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STRU'CTURE OF INTERNATIONAL DRUG
'rRAFFICKING ORGANIZATIONS
HEARINGS
BEFORE T.rIE
PERMANENT
SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS
OF THE
COMMrrTEE ON
GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS
UNITED STATES SENATE
ONE HUNDRED FIRST CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION
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JEFF BINGA'MAN, New Mexico JOHN HEINZ, Pennsylvania
HERBERT KOHL, Wisconsin PETE wn..SON, California
JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut
Leonard Weiss, Staff Director
Jo Anne Barnhart, Minority Staff Director
Michal Sue Pl'OS8er, Ohief Olerk
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CONTENTS
Opening statements: P88e
Senator Nunn .................................................................................... ,...................... . I, 67
Senator Roth ............................................................................................................ . 3, 68
Senator Lieberman ................................................................................................. . 13
WITNESSES
'l'UESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 1989
Mary K. Vinson, Minority Investigator, Permanent Subcommittee on Investi-
gations, Committee on Governmental Affairs ........................................................ 6
Bruce M. Carnes, Director, Planning, Budget and Administration, Office of
National Drug Control Policy .................................................................................... 15
David L. Westrate, Assistant Administrator for Operations, Drug Enforce-
ment Administration................................................................................................... 30
William M. Baker, Assistant Director for Intelligence, Federal Bureau of
Investigation, accompanied by David G. Binney, Section Chief, Drug Crimi-
nal Division, and Timothy McNally, Assistant Special Agent in Charge,
Miami FBI Field Office ............................................................................................... 45
Fabio Castillo, author and investigative reporter...................................................... 54
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 1989
Diego Viafara Salinas, a protected witness ................................................................ 69
David Wheeler, a convicted drug smuggler ................................................................ 92
ALPHABETICAL LIST OF WITNESSES
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Intro- Appears
EXHIBITS duced on on page
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1. Chart, the Medellin Cartel, prepared by PSI ......................... .. 6 174
2. Chart, the Cali Cartel, prepared by PSI... ............................... .. 6 175
3, Chart, the North Atlantic Coast Cartel, prepared by PSI.. .. . 6 176
4. Sealed exhibit: Sources for names on organizational
charls ......................................................................................... .. 6
5. Chronology of Colombian events ............................................... . 31 177
6. Videotape of Colombian drug lab, presented by DEA ........... . 32 •
7. Map of United States showing locations of associates of
Pablo Escobar, Jorge Ochoa and Gustavo Gaviria (photo
of chart prepared by DEA) ...................................................... . 34 179
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8. Chart and map showing connection in one particular
cocaine case among Colombia, Bolivia, Argentina and
Philadelphia (photo of chart prepared by DEA) ................ .. 35 180
9. Map showing location of Cali groups in the U.S.-Opera-
tior Calico (photo of chart prepared by DEA) ..................... . 35 181
10. Map showing worldwide seizures of cocaine under Oper-
ation Calico (photo of chart prepared by DEA) .................. .. 36 182
11. Operation Polar Cap, 1989 money laundering case, chart
prepared by DEA ...................................................................... . 37 183
12. Operation Pisces, 1987 money laundering case, chart pre-
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pared by DEA ........................................................................... .. 37 184
13. Swiss Connection, 1986 money laundering case, chart
prepared by DEA ..................................................................... .. 38 185
14. Colombian groups operating in the United States, photo
of chart prepared by the FBI ................................................. .. 48 186
15. The Medellin Cartel, photo of chart prepared by the FBI.. .. . 45 187
16. The processing of cocaine, photo of chart prepared by the
FBI ....................................... ,....................................................... . 45 188
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18. The Bogota Cartel, photo of chart prepared by the FBI ........ 51 190
19. The North Coast Cartel, photo of chart prepared by the
FBI .............................................................................................. .. 51 191
20. The Cali Cartel, photo of chart prepared by the FBI ........... .. 51 192
21. Book: "Cocaine Cowboys," by Fabio Castillo ........................... . 54 •
22. Videotape of terrorist training ................................................... . 74
23. Videotape on Bolivian labs ......................................................... . ••
24. Photograph of Roca Suarez........................................................ .. 107 193
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to all Americans the violence, the arrogance and the raw brutal
power of the drug cartels. It has been difficult for all of us to
accept that in these civilized times and in a modern democratic
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country in this hemisphere, judges, journalists, law enforcement of-
ficials, military personnel, a presidential candidate, the Minister of
Justice and scores of innocent bystanders can all be gunned down
at will in the streets of that country.
We have watched shaken and horrified as the Government of Co-
lombia courageously battles for its very life in a full scale war
against the entrenched armies of the drug kingpins.
What has been perhaps most shocking of all is that in Colombia
the power of Government has been at times nearly eclipsed by the
power of drug traffickers. In normal times, criminal activity oper-
ates at the margins in most societies. For Colombia, however, these
are no lor.ger normal times. The drug cartels have long sinc~
crossed over these margins, feeding the country's economy and
gaining in return some support from the public.
As a result, they are now locked in a power struggle not merely
for marketing territory against another drug gang, but for national
political power and authority against the country's established
Government. What is happening in Colombia must serve as a
lesson not only for our neighbors in Latin America, but for all na-
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tions that have been touched by the plague of drug abuse, includ-
ing our own.
It tells us that the drug trade, if left unchecked, can threaten the
very foundation of democratic society as we know it. It tells us that
nothing is sacred, not our most cherished traditions, not our most
established institutions, in the eyes of the drug traffickers. Finally,
it tells us that no one in the chain of events that fuels the drug
trade, regardless of motive or intent, can escape blame for what we
see happening in Bogota.
Whether it is the peasant in Peru who sells his crop of cocoa leaf,
or the American high school student or young professional who
turns to crack for a cheap high, each of them is clearly responsible
for th~ death and destruction and suffering that now rages in Co-
lombia and in the cities and many rural areas of our own country.
Both as neighbors and in recognition of that responsibility, we
must do our best to help the Colombian Government in its coura-
geous battle against the cartels. I believe that we as a Nation now
recognize that fact and are taking appropriate steps in that direc-
tion.
President Bush responded to the traffickers declaration of war in
Colombia with increased military and law enforcement assistance
in the form of training and equipment. Both the National Drug
Strategy, which was released last week, and the Anti-Drug Abuse
Act of 1988, which Congress passed last year, emphasized the need
for increased coordination as well as cooperation with all of the
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source countries, including Colombia.
In the hearings we begin this morning, the Subcommittee will be
examining in great detail the structure and nature of the Medellin,
Cali, North Atlantic Coast and Bogot.a drug cartels. In a very real
sense we will be learning to know the enemy. And perhaps most
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importantly, we will be assessing the ability of our law enforce-
ment agencies to gather critical intelligence about that enemy.
We will be hearing from law enforcement experts in this country
about the difficulties they have in encountering and identifying
and fighting an enemy who for the most part is safe-housed far
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beyond their jurisdiction. We will also hear during these hearings
from individuals who have themselves lived and worked in Colom-
bia under the constant threat of violence and death at the hands of
drug cartels.
Although these individuals have now left Colombia, their lives
remain haunted by the ability of the cartels to strike back far
beyond the Colombian borders. These individuals are to be com-
mended for their courage in agreeing to be here during the course
of these hearings and share with us their unique knowledge of
these trafficking organ.izations.
I want to commend Senator Roth who, as our Subcommittee
Rankin.g Minority Member has taken the lead in examining the
power and the hierarchy of the drug cartels. He and his staff have
worked diligently in putting this morning's hearing together, and I
thank them for their efforts in this important and critical area.
Their work is particularly relevant to hearings which our Subcom-
mittee will also hold later this month on September 26, 27 and 29
which will focus on the status of U.S. anti-narcotics activities in
the key Andean countries, Peru, Bolivia, as well as Colombia, from
which virtually all the cocaine that enters our country is either
grown, processed and/or shipped.
While this morning's testimony will help us to better understand
the nature of the problem, the testimony 2 weeks from today will
examine the nature of some of the proposed solutions. Taken to-
gether, I am confident that these two sets of hearings will serve to
significantly advance the state of our knowledge about a problem
which we can no longer divorce from the crime and drug related
violence that continues to rage across our own Nation.
Again, I want to thank Senator Roth and his staff for their ef-
forts and I look forward to the morning's testimony.
Senator Roth?
OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR ROTH
Senator ROTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I want to congratulate
you for calling this hearing and commend your staff for their as-
sistance and cooperation in this most important investigation.
Mr. Chairman, your commitment over the years to the pursuit of
a wide variety of investigations relating to the menace of illegal
drugs is indeed well known. PSI has been in the forefront on these
issues-because of our ability to cooperate on these complex inves-
tigations without regard to partisan politics.
The world's attention has recently been focused on the outlaw ac-
tivities of the world's most notorious drug kingpins, the leaders of
the international cocaine cartels. The terrorist tactics of these orga-
nizations have been featured in every major media outlet in the
world. In the past few weeks the cartel leaders have escalated the
violence and even declared war against the Colombian Government
and all who stand in their way.
The people in Colombia have suffered much from the savagery of
the cartel criminals. I commend Colombia's President Barco for his
courage and fortitude in standing up to these narco terrorists. I
hope everyone in America had a chance to see President Barco's
moving appeal, which was broadcast a few weeks ago on all the
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U.S. TV networks. He pointed out that the murder and mayhem in
Colombia would not be going on but for the market and the profits
that American drug users provide.
Those who smoke crack and snort coke ought to recognize their
direct moral link to the assassination of Colombian judges, lawen-
forcement officials, as well as politicians. And it is time for those
Americans who still believe there is such a thing as casual, inno-
cent or harmless use of drugs to stop fooling themselves.
While this hearing will concentrate in the drug trafficking orga-
nizations, we ought to recognize these organizations could not exist
without the dollars of U.S. drug users. I also believe that President
Bush and Director Bennett deserve commendation for responding
promptly with substantial additional assistance to Colombia. They
have recognized that we face a unique opportunity to move against
these international drug trafficking organizations and they have
seized the moment.
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For the past 12 months PSI has investigated the structure of
international cocaine distribution rings. These groups, which have
often been referred to as cocaine cartels, are concentrated in Co-
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lombia, but they also have extensive operations in numerous other
countries, including Bolivia, Peru, Mexico, as well as in the United
States.
