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Ambassadors of France

There are currently 27 1 article sub-categories of Ambassadors of France (there are others at 2, this is just 1 article sub-cats). There are 6 articles directly in the category, so we have not actually made Ambassadors of France a container category. Ambassadors are not default notable, they only get articles of they meet GNG or are defsult notable for other reasons. So there is no reason to assume all these categories will grow in the future. So I think upmergimg these 27 would be wise.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Ambassadors to the Kingdom of England

This category has 2 1 article sub-cats. It also has about 9 direct biographical articles, so it is clearly not a place we insist on dispersing everything. I think these 2 categories (Piland and Portugal) should be upmerged.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Ambassadors of Denmark

Hans Klingenberg is in 9 different categories for Ambassadors from Denmark. Each has either 1 or 2 entries (I think he held multiple of these ambassadorships at once). I really think all 9 categories should be upmerged. I am not sure of all 9 appointments are mentioned in the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Ambassadors to Oman

14 of the sub-categories of this category have 1 article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Ambassadors of Ivory Coast

The category Ambassadors of Ivort Coast only has 5 articles in the permanent Representatives to the UN category. Every other category has 2 or less articles. I think they should all be upmerged.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Ambassadors to Yugoslavia

This category has 20 1 article sub-cats. Since Yugoslavia has not existed for over 20 years these categories seem even less likely to grow than some others. I think this is a really good place to start upmerging. The number of categories with just 1 article we have here is staggering. It probably runs into the thousands.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Making me a list like this is extremely helpful! I'm going to check them out once I get a better sense of how the community feels about the first 3 I proposed. Mason (talk) 23:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

It is like shooting fish in a barrel. Basically any country has multiple 1 article ambassadors from categories and multiple 1 article ambassadors to categories. Well except South Ossetia where there is only 1 article currently categorized as someone who was an ambassador there, but he simultaneously was ambassafor to Russia and Armenia and is not clear he ever even visited South Ossetia. The fact that this scheme ends up including not just past countries but countries with limited diplomatic recognition makes it even more potentially large.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Ambassadors to the United States has only 1 sun-cat with 1 article (the to South Yemen cat) and 2 with 2 articles. However it has 70 direct articles. I do not know how many of those direct articles are examples of not proper dispersion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Women designers

It looks to me like your objection is actually against the designers category. I would agree that it is not a good category, it is essentially grouping together stage designers, fashion designers and some other people just because they all happen to be called "designers" without there being any actual thing that makes them as a group distinct from artists who are not designers. However I think this would mean that we should not have any designer categories, and we should put the various designer categories directly in the artists categories, in all cases, not just for women designers. I would think this would also mean that all articles currently in a "designers" category should be moved up to an artist category until we can justify a specific type of designer category. So we might have a person in "fashion designers" and then in "Tongan artists", "Ghanaian artists" etc. in cases were there are not enough fashion designers from that country to justify its own subcat. This looks to me like an issue with the whole tree though, and not just the women cat, so I am thinking we should solve it at the whole tree level.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Luthiers from Genoa

Category:Luthiers from Genoa has 1 article. It is a person born in 1889, so not even actually a stand-in for Luthiers from the Republic of Genoa. I do not think we need a by city occupational category to hold one article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll check it out, once I get back home from work. Mason (talk) 20:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

LGBTQ people by nationality

The problem is the categories that it transcludes onto the pages that use it, several of which were turned from existing bluelinked "LGBT in X" that exist to non-existing redlinked "LGBTQ in X" categories that don't exist. (For example, it prematurely moved several categories from Category:21st-century LGBT people by nationality to Category:21st-century LGBTQ people by nationality, where they obviously can't be until it exists.) Bearcat (talk) 22:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm.... ok, so I think I'm missing something because the template doesn't use LGBT in FOO like at all. The template shouldn't send anything to "LGBTQ" unless the category name includes LGBTQ. Can you point to a specific example of a page that redlinked, so I can try to understand what the issue actually looks like. Mason (talk) 22:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Drawing artists has been nominated for merging

Category:Drawing artists has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Fram (talk) 13:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

CFD

Hello, Mason,

Thank you for bringing some of the categories created by DinosaursLoveExistence to CFD. This editor has been driving me a little crazy for years now. They typically show up, once a month, create dozens and dozens of empty categories over the course of a day, on a wide range of subjects, I tag them CSD C1 and then, over the course of the next week, IP editors from Nottingham, UK fill most of the empty categories up and I untag them all or Shellwood does. It's a really peculiar division of labor by this editor.

