Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mitch McCarthy
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:16, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
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No evidence of WP:Notability. TheKaphox T 18:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- Delete He is a sound engineer and just one of the many people who have worked to create all those artist's album. That does not give him any notability for a Wikipedia article. He fails WP:NARTIST/WP:NMUSIC if he can be categorized in those. There is zero coverage on him in RS anywhere, there are not even some blog who talk about him. He fails GNG this way too. The article has been created by a single purpose account and there is probably just there for WP:PROMO. It should therefore be deleted. Dead Mary (talk) 21:29, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- He was viewed as notable enough to cite within other wiki articles of the albums he has worked on. For example, Emotion cites Mitch along with other mix engineers who worked on the same project who also have their own pages Manny Marroquin, Robert Orton, and Rich Costey. If they are notable enough for the same work to have a page, what limits Mitch's notability? Mvandehei (talk) 15:40, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Mvandehei: You were the one who added the links to Mitch McCarthy on the articles such as Emotion (Carly Rae Jepsen album). There are hundreds and hundreds of people involved in working on albums such as Jepsen's, and the vast majority of them aren't notable enough to have their own articles, such as McCarthy. TheKaphox T 19:47, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- @TheKaphox: I linked it back to his article but his name was already listed a long with all the others cited. What makes McCarthy any less notable where he should not have his own article but Marroquin, Orton, and Costey should? Mvandehei (talk) 15:447, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Mvandehei: The first two have both been nominated for Grammy Awards for their work, and have worked for much more well-known artists, including Alicia Keys, Kanye West, and Lady Gaga. Rich Costy has already been proposed for deletion. As cited in that discussion, he has articles about him in Electronic Musician, Sound on Sound and Alternative Press. TheKaphox T 20:32, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- @TheKaphox: I will again cite that the article meets the General Notability Guidelines including the point that "determining notability does not necessarily depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity." Please see the continued addition of secondary sources and the fact that a mix engineers role on a project is not for personal opinion but a well credited engineer should be noted as such. Mvandehei (talk) 16:42, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Mvandehei: The first two have both been nominated for Grammy Awards for their work, and have worked for much more well-known artists, including Alicia Keys, Kanye West, and Lady Gaga. Rich Costy has already been proposed for deletion. As cited in that discussion, he has articles about him in Electronic Musician, Sound on Sound and Alternative Press. TheKaphox T 20:32, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- @TheKaphox: I linked it back to his article but his name was already listed a long with all the others cited. What makes McCarthy any less notable where he should not have his own article but Marroquin, Orton, and Costey should? Mvandehei (talk) 15:447, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Mvandehei: You were the one who added the links to Mitch McCarthy on the articles such as Emotion (Carly Rae Jepsen album). There are hundreds and hundreds of people involved in working on albums such as Jepsen's, and the vast majority of them aren't notable enough to have their own articles, such as McCarthy. TheKaphox T 19:47, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- He was viewed as notable enough to cite within other wiki articles of the albums he has worked on. For example, Emotion cites Mitch along with other mix engineers who worked on the same project who also have their own pages Manny Marroquin, Robert Orton, and Rich Costey. If they are notable enough for the same work to have a page, what limits Mitch's notability? Mvandehei (talk) 15:40, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:47, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:47, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Google suggests that he has a decent YouTube presence, but that's not the same as being notable. Like Dead Mary, I couldn't find any RS. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:29, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
- His sources come from credits on the tracks he has mixed. The various links from other wiki articles [1] [2] [3] [4], along with Discogs and AllMusic prove the credibility of his work citations. Mix engineers are not highly publicized but equally notable. The article meets the General Notability Guidelines including the point that "determining notability does not necessarily depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity." Other mix engineers on the same albums Mitch is cited on have their own wiki articles and similar, if not less, sources (see above comment). mvandehei (talk) 15:52, 10 October 2016
- Delete Article lacks independent, third party sources ShelbyMarion (talk) 15:16, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
- Weak delete - arguably, based on the large number of credits, there ought to be more and deeper coverage of this mixer/engineer. However, other than the AllMusic link, I don't see a lot of releiable sources on this subject. I'd give the editors a week to work on it, or possibly userfy it. Bearian (talk) 20:50, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
- Do Not Delete Sound Engineers are largely under reported on but Mitch clearly has a large number of credits, not all of which are listed here, based on the AllMusic and Discogs links. He is credible based on the source from a reputable management company linked in his bio. He is referenced and linked to numerous artist and album profiles on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvandehei (talk • contribs) (talk) 14:21, 10 October 2016 Mvandehei (talk) 18:50, 10 October 2016 (UTC)mvandehei
- @Mvandehei: All the articles that link to Mitch McCarthy (as seen here) are links that have been added by yourself. Infact, on the commons file for the infobox image, the user states that the page was created by "the management team of Mitch McCarthy". TheKaphox T 18:55, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- @TheKaphox: I have added in external links from outside sources, none of which I have access to editing, where his work has been cited to prove the credibility and acuracy of the article. The image is owned and was uploaded by his management team and is cited on their website [5] Mixers are generally not heavily talked about in media outlets but that does not deny their notability nor their role on a project. Numerous other mix/sound/audio engineers have Wiki articles such as Jeff Ellis and Jim Anderson and they too have limited sources with their names attached. mvandehei (talk) 15:19, 10 October 2016
- @Mvandehei: Please see WP:PSTS. Wikipedia is based on secondary sources. The website you linked to, "Rebel One", seems to be directly affiliated with Mitch McCarthy, which makes it a primary source. TheKaphox T 19:32, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- @TheKaphox: I have added in external links from outside sources, none of which I have access to editing, where his work has been cited to prove the credibility and acuracy of the article. The image is owned and was uploaded by his management team and is cited on their website [5] Mixers are generally not heavily talked about in media outlets but that does not deny their notability nor their role on a project. Numerous other mix/sound/audio engineers have Wiki articles such as Jeff Ellis and Jim Anderson and they too have limited sources with their names attached. mvandehei (talk) 15:19, 10 October 2016
- @Mvandehei: All the articles that link to Mitch McCarthy (as seen here) are links that have been added by yourself. Infact, on the commons file for the infobox image, the user states that the page was created by "the management team of Mitch McCarthy". TheKaphox T 18:55, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- Do Not Delete "The word "notable" is used on Wikipedia to mean that independent reliable sources have taken notice of the subject." Not to mean of celebrity status. This is an unbiased account of Mitch McCarthy's work on notable and well cited projects. mvandehei (talk) 14:47, 10 October 2016 Mvandehei (talk) 18:50, 10 October 2016 (UTC)mvandehei
- Please contain all your comments in one bullet point, instead of replying twice. TheKaphox T 18:55, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- @TheKaphox: sorry about that, still learning how to work on a talk page. Will take note. Mvandehei (talk) 19:23, 10 October 2016 (UTC)mvandehei
- Please contain all your comments in one bullet point, instead of replying twice. TheKaphox T 18:55, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
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