Ebert, Plato's Theory of Recollection. Meno 80a-86c
Ebert, Plato's Theory of Recollection. Meno 80a-86c
Ebert, Plato's Theory of Recollection. Meno 80a-86c
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II
It is a sound exegetic principle to start an interpretation of a difficult and
puzzling text with what seems to be clear in it; in the case of the passage
under discussion, this qualification clearly applies to the famous Socratic
geometry lesson (82b9-85b7) s. We can even rely on the text itself for this
assumption : the geometry lesson is meant to be an explication of Socrates'
statement that all learning is recollection (cp. 81d4-5). It is quite evident
from this lesson that the slave-boy is learning something, and in what sense
he is doing so. _After the problem of duplicating a square has been explained
to him, his first answer is erroneous, assuming that one can construct the
double square from the side of double length (82e2-3). He is then brought
to see the error of his first and second proposals, and finally confesses that
he has no answer to the problem at all (84al-2). From that point he is led
to the discovery of the solution : the square of double size can be constructed
from the diagonal of the original square.
It is, however, in no way evident that Socrates' young pupil is recollecting
something in this process of finding an elementary geometrical truth. In
order to give a rational explanation of this discovery one would not have to.
rely on the farfetched and implausible hypothesis of prenatal learning. The
boy corrects his mistakes and makes his discovery by way of trial and error
combined with a method of testing the proposed answers: by counting
segments of equal size in the squares to be compared. It is all the more
paradoxical that Socrates should interrupt his lesson on two occasions (82
and 84a-d) in order to tell Meno, on the first occasion, to pay attention to
the slave-boy's recollection; and, on the second, to ask him what point in
the process of recollection has been reached by the slave.
The promised exemplification of Socrates' puzzling statement turns out to
be rather unsatisfactory. In view of the difficulty involved in making sense
of the geometry lesson as an explanation of the "learning-is-recollection"
statement, if we take this statement at its face value, we would appear to be
justified in trying another approach. Let us suppose that recollection is used
here in a metaphorical way, and that what Socrates wants to draw attention
to is an analogy between learning and recollecting. We should bear in mind
however, that this supposition will shed its hypothetical character only if it
not only provides a plausible interpretation o.f the geometry lesson but can
also be shown to be in accordance with Socrates' speech in 81aS-dS, where
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forgotten. These two steps may coincide in borderline cases, when, for
example, I am suddenly reminded by something of something I had forgotten. But even in these cases the awareness of something's being forgotten
is a logical presupposition for any recollection of it. Only if we recognize
what we have recollected as something we have known earlier but which we
do not actually know, are we entitled to speak of recollection; otherwise it
would not be distinguishable from any new information.
It is easy to see that this gradual succession in the process of recollecting
has its formal counterpart in the passage from error (fictitious knowledge)
to true knowledge : both forgetfulness and error can be characterized as an
ignorance about ignorance; we are lacking knowledge about a lack of knowledge in both cases. And in both cases the way to knowledge leads through
the awareness of one's ignorance.
The first point of my argument is, then, that the geometry lesson points to
this analogy between the process of recollecting and the process of learning
in the sense of "coming to know from an error." We have seen above that
the process of learning Socrates' young interlocutor is undergoing leads from
fictitious knowledge (the answer in 82e2-3), to the predicament in 84al-2,
and from this point to the discovery of the solution (85b). That Plato
wants to lay emphasis upon these steps in the process of learning is shown
by the dramatic staging of the geometry lesson: the questioning of the
slave-boy is divided - - by Socrates' questions directed to Meno in 82e and
8 4 a - d - into three sections (82b9-82e3; 82e14-84a2; 84d3-85b7). These
sections lead to error, predicament, and the discovery of the solution respectively. The fact that the dramatic arrangement of the mathematical lesson
stresses these steps in the process of learning is not, however, sufficient
proof that Plato/Socrates is actually pointing to an analogy between the
processes of learning and recollecting. To prove this we need further evidence. We find it, I should like to suggest, in the questions and comments
Socrates addresses to Meno in the two interruptions of the geometry lesson.
The first interruption (82e4-13) is a comment upon the slave-boy's first
erroneous reply. Socrates calls attention to the fictitious knowledge expressed
in this answer (cp. o[~zal d3~vat 82e5, o~'ezat el0). He then goes on
to urge Meno to "pay attention how he [i.e. the slave] will recollect
step by step (gc;~q;) as one ought to do in recollection" (82e12-13).
This remark implies that someone who is undergoing a process of recollection
will go through a gradual process in a necessary sequence. If we adopt the
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teaching of Meno (and of the reader) and not a mere guiding by means of
questions.
