the word "best". In this case, "best" is subjective. 46.7.195.132 (talk) 16:38, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

In this case, you probably ought to post a message on Template talk:Infobox football league season. This change will affect a lot more pages than just this one, so we need a more centralised discussion. – PeeJay 17:09, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, but I am not very familiar with anything on here other than making occasional comments/suggestions on these talk pages. I am a certified techno-muppet. I leave the complex stuff to people like yourself because I have a history of wondering what this button does? Ooops! I should have added that the award Courtois got for this achievement was "The Golden Glove" which is correctly mentioned further down the article.46.7.195.132 (talk) 20:28, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Leaving a message on that page is no more difficult than leaving one here, so I'm sure you won't have any trouble. I'll see what I can do on your behalf though, if you insist. – PeeJay 20:34, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Not being ignorant, but I am not even sure what page you are referring to. Otherwise, thanks again for the reply.46.7.195.132 (talk) 22:07, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Flags

I've noticed that the flag issue has been a problem on the latter two Premier League pages and most users feel that the flags are not necessary, so to make every Premier League page alike, I was suggesting that we should remove the flags of managers from every Premier League page since the managers and players are not representing their nations. What do you think? TB Chigz (talk) 05:58, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

First Division

The "Division 1" label did indeed go beyond 1992 but is not still going on today. League One is not the same thing. Championship is different altogether. But we are talking about top tier football identified by qualification into Europe. Leeds had this in 1992-93. This is why I used the word "notwithstanding" as a disclaimer. So now the article reflects the facts. --D Gums (talk) 10:29, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

What are you talking about? The old first division (the pre-1992 top tier) is now known as the Championship. Anyway, the statement in this article refers to teams attempting to defend the Premier League title, which Leeds have never won, and therefore the statement doesn't belong in this article. – PeeJay 10:46, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I didn't say Leeds won the premier. I said they won the last year's top tier, and subsequently finished lower in the PREMIER LEAGUE than any team playing in Europe the same season as last season's champions. You are arguing against a revision that dealt with your concerns so please stop behaving like your clock is still set at three hours ago. --D Gums (talk) 12:51, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Right, but the sentence is talking about the worst ever defence of a Premier League title, not "the worst since year Y". If we start talking about different competitions, it becomes a different stat altogether. – PeeJay 13:21, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes but it is a related stat that anyone can see as relevant to the topic. --D Gums (talk) 07:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm with PJ. There have been English top division champions relegated the following season, so if we are ignoring the change to PL, then the Leeds performance isn't the worst defence of title ever. I think this is too convoluted to include. Spike 'em (talk) 17:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)