I've rarely had success communicating with an IP editor on a User talk page and DinosaursLoveExistence has never responded to any messages on their User talk page that I've left, neither templates nor personal messages. They have been editing like this for years and years without engaging even when there was a discussion about them on ANI. I'm not optimistic that CFD discussions will draw them out but who knows, maybe eventually we will hear from them. Thanks again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Sure thing. I think DLE has made like 3 edits to people's talk pages. So I'm not optimistic on that front either. But at least now there's a record of linking the two together via the sock puppet investigation. Is blocking them from creating categories until they actually engage with editors something that's doable? It might draw them out. Mason (talk) 11:54, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Drawing artists

The Drawing artists should not be merged to daughtsmen. That term is A-ambiguous, B-toiblesome because it ends in -men and c. Introduces an Emglish variation issue that could be solved by using a different term. If you look up the article Draughtsman you will find there are 6 different occupations that are covered there. The current draughtsman tree is at least to some extent merging the Drawing artist and the drafter terms and has some people who are both. That is only the first problem. The second is that the term ends in -men. We generally avoid using a term that ends in that way. In fact this may be the only Category where a term ends in -men and is not actually gender specific. Fisherman are called fishers, businessmen, which at one point was so unmbiquitous is businesspeople unless we have specific men, policemen, firemen, postman and so on we avoid using. The best term is actually drawers. The problem is that is the same word used for A-parts of a dresser, cabinet or desk, b-an item of clothing and c-people who take water out of a well. So even Drawers (people) would be potentially ambiguous. The best we could do is drawers (artists) which might be better than the current name. C. Even if we ignore that draughtsman is both ambiguous and potentially excluding some of the content, we have the issue that in the US and some other places that use English the preferred spelling is draftsman. Lastly having looked at the sources "draughtsman" or "draftsman" is also not always how these people are described. Many reliable sources just say the person was an artist and mention that thry had notable drawings without ever trying to use a word to say what they were doing. Either "drawing artist" or "Drawers (artists)" is about the best we can do. Either will be far clearer and less ambiguous than the target.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree that Draughtsman is not a great name. I tried to get it changed, but unfortunately other folks liked the name. Mason (talk) 13:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Nobody LIKES the name; it has all the issues JPL sets out. But it IS the standard term in art history, & attempts to make wp the base for reforming the English language are doomed. I think I suggested "Artists notable for their drawings" in an earlier discussion, but that was not liked. The alternative is something using "graphics", but that is even more ambiguous. Many category names have unavoidably to make an ENGVAR choice; that is no issue. Johnbod (talk) 13:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

That's fair. "Likes" really doesn't convey the nuance of the issue/cfd. Thanks for chiming in! Mason (talk) 13:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

The last proposal was to rename the category to drafters, and failed because most of the content are not drafters, but drawers (artists). The current category is grouping people in at least 2 different professions. At present it is a clear violation of the shared name rule.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:07, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