Our goal was to identify the internal structure of these narco or-
ganizations and identify their methods of operation. I wanted to
pursue this investigation because in my view we can hardly be ex-
pected to wage a successful war against these drugs unless we fully
understand the enemy and can target its weaknesses.
These hearings constitute the first major public effort to expose
in detail these organizations, their memberships and their methods
of operation. But one of the most disturbing discoveries of our in-
vestigation was the tremendous gaps in our Government's knowl-
edge about these organizations. Although we have learned a great
deal, we have just touched the tip of the iceberg. Moreover, the in-
formation our law enforcement intelligence gathering agencies do
have is not always put to good use.
What is clear is that the small time amateur operations of 15
years ago have developed into sophisticated, illegal conglomerates
that routinely terrorize their adversaries, whether they are rival
terrorist groups or political or law enforcement figures. We have
learned that groups can easily absorb the cost of destroyed labs and
the rest of mid-level traffickers as the cost of doing business.
We have learned, in short, that we need to change our strategy.
If we hope to succeed against this most formidable enemy-and we
must succeed-we need a new approach to the war on drugs that •
emphasizes long term strategy over bang and bust tactics. To date
our efforts have resulted more in a free-for-all than an effective
war against drugs.
Law enforcement agencies are not entirely responsible for that
result. We in Congress must resist the temptation to judge per-
formance prima!'ily by the number of arrests made and quantities
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of drugs seized and instead emphasize the importance of identify-
ing and dismantling the narco organizations themselves.
Our efforts thus far are reminiscent of the failed body countap-
proach used in Vietnam. In order to identify, attack and dismantle
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these international drug organizations, we need a new coordinated
intelligence strategy which will identify the enemy and its weak-
nesses. Any General commanding a force knows that intelligence
about the enemy's deployment, resources and strategy is essential
to success. And the same is true for this war on dr~gs.
We will hear in graphic detail the exploits of these drug king-
pins. We will hear from a former member of a paramilitary group
that was funded and trained under the auspices of the drug assas-
sins, a Colombian author and journalist will describe how attacks
against journalists have eroded Columbia's freedom of press to such
an extent that few newspapers even cover issues related to drugs
and the outlaw activities of the cartels for fear of physical retribu-
tion against reporters and editors.
The deceptive, illusive activities of the cartels mandate a strate-
gy based on intelligence to identify the enemy and determine the
weak links in its operation. The FBI implemented just such a long
term strategy to successfully prosecute and ultimately break up
traditional organized crime groups in this country.
Law fil.nforcement agencies must do a better job of sharing intelli-
gence and cooperating on investigations. We must create an acces-
sible data base readily available to all agencies who need it. In
short, if we are to fight a war on drugs, let's fight a smart war. The
time to act is now before these narco traffickers gain control of
entire regions of Latin America.
I agree with President Bush and Director Bennett that we need a
National Center for Drug Intelligence. I hope my colleagues will
agree with me on this.
Again I want to commend my good friend and colleague, the
Chairman, Senator Nunn for holding these hearings. As I said, he
has been a leader in Congress in the fight against drug traffickers.
As I mentioned earlier, Senator Nunn and I have worked together
on this important and timely investigation.
This investigation has been a real joint effort and I look forward
to continuing to work with Senator Nunn on this vital issue, and I
also commend the Director, Mr. Bennett the FBI and DEA for their
help and cooperation.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Let me just make an administrative announce-
ment here. We do have available on the table ill the back of the
room equipment for translation. We have simultaneous translation
going on for people who speak Spanish and who may not under-
stand clearly what is being said in English. Later during these
hearings we will have Spanish speaking witnesses and we will have
simultaneous translation available for those who need help, as the
Chairman will, in translating that into English.
Senator Roth I will ask you if you will introduce each panel as
we go along here and then I will swear them in and we will receive
their testimony.
Senator ROTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First we will hear
from Ms. Mary Vinson who will provide the staff report. This is the
group that, of course, conducted the investigation that made these
hearings possible.
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Senator NUNN. Do you swear the testimony you give before this
Subcommittee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
the truth, so help you God?
TESTIMONY OF MARY K. VINSON, MINORITY INVESTIGATOR,
PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS, COMMIT-
TEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS
Ms. VINSON. I do. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Senator Roth, and
members of the Subcommittee. I have prepared a statement which
I request be entered into the record,l which I will summarize here.
Last year the Minority staff of the Permanent Subcommittee on
Investigations began an investigation of the structure of interna-
tional drug trafficking organizations focusing on cocaine trafficking
groups. Our goal was to identify the leaders of these organizations
and determine how and to what extent these groups operate within
defined structure. •
The staff contacted a wide variety of individuals in various loca-
tions, both domestically and overseas. Initially we canvassed perti-
nent Government agencies to learn what information had been col-
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lected and analyzed on cocaine trafficking organizations.
Next we traveled to Los Angeles, New York, and Miami, three
major centers of trafficking activity in this country. We inter-
viewed Federal and local officials in those cities to determine what
they knew about the narcotics traffickers who operate in their
cities and how these regional trafficking networks relate to groups
in supplying countries.
Overseas we interviewed foreign and U.S. officials to learn what
they knew of the groups trafficking cocaine in each country. And
finally, we interviewed former members of drug trafficking organi-
zations.
The information on the charts 2 you see here is a synthesis of the
information we gathered during this investigation. The charts rep-
resent our best estimate of who the major chiefs of the cocaine
trade are and how these groups fit together. These charts are not
purported to be comprehensive. Rather, they contain these organi-
zations and individuals which could be identified and whose identi-
ties were corroborated by multiple sources.
I would like at this point to submit. to the Subcommittee under
seal an exhibit describing the source of information for each indi-
vidual and organization listed on the charts. 3 These sources includ-
ed law enforcement agencies, foreign officials, confidential inform-
ants and information taken from indictments. Each name or orga-
nization included in the chart was corroborated by at least two
sources.
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I must add that while there are divergent opinions about how
these groups interrelate, the configuration we have charted here
represents our best understanding. Overall we found that indeed
there are two major Colombian cartels which dominate the cocaine
trade in the western hemisphere, the Medellin cartel and the Cali
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cartel.
1 See p. 109.
2 See Exhibits 1-3 on pp. 174-176.
3 Exhibit 4. Senled exhibit.
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I do not use the word ('cartel" in its strict economic sense, but
simply to connote a group which acts as a unit toward a common
goal. There are secondary trafficking organizations, such as those
represented in the chart of the North Atlantic Coast groups, which
are affiliated with both of the larger cartels and provide services to
them in addition to conducting their own independent trafficking
operations.
Many of the major traffickers on the north coast made their ini-
tial fortune smuggling marijuana during the 1970's and now rent a
variety of their smuggling services to the Cali or Medellin cartels.
As previously indicated, there are many different views among
U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies about the cartels.
However, one uniform view that we found is that the Cali cartel,
albhough smaller in number, runs a much more business like, less
high. profile operation than the Medellin cartel. The Medellin
groups appear to be more loosely organized, informal and spontane-
ous in their operational style than Cali cartel. In fact, some law en-
forcements officials believe that the Cali cartel actually ships more
cocaine to the United States than Medellin cartel.
One of the witnesses you will hear from today, a Colombian jour-
nalist who has investigated cartels extensively, believes that the
Cali cartel may be, indeed, the more significant of the two cartels.
There have been many reports lately of a war between these two
cartels. This, again, is the subject of some dispute within the agen-
cies of our Government. Although there have been significant casu-
alties in Colombia as a result of this war, it does not yet appear to
have either threatened the existence or significantly affected the
operations of the two cartels.
During the course of the investigation we heard two distinctly
separate views on how these organizations function. One view was
that the groups were vertically integrated and run like corpora-
tions with each stage of the cocaine processing and distribution
handled by a separate department.
The other view was that the cartels are very loosely organized,
consisting of a boss and a few trusted lieutenants who subcontract
the services required to process and distribute the product. Under
this view, the organizational configuration changes with each load
of drugs. It appears, however, that the larger the trafficker, the
deeper the vertical integration in the organization.
We found definite indications that a trafficker of the stature of
Gonzalez Rodriguez-Gacha, for example, will have his own paste
suppliers, his own laboratories, his own stash sites and his own
warehouses. He might rent space or services to other minor traf-
fickers, but the infrastructure is his. As would make sense in any
normal business setting, the smaller the trafficker, the less verti-
cally integrated or the less of the infrastructure is his own. This is
not to say that a major trafficker will use only his facilities. One
person we interviewed characterized cocaine traffickers as orga-
nized primarily around opportunities. Although the staff did find
evidence of a defmed, stable infrastructure, these organizations are
also extremely flexible and will use whatever channel is most eco-
nomically profitable at any given moment to export as much co-
caine as possible.
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In sum, we found that there are coherent, identifiable fixed co-
caine trafficking organizations which exist and have directed the
international cocaine trade for at least 10 years. We also found
that there are large gaps in the information our Government has
about these groups. There are several reasons for this lack of infor-
mation.
First, as Senator. Hoth indicated in his statement, because success
in the drug war have heretofore been judged primarily on the basis
of the body count approach-that is, drugs seized and arrests
made-we have tended to emphasize tactical tr\!;elligence about spe-
cific loads of drugs ovei' strategic intelligencl;;. ...bout operations and •
organizations.
Second, even when intelligence information is obtained, it is
often not effectively used. It is not fully shared among agencies, or
may not even be readily retrievable by the originating agency.
There is, in fact, a great deal of information potentially available •
in many different places from many different sources, but it is not
available in one place whet'e it can be most effectively used by all
U.S. Government agencies involved in the war on drugs.
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The intelligence portions of the Administration's drug strategy,
which contemplate establishing a Center for Strategic Intelligence,
would appear to be a good first step in correcting the problem. We
should not, however, dismiss lightly the difficulties inherent in ac-
quiring and sharing drug intelligence. The need to protect inform-
ants is vital, and the natural reluctance to share informant infor-
mation outside the originating agency is one impediment.
The ·fear of compromising sources and methods of intelligence
gathered in court proceedings, as well as the limits and dangers of
intelligence gathering in foreign, countries, are additional obstacles.
We also currently lack an adequ,ate centralized automated data
processing system which could seeurely store and retrieve this in-
formation.