III
In spite of the plausibility of the above interpretation of the geometry lesson,
this leaves us with a problem. If the geometry lesson is designed to illustrate
the analogy between the processes of recollecting and learning (in the sense
of "coming to know from an error"), then any correction of any error will
be a case of "recollection." Is this the whole outcome of the Platonic recollection ? Does Plato merely want to make the somewhat trivial point that
any correction of an error (a false belief) logically presupposes the awareness
of that error ? Or does the Platonic recollection have a more specific significance in the Meno and in the whole of Plato's philosophy ? I think it does.
In order to see this significance, we shall have to consider the function of
the geometry lesson in the wider context of Socrates' discussion with Meno.
In the questioning of the slave we witness nothing but the correction of an
error concerning a particular geometric construction. In the context of the
dialogue, however, the geometry lesson has a much more distinctive function :
it is as it were, the play in Hamlet, a "play within a play," and just like this
performance, it has the object of displaying the state of the persons for
whom it is staged.
We shall see what this lesson is intended to tell us and is intended to tell
Meno about Meno if we turn first to an analysis of Meno's predicament
concerning the nature of virtue expressed in his speech at the beginning of
our passage (79e7-80b7). Meno is fair enough to admit that he has no
answer to Socrates' repeated question (79e5-6) as to the nature of virtue.
All his pretended definitions have been proved to be wrong. The confession
of his predicament, however, is brought out only in 80bl-2, after quite a
lengthy statement concerning what has happened to him in the course of
his discussion with Socrates. The way in which he describes his own aporetic
situation makes it clear that he does not know what his predicament means
to him. He is referring to himself as being "bewitched" and "deluded" and
"enchanted" by Socrates (80a2-3; cp. 80b6). These metaphors as well as
the famous and much quoted comparison of Socrates with the torpedo
paralyzing everybody who gets into contact with him (80a5-bl) are designed
to bring out a negative fact : the loss of the capacity to use one's own mind
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people any number of times, that the double space must have a line of
double length for its side" (84b11-cl. - Lamb's translation). Meno is to
realize that what still appeared to him in 80a-b as a sort of knowledge which
had merely been rendered ineffective by the aporetic incantation, is in fact
a fictitious knowledge, is error. Therefore, the following question insists on
the difference between error and predicament : he who is labouring under a
misapprehension does not even try to find the truth, is not even longing for
knowledge (84c4-6). Socrates concludes his questioning of Meno with
another allusion to the torpedo metaphor : "Then the torpedo's shock was
of advantage to him ?" (84c8. - Lamb's translation). Here, as in 84b6-7,
Socrates' question implies a critique of the negative meaning in Meno's
previous use of the torpedo metaphor.
If Meno, in admitting his predicament, is at the same time displaying his
misunderstanding of predicament - - and this has been confirmed by the
corrections Socrates tries to elicit - - then there must be some point in looking
for a reason for this. Why does Meno misunderstand the function of the
predicament ? We shall find an answer to this question if we analyze Meno's
famous eristical argument (80d5-8). This eristical objection is brought
forward in opposition to Socrates' proposal to look for a common solution
to the common predicament (80d3-4).
Meno's argument consists of three questions. The first (80d5-6) consists
of contesting in a general way the po,ssibility of searching for something
when one does not know what it is ( zo~zo b~r162ogo~ga zd) :zaod:zav 6vt
do,Iv ) and this, it is understood, is the case with Socrates' question
regarding the nature of virtue. Meno's second question (80d6-7). is meant
to support or prove (),d o d6) the argument suggested by the first. It isto
establish why, in the case of a What-question, there can be no method of
searching, no z#,~xor ~'~r#a8o3~" : because the possibility of searching for
something presupposes that one has an idea (cp. :zOo~9~l~,~vor d7) of what
one is looking for. This condition can, of course, not be fulfilled if one
does not know what one is looking for. The last question (d7-8) brings
forward quite a subtle objection. Even if we pass over the difficulties
implied in the notion of looking for something one does not know, even if
we restrict our consideration to the case in which someone stumbles by
chance upon what he is looking for, it must be the case that such a person
would still not have found it; for finding something involves more than
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basic feature in the case of knowing (a) is that this sort of knowledge is
not articulated in propositional form, although 'u,,hat is known (i.e., the
known object) may have the form of a proposition : I can know (a) people's
opinions and judgments and poems. On the other hand, knowledge (p) has
always a propositional character; "knowing (p)" - - if used in the affirmative
can always be constructed with a that-clause.
