Wikidata:Property proposal/Regente
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Regent
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
Not done
| Description | Guiding orixá or nkisi adopted by the subject |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | Candomblé terreiro (Q3208559) |
| Allowed values | instances of orisha (Q290460), Nkisi (Q1460155) and Caboclo (Q104439732) |
| Example 1 | A Casa dos Caboclos (Q104419272) → Ogun (Q255116) |
| Example 2 | Aba Funjá (Q104419273) → Oshun (Q1851943) |
| Example 3 | Abaça Amazi (Q104419274) → Oshun (Q1851943) |
| Planned use | I'm currently working on uploading over 1.1k items regarding Candomblé terreiros (temples) in Bahia, Brazil. If this proposal is accepted, I'll add this property to all of them. |
| Robot and gadget jobs | Robots can check if the property is being used to designate an orisha (Q290460), Nkisi (Q1460155) or Caboclo (Q104439732) as regent of an item. |
| See also | Wikidata:Property proposal/Liderança, Wikidata:Property proposal/Nação_(candomblé) |
Motivation
[edit]Candomblé terreiros (temples) usually have one or more guiding orixá, who is the deity of their worship. This is an essential part of a terreiro's characterization. The closest existing property I could find is patron saint (P417), which is exclusive to Christianity.
Discussion
[edit]- I do see that patron saint (P417) is very specific to Christianity and thus can't be used here. However I see no reason to create a new property with a narrow scope. If we create a new property is should be able to be used more widely. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 23:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: wouldn't be better if we just broad the scope of P417? --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 08:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm also fine with broading the scope of patron saint (P417). Do you have a good hypernym? Christians likely don't appreciate it if we just use the term god even if it's applicable. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 12:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose a new property, but 
Support broadening the scope of P417. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:11, 25 December 2020 (UTC).- The inverse property is labelled domain of saint or deity (P2925). Maybe we can just use "protector saint or deity". --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 23:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl, Tinker Bell: Indeed, broadening the scope of P417 is a much better solution. I also agree that "protector saint or deity" seems like a good choice for a name. Adding an instance of (P31) of Wikidata property related to religions and beliefs (Q22983697) to P417 as well should solve this altogether. VStocco (WMB) (talk) 14:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Religions: Would it be ok to broaden the scope of P417? --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 03:18, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl, Tinker Bell: Indeed, broadening the scope of P417 is a much better solution. I also agree that "protector saint or deity" seems like a good choice for a name. Adding an instance of (P31) of Wikidata property related to religions and beliefs (Q22983697) to P417 as well should solve this altogether. VStocco (WMB) (talk) 14:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm also fine with broading the scope of patron saint (P417). Do you have a good hypernym? Christians likely don't appreciate it if we just use the term god even if it's applicable. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 12:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: wouldn't be better if we just broad the scope of P417? --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 08:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I left a note on Wikidata:Esplanada#Brazil-related_property_proposals about these three. --- Jura 09:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Support --Luan (talk) 03:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- @VStocco (WMB), ChristianKl, Tinker Bell, Nomen ad hoc, Jura1, Luan:
Not done: Over the past year, no one has been willing to comment on the property. —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 05:19, 7 May 2022 (UTC)