All of these concerns present serious problems, but these prob-
lems, difficult as they are, must be overcome if we are to effectively
dismantle the international cocaine cartels. We cannot win the war
on drugs until we finally fully understand the enemy, and we have
far to go.
I would be happy to answer any questions you may have.
Senator NUNN. Thank you. Senator Roth, you lead off.
Senator ROTH. Thank you very much, Ms. Vinson. Let me ask
you a few brief questions.
As I understand it, essentially there are three cartels. Some
would say four if you list the Bogota as a fourth organization. But
the two most important are the Cali and Medellin.
What percentage of the cocaine traffic do they control, do you
know?
Ms. VINSON. We consistently heard from people that we inter-
viewed during the investigation that those two cartels together con- •
trol 80 percent of the cocaine that comes into this country.
Senator ROTH. So they are, without question, the 2 major factors
in this trafficking?
Ms. VINSON. Yes, sir.
Senator ROTH. Now, you compl:lred the two organizations. The
Medellin Cartel is essentially the largest, but there are those who •
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think that the Cali Cartel is more business-like on the long run,
and a bigger threat; is that correct?
Ms. VINSON. Yes, that is correct. Most of the public attention
heretofore has been focused on Medellin because of their violence,
and they have also made some effort.s to enter the political arena
in the past and consequently have drawn a lot of the attention. But
Cali has consistently been running their operation for at least 10
years in a very organized and sophisticated fashion.
Senator ROTH. Now, let us look at the organizational chart, itself.
The Medellin Cartel is dominated by the three figures, is that cor-
rect, at the top of whose pictures are shown?
Ms. VINSON. Yes, sir.
Senator ROTH. Now, you have sub-divided the organizational
chart by distribution, eupply/distribution, transportation and unde-
fined functions. What do you mean by Hundefined functions"?
Ms. VINSON. This would mean from the information we have re-
ceived which led to these charts that we don't know exactly what
their specialized function or what the strength is, of those particu-
lar groups. We know that they are players in the cartel, but we
don't have information as to what they specialize in.
Senator ROTH. And each of these blocks are primarily identified
by the individual who is the dominating figure?
Ms. VINSON. Yes, sir.
Senator ROTH. These blocks are pretty fluid?
Ms. VINSON. They are fluid in the sense of who they work with
within that sphere of the smaller blocks. They can float around
and put together loads and form alliances and dissolve, but they
are all basically affiliated with the Medellin cartel.
Senator ROTH. And last, let me ask you, do we have any esti-
mates about the size of these cartels and how many individuals are
involved in these activities?
Ms. VINSON. We heard numbers for the Medellin cartel as high
as 100,000 persons. For the Cali cartel, we heard estimates varying
between 2,500 to 6,000, persons.
Senator ROTH. Do we have an estimate on what percentage of
these are located in the United States?
Ms. VINSON. I cannot remember if we do or not.
Senator ROTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Thank you. Ms. Vinson, let me ask you again to
describe how those charts were put together. How did you go about
making sure that any individual named on this chart really was
part of a cartel?
Ms. VINSON. Well first we were provided information that had al-
ready been collected by various agencies in the Government, and
then we began to systematically try and corroborate by asking all
the individuals that we interviewed about certain individuals and
organizations and whether they recognized the name. That's the
fashion in which we tried to corroborate and put together the
chart.
Senator NUNN. How many sources did you have to have before
someone actually went on the chart?
Ms. VINSON. At least two.
Senator NUNN. And they had to be independent sources?
Ms. VINSON. Yes.
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Senator NUNN. And what type of sources? Were these primarily
law enforcement sources?
Ms. VINSON. Primarily law enforcement.
Senator NUNN. Do you have any names up therl~ where no law
enforcement agency named them and they were just named by in-
dividuals, or was at least one law enforcement agency required as a
source?
Ms. VINSON. No, at least one law enforcement agency.
Senator NUNN .. And these were all U.S. law enforcement agen-
cies? •
Ms. VINSON. Yes, sir.
Senator NUNN. No foreign law enforcement agencies were
sources?
Ms. VINSON. We did talk to foreign law enforcement agencies
and they may have been a corroborative source but no, not a prin-
cipal source. •
Senator NUNN. So you basically had to have a primary source
and corroboration that was independent.
Ms. VINSON. Yes.
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Senator NUNN. How does this compare with previous Permanent
Subcommittee on Investigation charts on organized crime in this
country? Is this a comparable procedure?
Ms. VINSON. I cannot answer your question, because I haven't
been involved and I am not really aware how the previous charts
of this nature were put together by PSI.
Senator NUNN. Do we have somebody on the staff that can
answer that?
Ms. HILL. Mr. Chairman, we compiled charts last year in the or-
ganized crime hearings. This was very similar, what Mary has just
described, to what we went through in preparing those, including
the specific number of sources we required. We used law enforce-
ment sources, confidential informants, et cetera.
Senator NUNN. So the procedure used here in identifying cartel
hierarchy is very similar to what we have done in the past in this
Subcommittee for organized crime in America.
Ms. HILL. That is correct.
Senator NUNN. And you have said, I believe, that the sources
that are identified in each case are under seal and are part of our
Subcommittee record?
Ms. VINSON. Yes, sir.
Senator NUNN. Have those been introduced, those sealed docu-
ments?
Ms. VINSON. I asked in my statement that they be introduced, I •
believe they have been.
Senator NUNN. Without objection they will be part of the record,
sealed.
What is the reason for them being sealed?
Ms. VINSON. Part. of the sources are confidential in the law en- •
forcement sense, and also from intelligence agencies.
Senator NUNN. In your statement, Ms. Vinson, you conclude,
quoting you, that "Insufficient effort has been devoted to collecting
and analyzing the information available."
And you have reference to law enforcement in this country, is
that right?
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Ms. VINSON. Yes, sir.
Senator NUNN. On what evidence do you base that conclusion?
Ms. VINSON. I base that conclusion on the fact that when we en-
countered individuals within the various law enforcement agencies
of our Government who had put their personal effort into compil-
ing and systematically putting together this type of organizational
chart, it appeared to us that it was something that had been the
personal interest of an individual who was working in Miami or
one of the other cities and the agency, itself, has come very late to
the idea of doing this.
Senator NUNN. Can you give us some specific examples of places
where you have seen conflicting intelligence from different Govern-
ment agencies, lack of coordination?
Ms. VINSON. We saw a lot of conflicting information, specifical-
ly-well for example, relating to the fact of whether there is a war
going on between the Medellin cartel and the Cali cartel. We would
hear from one agency that it was a very high level war, that was
going on principally between two of the high level members, Pablo
Escobar and Rodriguez-Orejuela from Cali. We would hear from an-
other U.S. agency, or even sometimes within the same agency that
there may be a dispute going on but it was only at the very low
levels. That is an example of the type of conflicting information.
Senator NUNN. Do we.have anything in this law enforcement in-
telligence where you would have a centralized kind of review-we
do this in other national security areas. For instance, you have this
agency says this in terms of intelligence, while another agency has
a dissenting view, and so you can see the various views as they are
compiled. In other words, where. 7~ ~re is dissent, is that known in a
centralized way?
Ms. VINSON. I never saw such a document, no.
Senator NUNN. So you just basically pick up the conflicts by talk-
ing to various agencies.
Ms. VINSON. By asking the same questions to a wide variety of
individuals and agencies.
Senator NUNN. You didn't come across any document or any
kind of procedure whereby you would have an intelligence assess-
ment about a cartel, let's say from the Drug Enforcement Adminis-
tration, with a dissenting opinion from Customs?
Ms. VINSON. No, sir,
Senator NUNN. As I view it, dissenting opinions on intelligence
are not to be discouraged but rather to be documented and brought
to the attention of decision makers. I don't know that we want one
unified intelligence document on complicated, complex material.
For instance in the CIA intelligence, national security intelligence,
we encourage differing views and some redundancy is enormously
important. But you want to make sure that the policymakers un-
derstand those views and that the policymakers really have an, un-
derstanding that there are dissents and what those dissents are.
Did you iind anything like that in the domestic arena?
Ms. VINSON. No, sir.
Senator NUNN. In your own words-and you have already, I
think, captured it pretty well, but I would like to see if we can
digest it-what are we doing right in intelligence in terms of law
enforcement and what are we doing wrong?
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Ms. VINSON. I think that we are beginning to see the need. to sys-
tematically and in a more comprehensive fashion understand the
fundamentals of the way these organizations work, but it is still
startling to me that we have come to that so late in the game.
What we are still doing wrong is going after the symptom and
letting the tail wag the dog in that sense and just stopping with
initial arrests-in this country particularly in law enforcement ef-
forts-and not going beyond the initial circle and trying to analyze
back to what would give us a more comprehensive understanding
of the organizations.
Senator NUNN. In other words, we are focusing on, as you said
earlier, tactical intelligence relating to buys and busts and seizures
and so forth, rather than going to the heart of the intelligence?
Ms. VINSON. Yes, sir.
Senator NUNN. Is that because the effort is not being made, 01' •
because it is just much more difficult to get that strategic intelli-
gence?
Ms. VINSON. It is more difficult to get that intelligence, there is
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no question about it. But I think part of the reason, as Senator
Roth stated in his opening statement, is that the way that success
is measured by an individual agency has encouraged going after
busts and loads and kilos and arrests.
Senator NUNN. In other words, we need to find a system in law
enforcement to give incentives to people who spend a long, long
time on cases and a long time on strategic intelligence, which may
take years rather than months and weeks?
Ms. VINSON. Yes, sir.
Senator NUNN. Thank you. Senator Roth?
Senator ROTH. Senator Cohen?
Senator COHEN. Mr. Chairman, if I could, I just would echo what
you suggested about the necessity and inevitability of having differ-
ent assessments. We get it frequently from CIA, DIA, NIS, NSA.
The variety is there. What you are suggesting is that there is no
central body or cen.tral figure that is making any kind of a qualita-
tive assessment as to the reliability of that intelligence?
Ms. VINSON. Yes, sir.
Senator COHEN. Do you thin.k that the Administration's proposal
for the creation of a Center for Strategic Intelligence is going to
make a difference?
Ms. VINSON. On the face of it it looks to be a good step in the
right direction.
Senator COHEN. And who would chair that?
Ms. VINSON. I cannot answer that question.