Now this difference between "knowing (a)" and "knowing (p)" has
consequences for the meaning of the negative use of "to know" (not
knowing) in the two cases. Since what I know (p) is necessarily a fact,
something to be expressed in a true proposition, what I think I know may
be not the case, may be expressed in a false proposition. Thus one meaning
of "not knowing (p)" is "being mistaken." "Not knowing (p)" in this
sense implies "taking a proposition R, to, be true whereas Not-R is true."
But obviously this is not the only meaning of "not knowing (p)." Not
knowing the fact expressed in the true proposition R ought not to imply
taking Not-R to be true. It may as well mean "having no, idea about the fact
expressed by R," or just "not having yet made up one's mind as to whether
R or Not-R is true" (grammatically this latter case is indicated by the use of
an interrogative clause). "Not knowing (p)" in this second sense means
"being ignorant about." Thus, we have to distinguish two senses of "not
knowing (p)" : error and mere ignorance.
In the case of "knowing (a)" however, there is only one opposite meaning:
"Not knowing (a) B" is "not being acquainted with B" and acquaintance,
because of its non-propositional character, does not allow of error : thus there
is no, meaning of "not knowing (a)" which corresponds to, the first sense of
"not knowing (p)." I am acquainted with something if and only if I have
become acquainted with it (which usually means that I have perceived it),
and its idea has not escaped my memory.
Now it will, at first sight, seem rather unlikely that any supposed knowledge (a) should be free from error. Obviously there are cases in which we
are mistaken about an object we are acquainted with. I can, for example,
believe wrongly that I know someone's brother, if the person who has been
introduced to me as such is in fact somebody else. And the same is true of
all cases in which the description of the object consists of referring to
relational properties. (Proper names can also be interpreted as belonging to
this class of descriptions : to know Peter is to know someone whose name
is "Peter." There is, however, a crucial difference between these errors in the
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this ought not to imply that Meno himself is aware of the sophism implied in
his questions. On the contrary, the naivet6 of his question in 81al-2 strongly
suggests that he is unaware of the falsehood of his underlying premisses. He
is in fact labouring under a crucial misapprehension : he believes he knows
what knowledge is, but does not.
In order to correct this error of Meno's, Socrates chooses a digression, the
subtlety of which is, however, not easily recognized by the modern reader.
Socrates assumes the role of an epideictic orator in the style of Gorgias.
Gorgias has been present behind Meno all the time in the dialogue (cp. the
allusions to Gorgias' teaching 70b3, 71c5-d8, 73c7, 76bl, 76c4, 79e6). For
his eristical questions in Gorgias' manner Meno gets in return a "theatrical
reply," a zoayx~} d~:z~xO~o,~r similar to the one in 76d3-5 (cp. 76e3).
Socrates' following short speech in 81a5-d5y with its conclusion that all
learning is recollecting, is, I want to. argue, a parody of a Gorgian epideictic
logos. It has to be read aloud in order to catch the abundant stylistic devices typical of Gorgias' rhetoric. Typical of the Gorgian character of Socrates'
speech is the breaking up of the sentences into small cola, accentuated by
homoioteleuta and alliterations2 * I shall quote a few examples of this:
d~x~]xoa ?d~ dwcS~c?ovze xa't ~/vva~z~v oow6v
(81a5)--twocolaofequal
length immediately at the beginning, with homoioteleuta and a twofold
rhyme within the second. The abundance of rhyming syllables in : ... z~v
[ ~ o o v ~e xa~ zCov [e~etc~v 8aot~ ... :ze~" c~v ... o~t'oe~ ~'dvat c~tcSdvat
(81al0-bl), or in : ~22ot :~o22o~ ~c~v~ot~z~v &sot zSgoc.. (81bl-2) ; the
alliteration in : xa~ zoz~ #ev ze,~evzSv - 8&'7 d~oOv~oxetv xa2ogoot (81b45). The elaborate alternation of ~, z, fl and the figura etymologica in:
c)e'iv c)~ &d zaaza d)~ 6otc6~a~a &afitGovat zbv fllou (81b6-7); the elegant consonance in the antithesis : xal zd &~dc)s xa't ,a g:v ~'Atc)ov (81c6).
