CONVERSE 
How to Never Run out of Things to Say  

Ben Baker 
 

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Table of Contents 
Introduction 5 

Why is This a Key Skill? 6 

Checkpoint View 8 
Checkpoint 1 10 
Checkpoint 2 10 
Checkpoint 3 11 
Checkpoint 4 11 
Checkpoint 5 11 

The 9 Conversation Commandments 12 

1. Have Conviction 13 

2. Avoid Complaining 14 

3. Avoid Being Random 15 

4. Be a Renaissance Man 16 

5. Comfort Is Key 18 

6. Vocal Tone 19 

7. Avoid Boring Her by Building “Good Tension” 20 

8. Be Expressive 21 

9. Listen 22 

How to Never Run Out of Things to Say 23 

Cookies at The Counter 25 
The Venue Itself 25 

Techniques and Strategies 27 

Qualify 29 

 
 

When You Qualify Her 29 

When You Qualify Yourself 30 

Disqualify 32 
When You Disqualify Her 32 

Sexualize 34 
When to Sexualize 34 
The Magic Formula 35 
Dangers 36 

There Is More 37 

   

 
 

Introduction 
This guide is a bonus section of the ​Attract​ handbook. To get 
the best results, please read the ATTRACT book and ​watch the 
complimentary videos and download the files you received with 
your purchase h
​ ere in this link​.  

If you need help or have questions about signing up, visit ​the 
contact page​. 

This is a ​super quick​ c​ rash course​ on ​conversation ​skills! If 

not THE MOST… one of the most important skills you need in 
order to become charismatic and effectively meet new people. 

 
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Why is This a Key Skill? 

The fastest way to build attraction is by being witty and 
saying clever things.  

It’s a skill you can learn. I used to freeze and run out of things 
every time. But I built a formula and learned how to talk. 

Since then, my social life and relationships with women 

changed. Interactions are easier and effortless. There is almost 
always instant interest and attraction from their end. 

Now I am sending the elevator down for you so you can join 
me on the top too. It’s a good place to be and you’re gonna like 
it.  

In the real world, m

​ ost women​ won’t try to make the 
interaction work because first they don’t know how to, and 
second, if she’s attractive, she knows the next guy is just waiting 
in the line so she’s not going to put any effort to make it work 
with you. 

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In brief, attraction and trust building is a delicate process. 

You should say certain things, at certain times, in a certain way 
to build attraction, trust and comfort.  

● If you say the w

​ rong​ thing ​at the​ ​wrong​ time​ it will tank. 
● If you say the w
​ rong​ thing​ at the r​ ight time​ it will tank. 
● If you say the r​ ight thing​ at the w
​ rong​ time​ it will tank. 
● You should say the r​ ight​ thing​ at the r​ ight​ time​. 

One method of learning this is through ​structured 

conversation ​model.  

Every interaction has a s​ tart​, m

​ iddle​, and e
​ nd phase​! Most of 
the interaction is spent in the middle phase. The attraction is 
built here, and it’s where most guys get stuck. 

The trick is to know what to say at each part, when to 

transition forward or backward from one part to the other. 

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Checkpoint View 
>>> D
​ ownload the high quality version of this doc here​ <<< 

This model is the only structure you need to succeed on 

dates and never run out of things to say. I have used it on the 
exhotic island in Thailand all the way to high end bars in 

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Manhattan. I came up with it when I noticed the same failing 

patterns in my conversations. 

There are points in the interaction that things get stuck and it 
failed. Awkward silence. 

So I started recording my conversations and going through 

them over and over to see where I am going wrong.  

I eventually built this model and it has been working 

beautifully. 

Please log in to the membership site and ​watch the video 

section for detailed examples​ to see this in detail. 

OK, now... think about your interaction like a road. You move 
forward and hit the checkpoints. For each checkpoint there is 
specific material to talk about. 

As you go through the interaction, you move forward and 

backward from these checkpoints. You may go to checkpoint 4 
and then move back to 1. 

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Make sure you download ​this pdf​ and see the lines and 
examples.  

Think about it, picture yourself in the interaction and ​add 

your own content to it​! 

2 things you should constantly do: 

1. Identify where you are in the interaction​ (which checkpoint 

you are at) 

2. Use the content for that checkpoint 

Checkpoint 1 
First part of the interaction or the date. Comfort level is low. 
Still strangers to strangers. Getting to know each other. There 
are specific things to do and things to avoid. Sometimes it may 
take over an hour here. You move forward when you see she’s 
comfortable. It could take 5 min - 1 hour. Depends on you and 
her. 

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Checkpoint 2 
The second​ part of the interaction or the date. ​Comfort level 
is higher​. You are not strangers anymore.  

Getting a bit more personal. There are things to do, and 

things to avoid.  

Here you notice she’s comfortable and open to get closer to 
you. How do you know that? When she openly talks about 
relationships and personal stuff. 