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Senator COHEN. There is no blueprint at this particular point as
to how that would be set up?
Ms. VINSON. Not that I am aware of.
Senator COHEN. One of the major difficulties that you have out-
lined is the reluctance on the part of an originating agency to let
information go beyond the confines of that agency. How is that
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going to be overcome?
'fhere is a fear of compromising sources and methods. That is a
very legitimate and pervasive fear that we deal with on a day-to-
day basis. We have the danger of the compromise of identities, and
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we have fears that the information will be disclosed during the
course of co,,:.'rt proceedings.
How do we overcome those particular obstacles?
Ms. VINSOl\l'. Well, it is difficult. I mean, absolutely the protection
of informant identities is vital, but I believe that, for example, the
history and the experience of the intelligence agency in sterilizing
information so that it is usable but protects identities or source of
the information, I think that is absolutely possible. And that needs
to be encouraged more, that way of doing things, and maybe it
could be used more by law enforcement and that would help them
overcome reluctance to share the information.
Senator COHEN. In overcoming these obstacles, the person who is
going to be in charge of coordinating all of the various intelligence
assessments is indeed going to have a very difficult job.
Ms. VINSON. Yes.
Senator COHEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator ROTH [presiding]. Just let me make one further observa-
tion. The Chairman had to leave temporarily. But it does seem to
me that there is some need to have a central focal point on intelli-
gence if we are going to be successful in our war against drugs.
There is no question that it is critically important that informants
and sources be protected sources so that we do not reduce the avail-
ability. But somewhere there has to be that collection and analysis,
and if we mean what we said about a drug czar, it seems to me
that he has to playa critical role in that capacity.
Do you have any question, Senator Lieberman?
Senator LIEBERMAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ms. Vinson. If I
may, I have an opening statement, Mr. Chairman, to be printed in
the record.
Senator ROTH. Withot\t objection.
[The opening statement of Senator Lieberman follows:]
OPENING STATEMEN'l' OF SENATOR LIEBERMAN
Mr. Chairman, few issues are of greater concern right now than the impact of the
international drug cartels on America. I appreciate the efforts that you and Senator
Roth have made to study the cartels and our government's ability to deal with them
effectively, and I commend you for convening these hearings. Colombia is struggling
to stay alive-battling the brutal violence and intimidation that is the trademark of
the Medellin drug cartel. American help is critically important, and an improved
understanding of the operation of international drug cartels is essential if we are to
provide effective assistance. That is the laudable aim of today's hearing.
Our involvement in Colombia, however, involves substantial risks. Just yesterday,
I chaired a Governmental Affairs Committee hearing on terrorism. One of the im-
portant topics of concern raised at that hearing was our vulnerability to terrorist
retaliation by the Medellin cartel as a result of our anti-drug efforts in Colombia.
There was generally a consensus that we are at risk, particularly as a result of ox-
traditions, and that the cartel has substantial fmancial resources and weaponry at
its disposal.
The most likely targets are Americans and American businesses in Central and
South America. But our borders are not secure, and we are vulnerable here as well.
In 1987, the long arm of the drug cartel reached into the United States and assassi-
nated an informant, and the drug cartels have a criminal infrastructure already in
place in the United States to respond to their commands. Oliver Revell of the FBI
testified yesterday that if the cartels want to have blood running in our streets, we
would not be able to preempt it.
This is not to suggest that we should limit our assistance to the Colombian gov-
ernment-our help is crucial. But we should go in with our eyes open to the risks,
and we should take steps to minimize those risks.
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For example, our intelligence capabilities in the area need to be improved. Pene-
trating terrorist organizations is one of the most difficult intelligence tasks, but it is
increasingly one of the most critical. We also need to improve the coordination be-
tween our anti-drug efforts and our counter-terrorism efforts. The activities of the
Medellin carlel have proven that drugs and terrorism are inextricably linked, and
our government'must respond in a unified and coherent way. For example, we must
improva the sharing of computerized information between different agencies, par-
ticularly watch lists of suspected international criminals, so that we can maximize
our chances of detecting drug dealers and potential terrorists at our borders. If DEA
or the FBI has information on a drug cartel suspect in their files, it should be imme-
diately available to INS, Customs and the State Department as well.
We should also explore ways to make it easier to kick suspected cartel operatives
out of the country if they get in. The routine deportation process is cumersome and •
protracted, and cartel terrorists are sure to have the best lawyers drug money can
buy. We need faster proceedings, in which classified informaUon can be protected.
Finally, we should reconsider the wisdom of Executive Order 12333, which prohibits
ordering the killing of foreign enemies in all circumstances. In some situations,
there may be disadvantages to stated policy limitations, and the President should
have widest range of options available in dealing with terrorist threats.
Mr. Chairman, thank you again for your efforts. I look forward to the testimony
and to learning more about the operation of the international drug cartels.
Senator LIEBERMAN. Thank you. Ms. Vinson, 1 had the opportuni-
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ty yesterday to chair a hearing of the Governmental Affairs Com-
mittee which as part of our general governmental oversight fUllc-
tion, considered our Government's readiness to deal with terrorism.
One of the riveting elements of the testimony of both the Govern-
ment witnesses and the. outside experts was that, as we escalate
our response to the international drug cartels and assist the gov-
ernments of the Andean Nations in fighting to keep drugs out of
America, we must expect a counter attack. That, may well take the
form of terrorist activities, probably directed in the first instance
against American personnel in those Andean Nations. Before long,
terrorist actions may be directed against American citizens and
property within the United States itself.
Really, we have to begin to treat the cartel not just as a law en-
forcement target, but as another terrorist organization, as an orga-
nization with which we are involved in a war. And 1 agree with
some of the basic points that 1 believe you have made. In particu-
lar, our intelligence must be improved, just as we attempt to im-
prove our intelligence with regard to other terrorist organizations
in the world.
Let me just ask whe+ber in your work you have come across any
evidence to confirm the concern expressed at yesterday's hearing
about the potential for counter attack by the international drug
cartel against American citizens or our domestic infrastructure.
Ms. VINSON. We did not-l would not say we came across any in-
formation that specifically uncovered an intent to do so. 1 think
that we know very little about the intentions. That was one of the
things that we did discover, unfortunately.
But my personal opinion would be that we certainly cannot dis-
miss the possibility that that would happen. They have retaliated
against-well, the Barry Seal killing was an example of a retalia-
tion ~gainst an American citizen already in this country, so 1
would not dismiss the possibility. ,
Senator LIEBERMAN. I appreciate that. Mr. Chairman, that is the
specific case that was referred to at the hearing yesterday, at
which Senator Cohen'was present. There is evidence that an Amer- •
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ican DEA informant was the target of a hit ordered by the cartel
and carried out in the United States by Colombians, who came in
for that specific purpose, and it seems to me that that may be a
harbinger. As witnesses suggested to us yesterday, we are attacking
an organization that is flourishing. It is an organization that obvi-
ously has little sensitivity to cruelty to humans, and that, unlike
most terrorist organizations, has billions of dollars at its command.
We have a dangerous recipe there, and that's why I think your sug-
gestion for improving our intelligence is important not only to
combat drugs but to protect American people.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Thank you. Any other questions of this witness?
Mary, we appreciate your good work, you and the whole staff.
We thank you very much for this report.
Senator Roth, if you would like to introduce our next witness.
Senator ROTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our next witness is
Bruce Carnes, who is Director of Planning, Budget and Administra-
tion, Office of National Drug Control Policy.
Senator NUNN. Mr. Carnes, would you please hold up your right
hand and take the oath.
Do you swear the testimony you give will be the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. CARNES. I do.
Senator NUNN. Thank you, sir, we are pleased to have you.
TESTIMONY OF BRUCE M. CARNES, DIRECTOR, PLANNING,
BUDGET AND ADMINISTRATION, OFFICE OF NATIONAL DRUG
CONTROL POLICY 1
Mr. CARNES. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased
to be here this morning to appear before this distinguished Com-
mittee to discuss the National Drug Control Strategy as it relates
to intelligence.
I have a statement that I would like to have, if I could, Mr.
Chairman, entered into the record in its entirety I will omit parts
of it as I go through it if I might.
Senator NUNN. Without objection your entire statement will be
made part of the record.
Mr. CARNES. Thank you. In any conflict there are two questions
that must be answered at the beginning. Who is the enemy, and
what is our objective?
We talk about a war on drugs, but we must be very clear that, in
fact, drugs are not the enemy. The enemies are the organizations
that produce cocaine and other dangerous drugs, transport it to onr
shores, distribute it to retailers and users throughout America, and
launder the profits and return them to the organization's coffers.
And there are many such organizations in many parts of the world,
not just one or two easily identified cartels. .
And what is our objective? Our objective is to put these organiza-
tions out of business, dismantle them. In doing so, we must be cer-
tain not to confuse means with ends. Our objective is not to seize
ever greater quantities of illegal drugs. That is one means of help-
I See p. 189 fo~ Mr. Carnes prepared statement.
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ing attain our objective by increasing the organization's cost of
doing business and disrupting their inventory flow, but it is not I:<n
end in itself.
Our objective is not simply to seize the assets of traffickers. That,
too, is one means of helping attain our objective by damaging the
organization's ability to do their business and to deprive them are
of their ill gotten gains. But the seizure of assets is not an end in
itself.
Our objective is not simply to throw people in jail. That also is
one means of helping to attain our objective, by taking members of
the organizations out of circulation, but the arrest of druggers is
not an end in itself.
Valiant and dedicated people in America and overseas have
scored major success in seizing drug shipments, seizing traffickers'
assets and putting druggers in jail, but America's drug problem
continues. It continues in part because we have not been waging
war effectively enough against the drug producing and trafficking
organizations.
To be more effective we must first build an accurate, detailed un-
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derstanding of each organization, what in military terms is called
the enemy order of battle. Who are the key people? What are their
roles? Where are they located? How do they operate? How do they
communicate? How do they make decisions? 'Where are their criti-
cal production facilities located? How are their products transport-
ed and in what quantities? What front companies do they use?
What banks do they use? How does their money flow?
And then, when we have a full picture of each organization, the
United States can develop a comprehensive, integrated operational
plan to attack it effectively, to exploit the several nodes that are
both critical to the organization's operation and vulnerable to our
attack.