The quotation from Pindarus serves to accentuate a prose which embodies
the rules or poetry :~5 rhythm and euphony are overriding grammatical
simplicity: witness the hyperbata (e.g. 81all-b1), and the sonorous,
rhyming genitive cases instead of the nominative (81a10, bl). Besides the
stylistic devices, both the composition and the solemnity of this speech provide further evidence that Socrates is speaking in the r61e of sophistical
orator. It starts off with a reference to authorities, but the pathetic attributes
Socrates is using (cp. aoclo&v 81a5, z$s~a a6, z$s~ot b2) conceal the vagueness
of what they are attributes of. Only Pindarus is mentioned by name, the
"many other poets" are rhetorical dumb actors. The solemnity evoked by the
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The literary character of the passage 81a5-d5 has been misunderstood
because this speech has been taken to. be the enundation of a dogma of
Platonic metaphysics : the Theory of Recollection. Indeed, such a dogma
s
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once again this misunderstanding ought not to be interpreted as merely a
transitory mistake, as a mere missing of the point of Socrates' comparison.
It seems rather to be a consequence of his misconception of knowledge.
Since Meno in the geometry lesson did not go through a process of "recollection" as did the slave, since he has not come to, see and correct his error
about the nature of knowledge, the consequence of a mythological interpretation is quite natural. In the case of knowing by acquaintance, a progress that
leads from a lack of knowledge to knowledge and is not based on outside
information, is possible only in the case o,f recollection, through which we
can come to know something we did not actually know merely by ourselves.
It is Meno's misconception of knowledge that causes him to persist with a
mythological interpretation of the slave's learning and of the "Theory of
Recollection." We should no longer, I think, follow him in this.
NOTES
1 The following article is, in its main argument, part of my doctoral dissertation which is to
he published under the title: Meinung und Wissen in der Philosiphie Platons. I am much
indebted to Mr. Michael Petry for many improvements in the English text.
2 See Cherniss' review of Klara Buchmann : "Die Stellung des Menon in der platonischen
Philosophie," i n : A]Ph 58 (I937) 498; also P. Friedl~inder, Platon vol. II, Berlin I964, 343.
The core of Cherniss" argument is based on a petitio principii : "Yet obviously it is while
disembodied that the soul got its knowledge so that what it 'saw' could be only nonsensible;
apd, since in the Meno 'to know' is admittedly to know the ~(~Og*, the ~ [ ( ~ that the
soul has known must be nonsensible." (Cherniss foe. cit.) There is no statement in the Meno
that would support Cherniss" claim that "in the Meno 'to know' is admittedly to know the
~Og
." C. Huber who, like Cherniss and Priedl/inder, takes recollection in the Meno to
he a recollection of Forms, concedes that "hier yon dem Ideen nicht ausdriicklich die Rede ist'"
(C. Huber, Anamnesis bei Platon,, Miinchen 1964, p. 516; cp. also N. GulIey, Plato's Theory
of Knowledge, London ~96a, p. z9).
See N. Gulley, Plato's Theory of Knowledge, p. 22.
4 See, for example, P. Natorp, Plates Ideenlehre, 5rd edition, Da,rmstadt I96I, p. ~xf., 142-144;
A. Stewart, Plato's Doctrine of Ideas, and edition, New York 1964, p. 26; R.E. Alien,
"Anamnesis in Plato's Meno and Phaedo/" in : Rev. of Met. z3 (:t959/6o) I7o; N. Hartmann,
"Das Problem des Apriorismus in der platonischen Philosophie," in : N. Hartmann, Kleinere
Sehriften, Berlin I957, PP. 48-85 (first published in 1935).
5 See G.W. Leibniz, "'Nouveaux Essais,'" i n : Leibniz, Die Philosophischen Schriften (ed. by
Gerhardt) vol. V, p. 74f- See also Diseours de M~taphysique, vol. IV (Gerhardt), p. 45z f.
6 Natorp, Ioc. cit. p. ~45.
The problem connected with the literary character of Plato's dialogues has been discussed
since Schleiermacher and C.F. Hermann revived interest in it. For recent arguments concerning
this topic see Leo Strauss, " O n Plato's Republic," i n : The City and Man, Chicago ~964;
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Jacob Klein, A Commentary on Plato's Meno, Chapel Hill 1965. The problem is discussed
extensively in the "Introductory Remarks" in Klein's book, which contain a critique of R.
Schaerer, La Question Platonicienne, NeuchStel 1938. See also the "Introduction" in Stanley
Rosen, P~ato's Symposium, New Haven/London 1968.
8 For a discussion of the mathematical background of this lesson see the illuminating article
by M.S. Brown, "'Plalo Disapproves of the Slave-boy's Answer," in : Rev. of Met. 21 (i967)
57-93. However, Brown does not examine the connection between the geometry lesson and
Socrates' speech in 8aa5-d5.
9 See R.S. Bluck, Plato's Meno, Cambridge I964, pp. ~6 and 297.
10 See Gorgias fr. 5 (Diels/Kranz).
11 Bluck in his commentary ad Ioc. says that "it is impossible to say who originated this
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