Checkpoint 3 
The third​ part of the interaction or the date. Comfort level is 
very high. There is attraction from her side as well.  

Checkpoint 4 
The fourth​ part of the interaction or the date. You’re almost 
home. She is fully comfortable.  

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Attraction is high and she is aroused too. 

Checkpoint 5 
Fifth part of the interaction or the date. She’s into you fully 
and ready to get physical with you. Party on. 

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The 9 Commandments Of 

Conversation  
Here are the fundamentals of conversation with charisma: 

1. Speak With Conviction 

Speak with conviction… Without conviction nothing else 
works. No doubt, shaky voice or hesitation. ​Watch the video 
section for detailed examples​.  

2. Avoid Complaining 
Never complain about your life or other people. Negative 
statements will come back like a boomerang and hit you in the 
face right between the eyes! 

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3. Avoid Being Random 

Everything you say should have a purpose. You are either 
working the attraction, trust or comfort. Remember the 
checkpoint model. Use that to move the interaction forward. 

4. Be a Renaissance Man 
Understand what it means to be a renaissance man. 

This is from Wikipedia: 

The term Renaissance man or woman or polymath is used for 

a very clever person who is good at many things. 

The idea comes from a time of history called the Renaissance, 

which lasted from about 1400 to about 1600. One of the most 
famous people alive during this time was Leonardo da Vinci. 

He was most famous as a painter, but they may also be a 

scientist, engineer and mathematician. 

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Leonardo is called a ​Renaissance man​. Another Renaissance 

man was Michelangelo, who was a sculptor, painter, architect 
and poet. 

So, you can talk about a lot of ​interesting​ topics women like 
fashion, food, music, travel (Exotic places Greece, Thailand, 
Rome), romance, other dates, scuba diving... the list goes on. 

5. Command Comfort 
When you speak you must look, feel, act and be comfortable. 
No matter what you say if you look tense, uncomfortable or 
fidgets, it will cost you her attraction. This requires c​ onsistent 
awareness​. W
​ atch the video section for detailed examples​. 

6. Vocal Tone 
Deeper voice is more attractive. Beware of the tone of your 
voice at all times. If you naturally have a higher pitch tone, 
speak from your abdomen and deepen your voice a bit. ​Watch 
the video section for detailed examples 

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7. Be Melodic 
Avoid being monotone and boring. Watch Youtube interviews 
with Marvel Cast. See how they interact. W
​ atch the video section 
for detailed examples 

8. Be Expressive 
Use multiple facial expressions during the conversation. 
Maintain a slight smile but still be dynamic, a bit dramatic and 
emote.  

9. Listen 
Listen to her well! Most guys don’t listen. This is a big 
problem most guys have. Especially if the girl is hot, they cut 
her off because they’re excited to be on a date with her! 

Let her speak. And when she’s told her piece, pause before 
you respond. 

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How to Never Run Out of Things to 

Say 
There are several ways to never run out of things to say.  

The easiest solution is to observe what’s around you. There’s 

always something interesting to discuss. If you get in your head, 
ignore your surroundings or lose focus, then the interaction 
gets awkward.  

Let me show you an example. Right now, I’m in a cafe. This is 
what I see… 

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Depending on where you I am in the interaction, the 

interaction frame and the vibe, I could say one of the following  

“What do you think about kids?” 

“We should have three kids. Two boys and two girls.”  
“That chair looks so comfortable! Do you want to try it?” 
“I saw this amazing sofa in Ikea the other day… Let me show you 
a photo I think we should buy it for our new place” 

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“What’s your favorite thing to eat…”. 

“Can you cook? What food are you good at?”  

If she says no, then tell her about your cooking skills or if your 
ex was a cook or something like that. 

“You know what I LOVE the most after a nice meal? That 
Napoleon sweet they actually got it at the front you can see it 
here let’s go have a look.” 

The Venue Itself 

You​: “​ You know there are quite a few cafes here in this town 
but this is definitely one of my favorites. I also like Keshmesh 
cafe. You been there before?” 

Her​: ​“No.” 

You​: “​ It’s awesome it’s larger, good atmosphere, great for 

date too maybe we go there next time.” 

Always look around for things to mention.   

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Techniques and Strategies  

This book is not much about techniques and strategies. I 
have added G
​ et the Girl ​book​ in the membership section for you 
so you can read that for techniques in details.  

However, here I’d like to teach you some key techniques and 
strategies for running better conversations. 

Lack of “tension” in conversation end in getting friend-zoned! 

How many times have you been that guy in ​damage control 
(who's just her friend)... or tried so hard and nothing at the end. 
For me, many many times until I learned to work with tension. 

Proper conversation techniques are subtle and not traceable 

in the interaction​. Each have a time and a place. Quality women 
do it constantly and few guys survive the interactions (Women 
and testing). One reason very few guys end up with the women 
they way! 