Historically most crime in America has been perpetrated on a
local geographic level by single offenders or small groups of offend-
ers. Even what we call organized crime in many cases has consisted
of organizations that have operated primarily within a single juris-
diction, a single city area, for example.
So it has been entirely natural that the information gathering to
support law enforcement activities has also been highly localized.
But, of course, some criminal organizations have spanned multiple
jurisdictions, extending overseas in the case of La Cosa Nostra, for
example.
In attacking such enterprises especially over the past. decade, the
United States has developed highly sophisticated methods of col-
lecting detailed information on criminal organizations and patient-
ly piecing together bits of information over an extended period of
time. This method, practiced by the FBI, is called the racketeering
enterprise investigation. It is directly applicable to our war against
the major international drug organizations and with some adapta-
tions could and should be more widely adopted throughout the
anti-drug community.
There are several critical aspects to this approach that distin-
guish it from standard localized investigations. First, the target is
the organization in its totality, not just a single known individual
or set of individuals. Second, there is a willingness to invest in the
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investigation-time that is required to penetrate the organization,
to gather information from other investigative techniques to build
a picture of the whole organization, not just one element of it.
Third, there is a willingness to forego the immediate gratifica-
tion of arresting a known offender or seizing his assets when those
actions would alert the organization and make the task of destroy-
ing it more difficult.
Fourth, there is a keen recognition that money is critical to the
success and survival of the target organization. Great attention is
paid to how it handles its accounts, how it launders its profits. And
finally, there is willingness to forego the body count. Yes, this
method. is directed at arresting offenders, but they must be the key
offenders, and all of them.
As I have said, the critical first step is the development of com-
prehensive detailed information about the organizations. This
effort has several important attributes. Appropriate law enforce-
ment information in Government hands must be brought to bear
on the problem. Many pieces of the puzzle are already in the files
at DEA, FBI, Customs, U.S. Attorney's Offices and state and local
law enforcement agencies.
Some of this information must be protected from public disclo-
sure or other misuse, but means to do this exists or can be devel-
oped. New information must be collected and brought to bear on
the problem. The gaps in our holdings on the key organizations
must continually be analyzed and systematically filled and all pos-
sible sources of law enforcement information must be tapped.
This information, once compiled, must be analyzed, producing de-
tailed, complete pictures of each major organization. And once de-
veloped, this information must be available to every appropriate
agency with a role to play in the attack on the organization.
The development of this information is a task beyond the power
of any single agency. This reality is what has led us to propose the
establishment of a National Drug Intelligence Center. As directed
in the President's strategy published last week, our office, Office of
National Drug Control Policy, will convene an interagency working
group to plan such a center, and it is our intention to bring the
details of that developed plan forward in the next strategy to be
presented to Congress on February 1st.
We don't have all the details worked out yet, but I can tell you
certain things about what this center must look like. It must be a
bona fide common undertaking of a large number of agencies, not
the exclusive property or preserve of any single department. We
expect that the Justice and Trea·mry Departments and their com-
ponent agencies will be major players, but we must continue also
to draw upon expertise from the Coast Guard and from elements
outside law enforcement, particularly the Defense Department.
The center must be responsive to the national drug control strat-
egy, concentrating on building full pictures of the drug organiza-
tions and making use of all available information to do so.
ONDCP therefore will take a central role in setting the center's
policies and priorities, ensuring that the expertise and concerns of
all agencies are represented.
Mr. Chairman, this concludes my statement and I would be very
happy to take any questions you or the Committee might have.
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Senator NUNN. Thank you, Mr. Carnes. Senator Roth?
Senator ROTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Mr.
Carnes, for your statement.
As I understand your testimony, the first important job is that of
intelligence to acquire adequate information of the organizations
responsible for drug trafficking; is that correct?
Mr. CARNES. Yes, sir.
Senator ROTH. Now, is it your position that we need a new
agency or center to acquire and develop this information?
Mr. CARNES. For two reasons, I would say that is correct, Sena-
tor. Number one, most of the agencies that are currently involved
in the fight against drugs have law enforcement missions and their
missions are principally directed, therefore, against the arrest,
prosecution and conviction of offenders. It is our contention in
ONDCP that in fact that is a means to an end but not necessarily
the principal end in itself. There are other objectives, other tech-
niques, other methods, other means that you would want to bring
to bear against this problem, not just arrest, prosecution and con-
viction. .
Consequently, the agencies that do collect drug intelligence cur-
rently focus their efforts on case material. 'l'hey are principally in-
telligence efforts designed to assist in the development of cases.
Second, as I said a moment ago, this is a huge job, and we think
that there are many agencies in Government with expertise and
talent that need to be exploited and brought to bear against the
problem. I think if we use those talents, convene in the center, if
you will, drawing upon the expertise of these various agencies, we
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will produce a much better strategic product.
Senator ROTH. Well, as you properly stated, our objective should
be to put these cartels, these organizations out of business, that is,
to dismantle them. Now, one of the problems we have had with or-
ganized crime, LCNs in the past is that you remove two or three
leaders, put them in jail, but just like any organization, they are
quickly replaced with new heads.
Do you see the cartels as well structured, as well organized, say,
as organized crime, or a more' fluid organization?
Mr. CAR-NES. Again, there are two parts to any answer to that
question.
I believe some may very well be as highly structured and inte-
grated as other more well known elements of organized crime. The
second part of my answer is that we don't know for sure. We think
so in some cases, but we really don't know.
In some cases we say a group appears not to be organized, but •
that may very well be because we have just not yet discovered how
that entity is organized. We don't know enough yet to say precisely
whether it is or it is not organized.
Senator ROTH. It seems to me that what you are saying is that
our intelligence today is inadequate. We are not really in a position
yet to launch the kind of attack that would result in dismantling
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that organization.
So that we should expect that there will be a period of time of
collecting and analyzing intelligence as preliminary to the basic
attack?
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Mr. CARNES. Yes, sir, let me respond first by saying that my col-
leagues in Federal law enforcement agencies are very impressive
individuals, they are dedicated, they work very hard. It is clear
that they have done a tremendous job of interdicting druggers.
They have seized vast amounts of drugs. They have arrested. and
prosecuted and convicted many people.
What we have to conclude, however, is that we are hitting them
where it does not seem to hurt too much. We have got to hit them
where it hurts more. One of those places is the fmancial area.
Our strategy recommends increased funding for money launder-
ing investigations-money laundering intelligence, if you will. We
have to do more along those kinds of lines. We have to understand
those organizations better so that we can hit them where it hurts.
Senator ROTH. Well, you are really moving from the collection of
intelligence to how we attack.
Mr. CARNES. Yes, sir.
Senator ROTH. Let me ask you one question there. You talk
about money laundering. As a matter of fact, Mr. Chairman, this
Committee conducted a number of hearings several years ago on
the question of money laundering.
·r,'. .
, In your testimony you say our objective is not to seize the assets
of traffickers, but if you are going to try to determine where the
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vulner.abilities are, if you can take the profits out of trafficking in
cocaine" wouldn't that be a major success?
Mr. CARNES. There is no question that you should do it. But the
11 only point I was trying to make is that is clearly a means to an
end, that is to say, the end of dismantling, destroying these organi-
zations. It is an important means, it is very important. 'fhat money
is what they are in business for and they are very vulnerable
there.
Senator ROTH. Could I suggest this, when we talk about money
laundering, which I think is a line of vulnerability, a very impor-
tant line of vulnerability, it also seems to me that the seizure of
assets is part of that same picture.
Mr. CARNES. Absolutely.
Senator ROTH, Now one of the problems we run into in this situa-
tion is that many of these assets are without the jurisdiction of the
United States. In the case of the LCN, organized crime, while they
do have some international connections, they tend, generally, to be
U.S. based.
So how do we approach this? 1 mean, I understand that the Co-
lombian Government recently has passed, or the President has
taken certain action with respect to seizure. But are the laws ade-
quate on the books to deal with this kind of problem, and do we
deal with it internationally.
Mr. CARNES. They mtly not be adequate, Senator, and we may be
coming back to you in the fall or in the next strategy with sugges-
tions on how to modify them. There are recently enacted U.S. au-
thorities that have never been tested, but do permit the United
States to share seized assets with foreign countries, depending
upon the nature of the Casl~ in which they were involved. It is con-
ceivable we would need or want to do more of that.
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Senator ROTH. Do we havl' any intelligence as to what percent-
age of the assets are still located in the United States that are held
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by these cartels? I have heard some discussions of that, some ob-
servers think they .are very, very significant, so that we do have a
lethal weapon with respect to those.
But you have the other side of the coin. I mean, for example,
hundreds of thousands of acres are used growing coca, some which
I gather are owned by the cartels. Is there any thought about
trying to actually seize those lands, to seize the assets, the compa-
nies they own, the horses and so forth?
Mr. CARNES. At this point I think we are certainly more oper-
ational in the direction of our conversation than I am either com-
petent to address or would feel comfortable addressing, at the time.
Perhaps I could respond this way by saying, I don't think there is
anything that we should not think about doing. That to say, there
are all kinds of things that we can do creatively and we ought to
take a very hard look at what they are, including the things that
you are talking about.
Senator ROTH. Well, my time is up. I will yield to the Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Thank you, Senator Roth.
Mr. Carnes, what was your background before this job?
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Mr. CARNES. My background before this job was as Deputy Under
Secretary for Planning, Budget and Evaluation in the U.S. Depart-
ment of Education.
Senator NUNN. Did that have to do with drugs?
Mr. CARNES. To the extent that we published a book durjng my
tenure there, "Schools Without Drugs," we were involved in the
drug issue for 2 or 3 years and we advised the previous administra-
tion on drug issues, generally.
Senator NUNN. So you really are in a position, individually,
where you are taking a fresh look? Is that what your office is
doing?
Mr. CARNES. Yes, sir.
Senator NUNN. The great American philosopher, Yogi Berra,
used the expression, "Deja vue allover again!'
Mr. CARNES. That is right.
Senator NUNN. It seems to me there is a strong element of that
here. I am not in any way denigrating it. We need to take a fresh
look, even if it includes old theories, when we need to go back to
them. But we have had hearing after hearing in this Subcommittee
and time after time we have been told over the last 6 or 8 years,
and even before that, the last 10 or 15 years, that indeed law en-
forcement agencies were going after cash, that they were going
after bank accounts, that they realized that money was the key to
the organizations.