This is not an issue of "liking". It is an issue of having a term that can be used to create a coherent category that groups people in a clear way. If the term was so overwhelmingly the only choice from art history that we had to use it, it would not be a disambiguation page. My term drawers (artists) is by far the best and no one has ever explained why it is not. Avoiding Engvar issues should be one of our considerations in such things. What we have n9w is categories that are grouping together people in two totally different professions that should not be. We need to consider what needs to be done in category names to make them adequately usable. I also do not think this name really meets common name use. Especially in present works. My sense from reading recent obituaries of artists who draw is that draughtsman/draftsman is not the current term for them. No one has really explained why drawing artist is a bad term, and people just ignore my suggestion for drawer (artist). Wikipedia should use terms that will be familiar and clear to reads, and unambiguous. This is why we have a whole tree using "writer", although "author" is a far more common term. The problem is "author" has an at times unclear limit, does it cover all writers, or only a sub-set, such as maybe totally excluding screenwriters and essayists. Also "author" is often used for people we would not call writers. However never as an occupational description, more as a statement of what thry do. Draftsman has six definitions. So at a minimum if we keep draftsman we absolute need to disambiguation the term so people stopped butting in drafters and other people who are not drawers (artists). It would be most helpful if drawer was a term. Basically everywhere else we use the most common term for singers, painters, writers, etc. We do not say "vocal performers" or any other term, and we do not call the other "authors", although that is the far, far more common term. The problem is that as I outlined above drawer is an ambiguous term. So we have to in dome way disambiguation it. We disambiguate publishers (people) and a few other occupations so that is doable. "Artists notable for their drawings" is the worst idea ever. We do not have "Artists notable for their paintings" etc. We just have a convention that we only put people in categories for which it is defining. This applies to those who paint, sculpt, draw, write, illustrate, sing, dance, juggle, act, drum, and so on. The issue is that unlike painter, sculptor, writer, illustrator, singer, dancer, juggler, actor, drummer and many other terms drawer has multiple other meanings and so we cannot assume that we can have a category for it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Actor and Writer are actual articles. Painter appears to be a redirect. It might help a lot if we created an article drawer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
• OK, drawer is an article on the part of a dresser, cabinet or desk. However at drawer (disambiguation) is has a line that says drawer is "someone who engages in drawing".
• I did find this discussion. [1] The common name rule means we should consider how words are actually used by people actually using them. It is clear from this source that "drawer" and "drawing artist" are actual words people use to describe, well, drawing artists. It is clear that there is not a default belief among people actually speaking and writing that "draftsman" is the correct term for this. It is even more clear that the claim that "drawing artist" was made up for use in Wikipedia is not true.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:44, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
  • If that is all you can find, it goes rather effectively to disprove your point! All three uses are from manuals, and grammatically "drawing artist" refers to "the artist [ie reader] who is in the process of drawing", rather than an "artist who is known for drawing", which is what we need a category for. There do appear to be some uses of the latter in the context of Native American/First Nations/Inuit art (from the previous discussion) but that doesn't justify a global category using the term. Try to find a source describing say Raphael, Michelangelo or Guercino as a "drawing artist". Johnbod (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Is there a case for not categorising artists by this medium at all? Just categorising them by the other media they worked in, and having them in "artists" categories if drawing was their only medium? Ham II (talk) 16:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

A weak one perhaps. There is a relatively small number of artists for whom their production of very high quality drawings is properly defining, & I'm not convinced that the category system can't cope with this. There are also a number of less important artists whose sold work includes a high proportion of drawings - Augustus John for example, who banged out commissioned portrait drawings at a great rate. Rather inevitably, none of the four artists I've just mentioned have any drawing-related categories! What are the actual objections to "Category:Artists notable for their drawings"? Johnbod (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Christian, Duke of Saxe-Eisenberg

Christian, Duke of Saxe-Eisenberg is the only biogrsphicak article in the Dukes of Saxe-Eisenberg category. I think we should either delete that category or upmerge in to Dukes of the Holy Roman Empire. The later we should also probably rename to Dukes in the Holy Roman Empire. They were Dukes of specific, by the 17th-century if not slightly ealier often becoming smaller and smaller states. There may have been a title that could be rendered Duke of the Holy Roman Empire in English but it is not clear all people who held the title of Duke in the Holy Roman Empire could be called Duke of the Holy Roman Empire. The in category is accurate, so I think we should go with it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm, could there be more dukes? Usually dukes last at least two generations. We might be able to populate this one Mason (talk) 14:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Ahh, per the page." Established in 1680 for Christian, fifth son of Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Gotha, the Duchy consisted of Eisenberg and the towns of Ronneburg, Roda and Camburg. Upon his death in April 1707, as he had no male heirs, the lands were passed to Saxe-Hildburghausen" There's only 1 duke Mason (talk) 14:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thanks for keeping me company and giving concrete advice during my (now overturned) perma-ban. That's certainly not something to simply expect from an editor as productive in the content arena as yourself. Biohistorian15 (talk) 16:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Kongo people bycentury

Two things. 1-I think we need to also upmerge to Kongo people. 2-I think we should rename that to People from the Kingdom of Kongo. This is probably the Kingdom in Africa, at least south of Egypt where we have the most potential from articles from the 15th-17th centuries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Torridon

