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Talk:Byzantine civil war of 1341–1347

Latest comment: 9 years ago by Llywrch in topic Civil war in the Empire of Trebizond
Featured articleByzantine civil war of 1341–1347 is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that after the destructive Byzantine civil war of 1341–1347, the treasury of the Byzantine Empire contained "nothing but the atoms of Epicurus"?
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I'll work on this in the next few days. Please let me know if I change the meaning of something, and we'll work to restore it. Thanks. Auntieruth55 (talk) 01:13, 22 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

I finally got the page size script to work: as of this post, Prose size (text only): 30 kB (4780 words) "readable prose size" Auntieruth55 (talk) 16:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC)Reply
let me know if there are any issues. I moved one sentence into a footnote, because it was WP:Crystal.
A great "Thanks" for your copyedits, they have improved the article a lot! I reworked/corrected a few cases where the changes led to errors in fact or meaning, and also the footnote, as it does not really fall under WP:CRYSTAL. These events are not prediction of future events but a retrospective on history. Further, as it is from this war that the Ottoman involvement in Europe began, somehow this must be woven into the narrative. Best regards, Constantine 19:31, 23 April 2010 (UTC)Reply
re that footnote, then I suggest you work it into the section where you talk about the end of the empire. Otherwise, it seems redundant. Auntieruth55 (talk) 19:40, 23 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

Civil war in the Empire of Trebizond

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This class conflict was mirrored in the breakaway Byzantine Empire of Trebizond as well, where a pro-imperial and pro-Constantinopolitan urban faction confronted the provincial landholding aristocracy between 1340 and 1349 (cf. Niketas Scholares).

This is not accurate. There was a civil war between factions in that political entity, but it did not have its basis in either a class struggle or between a pro-imperial urban faction & the provincial landowning faction. This is based on an outdated interpretation of the conflict between the Scholarioi & the Amytzantarioi: based on similarities between the two names & a bit of hand-waving, Finlay & Miller associated the Scholarioi with the Scholae of two centuries earlier -- & thus the pro-imperial factions -- & the Amytzantarioi with the local pre-Megas Komnenos landowners. But looking closer, this identification doesn't hold: at one point, the Amytzantarioi supported Irene Palaiologos while the Scholarioi were opposed to her; at a later point the Scholares were opposed to the pro-Lazic Empress Anna while the Amytzantarioi were slaughtered for supporting her. (This absence of a pro-Imperial faction was also argued by Nestor Kavvadas, "Eine Exkommunikationsandrohung des Johannes Kalekas an den Metropoliten von Trapezunt und ihre Hintergründe", Byzantische Zeitschrift, 107 (2014), pp. 691–710.) This sentence should be removed from this article. -- llywrch (talk) 00:25, 26 April 2015 (UTC)Reply