We even went through a whole set of hearings in the 1970s that •
ended up concluding much of what Senator Roth said here today,
and that is that the buy/bust and the incentive system about how
many pounds you seized and so forth was the wrong incentive and
that we needed a much longer look, a longer term strategy.
Why is it that after 20, 25 years of this, we are still here today
talking about the same tame kinds of things that we have been
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talking about for the last 10 or 15 years, that many of us thought
we were already doing?
Mr. CARNES. I am not sure I can answer why we are still here
talking about that, but I might say this.
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First, there is a lot going on in money laundering investigations.
DEA, FBI, Customs, IRS, a number of agencies are involved and
they are making big cases. These are very hard cases to make.
They take a lot of time. We need to do more. I am not suggesting
that it is not being done, we just need to do a lot more of it.
The second thing is, and I think this part gets to your question,
the strategy that President Bush has submitted to the Congress
says that we ought to be evaluated in our success on the drug war
basically by one criterion, and that is drug use. All these other
things, number of seizures, number of arrests, quantity seized,
amount of mc...ney taken out, those are secondary, they are not the
things by which we should judge the success of our effort.
I think up until this point we have not really evaluated the suc-
cess of the United States or of any of the agencies and their efforts
in terms of whether drug use in the United States is going down.
We have really relied. upon process measures rather than on the
kind of outcome that we are talking about.
Senator Nu~~. I think that is a very important point. What are
your measures of drug use now? How are you going to measure
drug use?
Mr. CAR~ES. Again, that is perhaps not as accurate as would be
desired. The principal sources of information on drug use are from
NIDA, the National Institute on Drug Abuse: their household
survey, which is going to be conducted from now on every other
year; and the high school senior survey which gives the best esti-
mates that exist in the United States of drug use by various groups
and subgroups of the population at various ages, and by various
drugs.
Senator N~~. Does NIDA have any statistics that measure the
use of drugs by people that drop out of school? My understanding is
their senior survey is basically seniors in high school. Nothing
wrong with that one, but it is also my understanding that an awful
lot of the problem comes from people who aren't seniors, that the
seniors represent some of the best cases and an awful lot of the
drug use comes from people who drop out along the way. Do we
have any way of measuring that?
Mr. CAR~ES. There are clearly significant gaps in the data that
are collected on use. If you missed them in the high school senior
survey, the only way you would get them would be if they were
part of a household in the household survey. But I should point out
that the household survey itself does not measure usage by college
students in dormitories, it does not measure usage by people in in-
stitutions. There are vast segments of the population that it does
not hit.
Senator Nu~~. So we are shifting to a new way of judging but
our measurement tools thete are far from being adequate yet. Is
that fair enough?
Mr. CAR~ES. That's correct, yes, sir.
Senator Nu~~. And who is working on trying to make those
tools more comprehensive?
Mr. CA~ES. Our office is proposing-in connection with the
strategy th~ President has proposed this-that we not only do the
household survey more frequently and expand it so that we can
reach larger subsets of the population-the same as with the high
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school senior survey-but that we institute a program of small,
quick hitter data instruments that we can go out to the various
segments of the population and target them particularly several
times a year to be able to get our fingers on the pulse of this.
Senator NUNN. So basically what you are saying is after 20 years
of fighting the so-called war against drugs that has been declared
by at least four or five Presidents from both political parties, and
the Congress doing similar kinds of declarations over and over
again, we still not only don't have adequate tools, we are not using
tools in the right direction, and the ones we are using to measure ...
our success or failure are not even developed yet. Is that too
strong?
Mr. CARNES. This glass is half full in my view, and I think we
are better than we used to be. I think that one of the things that
has struck us repeatedly as we have been engaged in this enter-
prise is the effort that people are putting in to do things better, to
do them right, to do them smarter, to do them faster, to work
harder.
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We are trying to help in that. We have been trying to get better
data, we are trying to target our efforts more effectively and more
accountably.
Senator NUNN. How about overdose cases, is that a measurement
of anything?
Mr. CARNES. Yes, it is, and thOl::e cases are showing some pretty
alarming statistics. Again, that data, DAWN, the Drug Abuse
Warning Network which reports emergencies from hospitals-it
doesn't hit every hospital but it hits a lot-tells you what the trend
lines are, and we think that is pretty viable, valid data. The exact
numbers may not be valid, but the direction in which we are head-
ing is pretty valid and we think it is valid over the long period of
time.
Senator NUNN. How about the price of drugs on the streets?
Mr. CARNES. It tells you something but it doesn't necessarily tell
you whether you are winning or losing. It depends upon the con-
text. It could be either going up because everybody is consuming it
or because you are interdicting the supply.
Senator NUNN. And if the price goes down, it also could mean
that we are doing better on the demand side?
Mr. CARNES. That's right. That is the tough thing with these
kinds of indicators.
Senator NUNN. Getting back to your testimony about intelli-
gence, the new strategy calls for the establishment of a new intelli-
gence center. •
How will this affect the existing intelligence centers such as
EPIC or Custom's C(3)(i) program?
Mr. CARNES. Those intelligence centers, Mr. Chairman, are prin-
cipally tactical intelligence centers providing current tactical intel-
ligence related to ongoing or emerging cases, in the case of EPIC,
or having to do with the deployment of vessels in the case of C(3)(i)
in many instances for the Coast Guard and Customs. But they are
law enforcement, case oriented tactical intelligence centers.
We are talking about a strategic intelligence center that com-
piles the big picture, and that information then goes to whoever in •
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the Federal Government-and conceivably beyond the Federal Gov-
ernment-is involved in the fight against drugs and should know.
Senator NUNN. So this would be something new that we do not
have now, is that right? Not a duplication of existing resources?
Mr. CARNES. On the scale we are talking about we don't have an
equivalent. I presume you will hear from witnesses following Ir.'v
that there are in fact efforts along this line, but in our opinion,
these efforts are not big enough and need to be larger and coordi-
nated.
Senator NUNN. The FBI in their statement for today's hearings
t.hat we will hear in a few minutes mentions plans to develop an
automated drug information system over the next 3 years.
Is that the big picture, or is that more tactical intelligence?
Mr. CARNES. I'll let them respond to that, but it is clear that the
FBI is on to something good and attempts to approach these issues
from the organizational standpoint. They have a lot of ideas that
can be profitably used by all of us involved in the drug fight.
Senator NUNN. One other question and then I know my time has
expired. We went through several years of very heated debate, in
fact, I had a bill and I think Senator Roth was a prime cosponsor,
to give the Internal Revenue Service more power in the drug en-
forcement arena.
There was a period of time after the abuses of the 1970s where
IRS went into a shell and didn't want to get involved in anything
relating to law enforcement. We came back and amended the law
and gave them the power to share information and receive infor-
mation from law enforcement agencies. At that stage we were
trying to get IRS to really hit hard in the drug business.
Are yot! satisfied that they have done that now?
Mr. CARNES. We would be very upset if IRS reduced its level of
effort in this area. We think that, and we are proposing that in the
forthcoming strategy, that efforts in that area be increa'3ed.
Senator NUNN. I believe that is a subtle way of saying they are
not doing enough, are you?
Mr. CARNES. All right. I'll agree to that.
Senator NUNN. Thank you. Senator Cohen?
Senator COHEN. Why are you so reluctant to admit that we are
just not doing enough?
Mr. CARNES. Well, I am not reluctant to admit that we are not
doing enough. I'm reluctant to say thifJ }JtlY or that guy isn't doing
enough. I know those people who are breaking their backs trying to
do this, I don't want to criticize them. I think they deserve praise.
Senator COHEN. We are not trying to criticize either, but Senator
Nunn raised an important point, quoting Yogi Berra. I think he
also said, "You can observe a lot just by watching."
W~ have been watching a parEl.de of witnesses, during my terms
at least, terms coming before various committees and saying virtu-
ally the same thing.
Now, I did not find anything different in the list of things you
cited-a highly sophisticated collection of intelligence, a compre-
hensive approach, more dedication to human intelligence, foregoing
easy targets, tracing laundering operations, foregoing body counts.
There is nothing new in any of that that the FBI hasn't been
doing, as you even point out, in the racketeering enterprise investi-
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gations. They are doing those things now. Just take that blueprint
and apply it on a more comprehensive basis.
Mr. CARNES. I wouldn't disagree with that. I have held it out as a
model of something that we should use, certainly as a basis upon
which to get started in this area. Again, it is a question of a scale
of effort, a question of whether any single agency has the ability to
do all of the intelligence work that needs to be done in the drug
fight. We suggest that no single agency does have those resources.
Senator COHEN. So we have the basic blueprint already. What we
have to do is enlarge upon it and centralize it. ..
Mr. CARNES. We have some very smart people who know how to
do this, and we need to use them.
Senator COHEN. You were talking in the terms of almost
Clausowitz' order of battle, understanding the order of battle of the
enemy. Sun Tzu also suggested we ought to know the enemy's
weaknesses.
What is your judgment of the enemy's weakness based upon the
knowledge you have accumulated to date?
Mr. CARNES. Well, I think it is too early to tell. I think that one
of the things we can tell, however is where some of those weakness-
es do not exist, but that we have been hitting them pretty hard at, •
and that relates to border interdiction. I don't think that is their .
weakness, although we spend vast amounts of money doing border
interdiction.
We seize enormous amounts of all kinds of drugs, but I don't
think that it is a weak spot for the druggers. I think that is a cost
for them, but an easy cost to bear, it is the cost of doing business. I
do think that money is a major weakness, but I would suspect that
when we develop this organizational laydown, if you will, we will
discern that there could conceivably be weaknesses that we can ex-
ploit in the way they get from here to there.
Just transportation, simple transportation, how do they do that?
How can we stop them from doing that? In the way they communi-
cate with each other, how do they do that? What can we do to dis-
rupt and. prevent that communication from occurring? How do they
fuel those airplanes? Where do they fuel? Where are those air-
strips? How can we deny them to those people? We don't have to
arrest them to disrupt them.
Senator COHEN. There is a familiar expression that "They made
a desert and they called it peace."
One of the arguments that is raised frequently-I think it is a
false argument but nonetheless it is being raised-that if we really
are successful if making a desert of those cocoa plantations that we
are going to destabilize the entire economies of Colombia, Peru and
Bolivia.
What is your assessment as to the validity of such an argument?