Will take it to the talk page tomorrow, as you helpfully suggest. Meanwhile, please let me soon if you are going to scour every one of my edits as it's nearly my bedtime. Ta. Plutonium27 (talk) 23:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

You take a draconian deletionist approach instead of trying to improve the project. Mason (talk) 23:40, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

question

Is there a policy regarding having only the wikidata commons link on a page? For example, your removal of an alternative link to Commons here:[2]. Thank you, -- Ooligan (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Your link is to a category, not a wikicommons link. But the general policies are Wikipedia:Overcategorization, WP:Defining. Mason (talk) 16:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

The norm is not to add everything with the same name to a category per Wikipedia:SHAREDNAME Mason (talk) 16:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Miroslav Lajčák

Miroslav Lajčák is in 4 Ambassador categories. He is the only person in any of the 4 categories. In the case of Slovak Ambassadors to Serbia and Montenegro, since that country only existed 3 years he may be the only person who ever held that position. Under Ambassadors from the Ivory Coast there are 5 or more empty catrgories because 1 article was deleted. I am going to go create a count.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I was trying to count all the 1 article ambassador categories. I got to 2300 some, and was at Mexico, but I lost count. There are over 3000 maybe over 4000, and that is ignoring all the 2 articles ones.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

thanks! it sounds like there's a lot of potential for cleaning up these categories! Mason (talk) 19:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with the nomination to remove the political categories

I would not remove the categories of the people I made because they have many districts that are tied to them. Also many of them were present in their constituencies for a record number of time spent and have numerous dates and places named after them. Some of them also put forward and co-sponsored very important bills. I wouldn’t remove them. Vinnylospo (talk) 17:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome to express your opinion at the CFD, but you really really need to review how defining works because those things you have listed don't belong in the category. Mason (talk) 01:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

You can find numerous linked resources on the warnings I gave you on your talk page. Mason (talk) 01:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Ambassadors

Now that the Prussian one closed the Ivory Coast might be a good place yo go next. I think there may be more sub-cats than there are total articles on ambassadors there because several had appointments to multiple countries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for nudging me :) Mason (talk) 02:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate parameter error

Hello, your recent edit to {{Occupation by nationality and century category header/nationality}} has caused templates that integrate it to generate a duplicate parameter error in other categories, which in turn has caused 12,254 categories to show up in the Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls error category. Can you have a look ate the code you added please and clear the error. Thanks. - X201 (talk) 10:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

absolutely! Mason (talk) 11:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I think that this is edit should fix it (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Occupation_by_nationality_and_century_category_header/nationality&oldid=1245330091) Mason (talk) 11:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Yep, that's fixed it. Just need it to percolate through the system now. Thanks. - X201 (talk) 11:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Computer business people

Since the Pakistanumi computer budinesspeople has only 3 articles it would be probably best to upmerge that as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I wonder if that one can be populated Mason (talk) 03:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Reverts

Hi Smasongarrison. I noticed that you're reverting my edits related to categories even though I had a clear yet unexplained reasons why I removed a category from each one. You should think things through before you revert a bunch of someone's edits.

Category:Mad Max doesn't fit under Category:Wikipedia categories named after games as Mad Max is a film franchise and not a game.

Category:Tomb Raider games shouldn't really fit under Category:Single-player video games because some games in series had additional multiplayer modes.

Category:Infogrames games shouldn't fit under Category:Video games developed in France. It is a category for video games published by a French company however dozens of video games in this category were not developed in France.

Boss key could fit under Category:Video game terminology however this just the name of a keyboard shortcut for hiding programs or whatever. It is not considered a video game-specific concept according to article, similar to Sprite (computer graphics). QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I did revert those changes because your reasons aren't reflective of how categorization works. For example, even though there are some multiple player modes for Tomb Raider Games, the DEFINING feature of the Tomb Raider franchise is that the games are single player. I've looked at your talk page and it's clear that this is a much larger problem. Mason (talk) 23:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