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Learn when and how to do these! If you don't know how to do 
it, do NOT Google it, there is so much wrong advice on this. I 
have a full video on how to do it somewhere watch that. 

These techniques help build attraction. Most guys have a 

hard time learning and using these. They end up sounding like a 
weird player guy. You should be smooth. 

Let me show you. 

Qualify 
When You Qualify Her 
When you give her a reason you like her. 

● I like you because you don’t care what I think about you. 
● I like that you don’t drink (Recently sobered). 
● I love the fact that you had the willpower to quit smoking. 
That’s really something (Recently sobered). 
● I like that you are so organized (Entrepreneur chicks). 

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● You’re a hot mess (For starving artist chicks). 

Points: 

The qualifier should not be her looks! Example: ​I like you 

because you’re hot​… will sink like Titanic did. 

You need a genuine reason you like her and the reason 
cannot be her look or massive boobs.  

Do it without showing too much interest. No big pleaser smile 

when you say it. Be cool, chilled, lean back and say it as it’s not 
a big deal. 

When You Qualify Yourself 

When you give her a reason she should like you. 

Never do this! Never do this! Never do this! Never do this!  

● I am a great/nice/generous guy 
● I have money/a house/fancy cars/a hot ex-girlfriend 
● Women like me a lot 

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● I’m better than that other guy(s) 

● Choose me because I’m nice/rich/smart 

Points: 

Never ever do this!  

If you are very advanced, you will have fun using this:  

THIS IS ONLY WHEN YOU GET HOLD OF COMFORT AND THE 

CONVERSATION IS SMOOTH. WHEN YOU CAN BUILD ATTRACTION. 

I was just looking at my reflection in the mirror and... I 

couldn’t help but wonder… how could something be so 
beautiful… I am pretty sure this is what the definition of 
perfection is. 

This is ONLY if you’re already successful in building 

attraction. If you’re new, avoid this.  

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Disqualify 
A powerful and sensitive technique. 

When You Disqualify Her 

Giving her a reason she’s not the right match for you. Very 
edgy! I don’t recommend this one for beginners either! If done 
properly, it will have a tremendous effect and builds attraction 
by making a challenge for her. 

You do it once she’s already comfortable with you and the 

conversation is flowing already. 

I think we should be just friends. I need to know you more 

before getting intimate with you. 

You are a ​Taurus​. I am a L

​ eo​. We will have an exceptionally 
average sex life. I’ll probably fall asleep in the middle. I need 
passionate crazy woman who enjoys slowwwwww…. longggggg 
passionate kisses.  

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Only say if you are close to her and she is comfortable with 
you. 

Points: 

Must be done very playfully, at the right time with a nice 

build up 

If she doesn’t care for you just yet, it won’t work and she just 
says… 

“Ok whatever.” 

Sexualize 
How to make things sexual between you and her and be more 
than just friends. 

A lot of guys get the date but get stuck at friendzone. The 
reason for that is lack of physical and more importantly ​verbal 
escalation​! 

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If you want her to feel attraction for you and get closer to 
you, you have to say things that create sexual tension! It won’t 
be comfortable but you’ll have to do… We all do and once you 
get a hold of it, it will be so much fun. 

When to Sexualize 
When there is comfort and trust. She is in a conversation with 
you already, she feels relaxed. Can’t be exact on the timing 
since it’s different for everyone. 

The Magic Formula 

Humor​ and ​playfulness​. You got to be playful when you say 
these. If you are playful and polite you can pretty much say 
anything. 

Make sure you watch the videos that come with the program 
to see how exactly to say these since there is a right and a 
wrong way of doing it. 

These are the most effective ones I have discovered: 

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“You know, I was thinking you and I make pretty kids. Imagine 
a girl with your hair and my eyes! Damn she would be cute…. 
AND… we are going to call her Victoria” 

“You know. I think I could fall in love with you if you be nice 
and sweet to me. Who knows time will tell.” 

“I see us together you know… for future when we decide to 

travel and see the world together and make lots and lots of 
memories and selfies.” 

“You see this glass of wine; I like drinking this with you and at 
the same time I am developing deep emotions for you. Most are 
good and some are questionable.” 

“I was thinking if it’s even possible for us to fall in love and I 

know what’s the answer I came up with? I don’t know! It’s a long 
shot but it’s not impossible!” 

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Dangers 
If you lack conviction, these phrases can raise objections. 
Make sure you study frame control in my book ​Get the Girl​. 

If you see there is no compliance, smoothly transition back to 

a neutral topic. 

There Is More, A LOT More 

Visit the video section of the program where I describe the 
different models and how to maneuver between the layers in 
the conversation. Watch the examples of my conversations with 
women. 

If you need help or have questions about any of this, visit the 
knowledge base​. 

This is Ben, thank you for reading this. See you in ​the 
members area​.  

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