Are drug funds ke-aping those governments afloat or are they being
shipped off into overseas bank accounts and so forth?
Mr. CARNES. Well, I would respond this way. We know that, the
Medellin cartel offered to pay the foreign debt of Colombia if Co-
lombia would just layoff. So it seems that they at least say they
have got a lot of money. I believe they do have a lot of money. You •
see estimates of the size of the enterprise anywhere from $75 bil-
lion, to $110 billion, $125 billion. I think it is important to remem-
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ber that most of that money does not go back, I don't think, into
the hands of Pablo Escobar or Jorge Ochoa.
I mea.'l, a lot of that money stays in this country or goes to other
mid-level individuals and bribes and other kinds of things that they
have to pay for. But they are still reaping vast amounts of profits.
Some of that is clearly being put in businesses or in politics. The
individual farmers who are growing cocoa are making more grow-
ing cocoa in most cases than they can make with any other crop.
But we have seen instances in which the price of coca leaf has
dropped, and it has become viable for these farmers to seek to grow
other kinds of crops. That is certainly one thing we ought to figure
out how to do, get that coca leaf price down so that there is a
viable alternative economically for them other than coca. It is a
very easy plant to grow and it has a fairly high payoff right now.
But we do have to be worried about the economic dislocation
Senator COHEN. Does that mean that we have to consider in-
creases in appropriations for foreign assistance?
Mr. CARNES. Yes, sir, and we are so proposing that such in-
creases be provided. In the Andean strategy we are proposing both
law enforcement ami military assistance to the Andean countries.
Their performance in those areas would be linked to the provision
of economic assistance as well.
Senator COHJ~N. The State Department has requested $5 million
in military aid this year for Peru's military and, of course, the
money cannot 'be spent because of Congressional restrictions that
block military aid to any country such as Peru that has failed to
payoff Us debt to the United States.
Mr. CARNES. Yes, sir. In some cases we have--
Senato);' COHEN. Do you propose that we forgive or forego enforce-
ment of t~e debt in order to provide military assistance to those
countries?
Mr. CARNES. My recollection is that we have actually tranamitted
a formal request to the Senate that, at least in one case, thl1t that
be set aside.
Senator COHEN. And do you intend to do that for the other coun-
tries as well?
Mr. CARNES. I think we would have to take a look on a case-by-
case basis and if we felt that by so doing we could get a significant
level of effort from those countries, I think we would probably rec-
ommend that.
Senator COHEN. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Thank you, Senator Cohen.
Senator Lieberman?
Senator LIEBERMAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Ca.rnes, I appreciate your testimony and the seriousness of
the threat that you depict in your opening statement.
I would like, to raise a question about Qne of the points of com-
parison that you make in your opening statement. I'm sure that
this question also stems from the hearing that the full Committee
had yesterday on the g~meral problem of terrorism. A fundamental
question is whether we should treat terrorism as if it were a law
enforcement problerr,t or as if we were involved in a war. One of the
experts yesterday suggested that we actUally ought to have a decla-
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ration of war before we proceed militarily against terrorists or a
country supporting terrorists.
In your statement you have compared what we have yet to do to
improve our intelligence on the international dru.g cartel with
what we have already done to methodically develop a pattern of in-
telligence, on the LCN, for example, that allows us to act. While I
understand that there are limits to the war metaphor in the battle
against drugs, it strikes me that maybe this is one area in which
the war metaphor is not a bad one. Traditional law enforcement
methods may not be enough. We are in a war with these people.
They have been killing people in this country for years by sending
drugs in. Now, it seems to me, as we start striking back at them or
helping Andean Nations to do that, they are going to try to kill us
directly.
I wonder if you share that sentiment. Whether you do or not,
what is the locus of responsibility at this point, pending the possi-
ble creation of a National Drug Intelligence Center, for gathering
intelligence as if we were in a war.
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Mr. CARNES. I think we have to keep in mind that there is virtu-
ally no action that we should say these people will not take, so we
just have to keep that in mind and we; have to conduct ourselves
accordingly. Keeping that in mind reinforces the point of how dan-
gerous they are to us.
As to the relationship of that to the intelligence center, if that
was the second part of your question-well perhaps I am not cel'-
tain what the second part of your question was.
Senator· LIEBERMAN. Let me step back and ask you about the
structure of the national drug control office, the drug czar's office.
I gather that the reason you are here, for instance, and not the
Deputy Director for Supply Reduction, is that he has not been con-
firmed yet.
Is that fair to say? Would that normally fall in the jurisdiction of
that wing of the office?
Mr. CARNES. Well, conceivably. I would expect that this would be
in his area, but I would not necessarily say that a drug intelligence
center would deal only with supply related issues. I think it is
going to deal with State and local issues and it conceivably and
ought to have a way to reconcile demand related data with supply
related data.
But I am here because, in part, he is not there; second, the direc-
tor is testifying at another hearing, and I was involved in the strat-
egy a lot.
Senator LIEBERMAN. Okay. Obviously I appreciate your presence
and I appreciate the quality of your testimony. I don't mean to sug-
gest otherwise.
As we perform our governmental oversight function, I am trying
to localize or pinpoint where the responsibility lies. When we are
dealing with the international drug cartels, which is uniquely re-
lated to the supply of drugs, is it fair to assume that the Deputy
Director for Supply Reduction would normally be the key person in
the drug czar's office who is responsible for gathering intelligence
and coordinating policy with regard to the drug cartels? •
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Mr. CARNES. I don't think that it is necessarily fair to assume
that. It is conceivable that this might fall more directly under the
~ offlSlce of the director, himself. f h' t f h .?
~ enator LIEBERMAN. Because 0 t e Impor ance 0 t e actiVlty.
~ Mr. CARNES. Because of its impol·tance and because of the fact
fi that it does tend to transcend these other areas. It is not just
~ supply. As it relates to cartels, yes, it is, supply related. But a good
)' intelligence center should do more than just that.
~ Senator LIEBERMAN. How do you coordinate your activity with
"f\ "" the FBI, with the State Department, even with the Defense Depart-
, ment? Is that ongoing now?
~ Mr. CARNES. Yes, it is, and we have met with them a lot over the
~ past several months and we have established in the National Drug
! Control Strategy two interagency groups, one chaired by the
~.. Deputy Director for Supply, one for the Deputy Director for
, Demand Reduction, that will meet to coordinate on a policy level
~i the activities of the various Federal agencies that are involved in
~ this effort.
~ So there is that coordination mechanism. That body will be
I~ • policy oriented but it will translate national policy into action by
f: the agencies.
~ I would just add one other point to this. How can we be (:ertain
~i that agencies ""ill then do what the policy is? Well, first, I certainly
1, anticipate and have no reason to doubt the good faith efforts of ev-
~ erybody that we have run into and dGalt with so far. But one fur-
~ ther step is that according to the strategy, each agency is going to
.. be required to revise its personnel evaluation system so that people
,i who are evaluated annually for performance are going to he evalu-
r: ated on an additional criterion, and that is whether they coordi-
~.,'. nate and cooperate.
r Senator LIEBERMAN. That's great.
~, Mr. CARNES. DOD does that to some extent.
11 Senator LIEBERMAN. Let me ask about the drug intelligence
center that you are proposing. Is that meant to be simply a center
that is limited to the gathering of intelligence on drug suppliers,
both domestic and international, or will it have an operational arm
as well, comparable to the task forces that you have talked about?
In other words, who is going to make sure that the war is really
being carried out in a coordinated fashion against the international
drug cartel?
Mr. CARNES. That is a very good questIon, and I anticipate the
answer, as to how you get from information to action will be laid
out in detail in the February strategy.
Our office is not operational. What we do intend to do is to have
this drug intelligence center, which will CC, 'lie the information,
give it to the agencies that are operational, tnat have various tools
that they can bring to bear on this problem. This is going to re-
quire, probably, the creation of some additional mechanism so that
various operations by various agencies undertaken on the basis of
that information are coordinated.
Again, we, conceivably, would be represented on that entity, but
we are not an operational offi.ce.
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Senator LIEBERMAN. Okay. I appreciate your answer. Obviously
that is critical to the whole fight, and we look forward to your pro-
posal.
Thank you, Mr; Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Thank you, Senator Lieberman.
Senator Levin?
Senator LEVIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome, Mr, Carnes.
On the proposal for this center, as I understand it, Congress
doesn't have an estimate of the cost yet, will that be part of your
February 1990 strategy?
Mr. CARNES. That is correct, but I would expect to see a figure
come in somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 to $75 million ini-
tial start up for the acquisition of equipment, particularly comput-
ers, and at full staffing, somewhere between 250, maybe 300 people,
and an annual operating cost of $50 million or so. But we will have
that all laid out.
Senator LEVIN. Will that $60 million be on top of what we now
spend in this area?
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Mr. CARNES. Yes, sir.
Senator LEVIN. And will it be coordianted or managed inside the
Czar's office?
Mr. CARNES. We are not going to run it out of our office.
Senator LEVIN. Where will it appear on an organizational chart?
Someone has got to be above the whole thing.
Mr. CARNES. The details of that also are going to be laid out in
that strategy. That is one of the tasks of this working group, to
figure out exactly the governance mechanism. I can tell you this,
ONDCP will be a big player in it.
Senator LEVIN. You don't know where the drug intelligence
center is going to appear on an organization chart yet?
Mr CARNES. We do not want it to be the property of any particu-
lar agencies. We want it to be free-standing and independent.
Senator LEVIN. So Bennett will not be responsible for its oper-
ation?
Mr. CARNES. In some sense I think he would be responsible for
its operation. But he would not--
Senator LEVIN. Will anyone person be responsible for its oper-
ation? Will there be that kind of accountability? Will we be able to
say, "that Center is not working," or IIthat Center is working," and
call that person in?
Mr. CARNES. Yes, ONDCP would, our office.
Senator LEVIN. Do we know what kind of fire power the cartels
have, the quantity and quality of equipment, and the number of
soldiers, in effect, that are operating or able to operate weaponry?
Mr. CARNES. I cannot personally answer that question. Perhaps
some of the other agency witnesses that follow me may have infor-
mation on that. I do know that they have acquired some high-pow-
ered weapons off th(ll international weapons market.
Senator LEVIN. But that is not available to you and you are not
sure if other agencies have that or not?