In your edit summary of your most recent revert of Category:Mad Max, you mentioned that you re-added Category:Wikipedia categories named after games because "there is not a more specific category", however you may have been thinking of a category titled Category:Wikipedia categories named after video games which I have created, so it may fit there instead. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I was referring to the lack of a Mad Max video game category Mason (talk) 00:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Phediuk had previously removed Category:Video games developed in France from Category:Infogrames games over the fact the many of video games in this article weren't developed in France but it was reverted by another editor in the next edi a year after. Why would it be eligible to fit into that category ignoring Phediuk's following logic? Why just to indicate where the company is? If so, then you may consider replacing the category with Category:Video games by French companies rather instead. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 16:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Please review of defining categories work. If you thought that Video games by French companies was a better fit, you should have replaced that category instead of merely removing it. Mason (talk) 16:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

OK I just did. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 16:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

And, you reviewed defining? Mason (talk) 16:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Ambassadors

23 of the 38 categories under Ambassadors of Zimbabwe have only 1 article. Several more only have 2 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a crack at populating them once I finish working on the occupation template. Mason (talk) 14:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I highly doubt they can be populated. In fact right now we have 7 Ivorian Ambassador sub-cats that are empty. Hynek Kmoníček a Czech diplomat is emblematic of the craziness of this situation. He is in 15 ambassador categories, 12 of them he is the only article in. He had 2 appointments where he was simultaneously Czech ambassador to 5 or more countries. It is not clear from the article he ever did much at all with some of these countries. People who were Ambassadors have in general been categorized as such, we have however set up a system with far too many narrow intersection categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. I do try to populate categories before I nominate them. Mason (talk) 14:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Then there is Lionel Luckhoo who is in 6 ambassador catrgories, all of which have 1 or 2 articles. However because he was ambassador from 2 counties to 3 countries, all at the same time. So upmerging would place him in 5 categories instead of 6.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Note

Hello, Mason,

Did you notice that Dinosaurs got indefinitely blocked? They had been editing here since 2005, despite their eccentricities, I never thought this would happen. I think that most of their activity was productive as they created a lot of categories that are still in use, their problem was that they refused to communicate even when they were brought to ANI. In that case, the problem was with some stub articles they were creating which is what they used to do before them moved on to categories. Any way, for me, this was definitely a surprise as because of the work I do tagging empty categories, I used to follow their editing pretty closely.

Hope you are doing well. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz! Yes, I did notice that DNE got blocked. I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, a chunk of their category creation was good, but on the other hand, they were not engaging with editor concerns, not explaining their reasoning, and not altering their behavior based on the concerns for the categories that were less than good. All of which are an important parts of wikipedia. My goal had been to get them to engage with the community. DNE is capable of responding on talk pages; they'd done it at least twice. I'd support unblocking them if they engaged. Mason (talk) 22:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:19th-century Mauritian people

A tag has been placed on Category:19th-century Mauritian people indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Category:Trinidad and Tobago writers by century empty?

Hallo, I got a watchlist notice telling me that Category:Trinidad and Tobago writers by century was up for deletion as an empty category.

Looking into its history I see I created it on 24 September 2023 as part of work on Ayanna Lloyd Banwo, when I added Category:21st-century Trinidad and Tobago women writers and created the parent cats Category:21st-century Trinidad and Tobago writers and Category:Trinidad and Tobago writers by century in the existing hierarchy. Your edit in March 2024, using a template instead of explicit cats, seems to have broken the chain, so that Category:21st-century Trinidad and Tobago writers is no longer in Category:Trinidad and Tobago writers by century or any other Trinidad and Tobago category. Was this intended, or accidental? I'm puzzled. You seem immersed in categories so I hope you can clarify what's going on here. (The same thing seems to have happened to the 20th century cats after this edit.) Is it a problem with {{Writers by nationality and century category header}}, which I see you've just been editing, or is it a policy decision somewhere? Thanks. PamD 08:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I've reinstated the container cat for the two T&T writers-by-century cats, and removed the CSD, on the assumption that this was a mistake and not a policy decision.

Is T&T alone, or has this been done for other countries? PamD 09:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Is seems more widespread: Category:20th-century Jordanian writers is not in a Jordan hierarchy, etc. @Liz: for info as an editor interested in empty cats - there may be a lot which have been emptied this way. PamD 09:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

So the template should add in the FOOth-century BAR by century. Let me see what happened Mason (talk) 10:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok, so I think I know what happened. I'll fix it in a bit. I'm sorry about that. Mason (talk) 10:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

My apologies when I added the additional option to how non-diffusing child categories, I accidentally removed a "}}" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Writers_by_nationality_and_century_category_header&diff=prev&oldid=1246670758] when I was adding in the option. I've checked the other categories I implemented the changes in, and it looks like this is the only one that I goofed on. My apologies. Mason (talk) 10:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it - so glad I noticed and could trace the problem back to you. I wonder how many other CSD nominations there were for emptied categories? These things happen, and Wikipedia's setup of alerts worked well in that Liz notified me of the CSD which prompted me to check the history of the cat. Thanks. PamD 12:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Just seeing this discussion thread after leaving my own message on the subject. PamD, thanks for seeing the problem and coming here. I didn't know why the categories were suddenly empty, it can be a mystery when it's a template error. Everything is back to normal now, all the empty categories have been filled and untagged. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Writers by nationality and century category header

Hello, Mason,

Please be very very careful when editing these templates. This is not the first time that your changes to a template have caused categories to empty out and then be refilled once the mistake has been corrected. It's not only a waste of time for those editors untagging the categories for CSD C1 speedy deletion but it can be a mystery for editors to try to figure out why the categories are suddenly empty.

You do an amazing amount of work here on the project, I just like to encourage you, when working with templates, to check your changes after they are made to make sure the edits didn't have any inadvertent consequences. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Yep. I totally agree! (And I think you did a really really good job of striking the balance between mason you do good work, but clearly breaking stuff isn't so good). I clearly need to build more time in on the checking after the change is implemented. On the positive side, the rollout I set up for this change, was designed to do so really slowly, so that it didn't break *everything*. Regardless, clearly, I need to do more during the window between implementation and template updating. Mason (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:14th-century scientists from the Holy Roman Empire

A tag has been placed on Category:14th-century scientists from the Holy Roman Empire indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. ✗plicit 14:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:13th-century scientists from the Holy Roman Empire

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. ✗plicit 14:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

FYI, I fixed the 2nd brain fart that's causing this cascade. I'm going to start vetting these changes in an external software to make sure that I don't miss a }} Mason (talk) 15:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Query

Hey, Mason,

I hope you are having a good weekend. I came across a category in Category:Films about time travel that was empty (but now is filled) and was wondering, do we really need time travel films broken down by year? This seems like an awfully limited categorization. Are other genres of movies broken down by years of the films? Is this ripe for a visit to CFD? You are kind of the king of category nominations so I thought I'd run it by you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Howdy!

I think that there are some film categories broken down by year, but those are mostly broad genres, like Category:Science fiction films by year. There are some that are more narrow, like Category:Superhero films by decade, but even those aren't that well populated. My instinct is that there's probably not enough to justify diffusion by year, but it's an open question. Mason (talk) 04:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, thank you for offering me your opinion. Long ago, I use to participate in CFD discussion but I don't really frequent that area much any more except to scold nominators who empty categories they have nominated. Being a good CFD participant really calls for having an encyclopedic memory of previous discussions. I might try to help out with some more obvious closures. Thanks again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Sure thing! It's definitely a unique skillset, and reminds me a lot of case law. Mason (talk) 01:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:483 BC births

A tag has been placed on Category:483 BC births indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Call of Duty levels

Stop reverting my edits on Category:Call of Duty levels - as only 2 out of 4 of the articles within the category are multiplayer maps while All Ghillied Up and No Russian are clearly not. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

By your logic, only 2 of the 4 categories aren't maps... I wouldn't have to revert your edits if you discussed them on the category talk page or actually engaged in discussion. Mason (talk) 02:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hey thanks for cleaning up and adding further category trees for the labor disputes by country! I appreciate it, it took a while to properly cover all of them (and some have since become defunct due to deleted pages). I understand it was automated/using hotcat but it was still very appreciated! - LoomCreek (talk) 18:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I actually didn't have time to check all of them, so it would be great if you could double check to make sure that each category was placed in the Labor in FOO tree. However, I think that many of them are going to need to be merged because there's just not enough content to justify diffusing them all by country. Mason (talk) 21:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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