Mr. CARNES. Well, I know that some agencies do have that infor-
matkn. ATF has done an investigation recently of weapons of the
cartel.
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Senator LEVIN. While you are here, I have a question on the
funding issue. We have been told where the additional $700 million
to fund the President's drug program is supposed to come from. We
got that, I gather, the next morning after the President's speech.
Let me ask you about a different component, of the drug spending
plan which has been a little a bit elusive and mysterious to us; that
is the $800 million component which was part of the anti-crime ini-
tiative announced back in May.
The $7.8 billion overall total includes $800 million, which was
identified back in May as part of an anti-crime package. But what
Congress has not been told is where that $800 million was coming
from. That was supposed to come from other programs but cuts
have not been identified.
Do you know or could you leave with us where that $800 million
was coming from.
Mr. CARNES. The Administration has not proposed an offset for
that portion of it because at the time that proposal was transmit-
ted to the Congress, the Administration's request for the whole
Government, was such that there was still-room to accommodate
the drug portion of the anti-crime package without an offset.
Director Darman sent the suggested offsets up on the evening of
September 5th, because by that point we were aware that the
House, at least, had already marked up on all appropriations bills.
Therefore he was suggesting that there are ways to fund that addi-
tional $717 million without violating the 302B allocations.
Senator LEVIN. But back to the $800 IJliJlion, which was part of a
$1.2 billion crime initiative, you are saying there was no need for
offsets to provide that at that time?
Mr. CARNES. That is correct, sir.
Senator LEVIN. And so we will not be told where that is coming
from because there were no offsets either then or now required?
Mr. CARNES. That is correct, sir.
Senator LEVIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Thank you, Senator Levin.
Senator Roth, I guess that completes the questioning.
Mr. Carnes, we appreciate very much you being here and i,)ok
forward to continuing to work with you.
Mr. CARNES. Thank you, Senator Nunn.
Senator NUNN. Senator Roth if you would like to introduce OUr
next witness.
Senator ROTH. Our next witness is David Westrate who is from
the Drug Enforcement Administration. In introducing him, just let
me say that we are well aware that many of the DEA agents are
the front line forces, and I would just like to pay my respect to
those individuals who at great personal risk are carrying on this
war against the cartels.
Senator NUNN. Mr. Westrate, let me swear you in, as we do all
witnesses.
Do you swear that the testimony you will give before the Sub-
committee will be the truth, the whole truth, and flothing but the
truth, so help you, God?
Mr. WESTRATE. I do.
Senator NUNN. Thank you. We are pleased to have you, and I
join Senator Roth in expressing my thanks to those who are at risk
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in this tough, tough war against drugs. I am delighted to have your
testimony.
TESTIMONY OF DAVID L. WE STRATE, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRA-
TOR FOR OPERATIONS, DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRA·
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Mr. WESTRATE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will summarize my
statement also and make some reference during the course of my
testimony to some videotape and also some charts.
We do appreciate the opportunity of appearing here before these
important hearings this morning. It was less than a month ago
that Colombian President Virgilio Barco said that the d:£'ug traf-
fickers wanted abroad would be summarily extradited.
The cocaine kingpins of Colombia fear one thing, being brought
to justice in a court of law in the United States, where they cannot
exert the kinds of intimidation with which they have terrorized the
judicial system of their own country. And make no mistake about
it, we do want them, we want them to stand trial in this country
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for the many criminal activities, for the death and destruction they
have inflicted upon our Nation.
Since 1985, with the exception of Carlos Lehder in 1987, and now,
of course, Mr. Martinez, no trafficker has been extradited from Co·
lombia. This does not mean, however, that no action has been
taken against the trafficking organizations-far from it. We have
been arresting their members, seizing their drugs and confiscating
their assets.
Just this past weekend, 1,000 pounds of cocaine were seized in an
Operation Pipeline stop by the Colorado State Police. Just last
night, 2,500 pounds of cocaine were seized in Miami in a joint DEA-
Customs-Coast Guard investigation. Both of these loads, in my
view, were shipped prior to the assassination of Mr. Galan in Co-
lombia several weeks ago, I think they also indicate the extent of
the pipeline with which we are trying to deal.
The Medellin and Cali cartels, whose names are derived from the
Colombian towns where their operations are based, are undoubted-
ly the most notorious of the trafficking syndicates. A decade ago,
they were known as Medellin mobsters and cocaine cowboys.
Today, they are challenging one of the strongest democracies in
Latin America. The cartels gain their power through aggressive
marketing and ruthless domination of the cocaine traffic, from pro-
duction to distribution.
They began by taking over the first·level distribution in the
United States. They then started producing and transporting co-
caine in bulk. The several kilogram cocaine shipment became regu-
lar, well-organized, multi-hundred kilo shipments. They joined
forces in 1982 and began constructing massive production facilities
in southern Colombia.
They use violence and intimidation, first to mobilize cocaine dis-
tribution in thl~ United States, a..'1d then to overcome Colombian in-
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surgent groups, and, finally, to cripple the criminal justice system
in Colombia.
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have produced 500 metric tons in this one lab area.
We have brought a very short piece of videotape this morning to
give you some idea of the industrial nature of these laboratory op-
erations and, with your permission, I would like to play that now. l
[A videotape was shown at this point.]
As you can see from this videotape, you can see some tanks there
next to the person in the photograph, which gives you an indica-
tion of the type of chemical activity and equipment it takes to run
a lab like this.
Here is a tower that stretches some 40 feet in the air, which is
utilized for distilling certain chemicals in these processes.
Again, the chemicals on the ground of this lab would have made
125 metric tons or 500 metric tons if re-processed.
While these lab sites might appear crude, they are quite well or-
ganized. There were several spread across quite a geographic area,
but they are all interconnected.
Here you are seeing some of the camouflage that was used to
cover these lab sites. We were told that you would never be able to
spot this complex from the air, if conducting aerial surveillance.
Again, considerably smaller containers for chemicals. The chemi-
cals were delivered to this lab site in tankers, tractor-trailer
tanker-type vehicles.
Here is a walkway from one of the complexes, going off into a
different set of buildings.
Here are some Chinese labels off of some of the chemicals that
were present, again, some of the camouflage for these lab sites.
Here are the dormitory areas, sufficient to sleep perhaps 100
people, workers at this lab site.
Here is some of the rubber hose that goes from these very large
tanks throughout this complex.
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Senator ROTH. Is this the most sophisticated lab discovered yet?
Mr. WESTRATE. We have seized, collectively with our counter-
parts, several that are similar to this. In fact, I have a map of Co-
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A mess hall kitchen arrang~ment; again, more of the equipment
that is required for the chemical processes.
Senator ROTH. Do you have any idea how long it takes to build
such a lab or what its cost is?
Mr. WESTRATE. It would take many, many months to put this to-
gether and a considerable amount of money. The transportation to
these sites is very difficult. They often use the river systems, they
often use helicopters, and we've known in the past that they have
employed heavy-lift helicopters to bring, particularly these big gen-
erators in to these sites.
Again, some more of the buildings in this particular complex.
Here is some apparatus for agitation. It is like an assembly line
system, where they can agitate cocaine in process.
Here is some of the cocaine in these buckets in process in this
laboratory. This was a major, major lab belonging to the Medellin
cartel, I would point out.
Here you will see the destruction of this lab. Now, usually the
method of destruction is to shoot tracer rounds into some of these
chemical containers, ether, in particular, which does cause quite an
explosion and fire. There is really no other way to dismantle these
labs out in the wilderness.
You will see in a minute-and that will be the end of the tape-a
little footage that was taken the following day of the underground
storage tanks that were being used for chemicals storage tanks like
you would see in a gas station for holding the gasoline under-
ground, and they were filled from tanker trucks, as I mentioned.
There are the openings into the massive underground tanks. So,
you can see that these laboratories are, in effect, industrial types of
operations.
I would point out that our Peruvian counterparts over the week-
end also seized a laboratory there that had a production capacity of
1,000 kilograms per month of cocaine base and, as we will testify in
two weeks, our efforts are geared in part toward this production ca-
pacity.
That will be the end of the tape right there. Again, the hose is
going down the hill from the one tank.
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I would like to make some brief comments, if I could at this time,
about the Medellin cartel, which is headed by Pablo Emilio Esco-
bar-Gaviria, Jorge Luis Ochoa-Vasquez, and Jose Gonzalo Rodri-
guez-Gacha, as well as Gustavo de Jesus Gaviria-Rivero.
The chart that the Committee has up there adequately depicts, I
think, the top layer in this cartel. Pablo Escobar is a former alter-
nate Senator from Medellin and is the most powerful of the Colom-
bian traffickers and a key member of the Medellin cartel leader-
ship. Escobar's group was among the first to organize a corporate-
like structure, dispatching representatives or messengers to the
U.S. cities to establish various regional distribution networks.
Escobar and his cousin, Gustavo de Jesus Gaviria-Rivero, are re-
sponsible for the production, transportation and distribution of co-
caine to the United States. One of their primary transshipment
countries is Mexico. Some cocaine controlled by Escobar is report-
edly being shipped to Europe in increasing quantities.
In addition to being under indictment in the United States, Esco-
bar has been indicted for two murders in Colombia, and Gaviria
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has been implicated in the murders of two policemen.
Jorge Ochoa has been personally involved in each aspect of the
drug business for over a decade. He has emerged from a partici-
pant in a 60-pound cocaine delivery in 1977 to part owner of the
largest cocaine processing complex identified to date. Today, the
Ochoas are ranked by Forbes Magazine as the 14th richest family
in the world. Jorge Ochoa primarily oversees the transportation
end of the traffic, exercising direct control over distribution net-
works in Florida, California, and New York.
Ochoa has been indicted four times in the United States. He has
been arrested twice, once in Spain and once in Colombia, and was
released both times. Brothers Fabrio Ochoa and David Ochoa have
also been indicted in the United States.
Jose Gonzalo Rodriguez-Gacha, also known as "EI Mexicano,"
heads an international cocaine production and distribution organi-
zation based in Bogota. Rodriguez-Gacha's specialty within the
cartel is the oversight of cocaine laboratories and the transporta-
tion of cocaine from the laboratories to various areas of Colombia.
In addition, he has organized a para-military force which is respon-
sible for the security of cocaine labs, debt collection and assassina-
tions. He has been indicted in multiple U.S. districts.
I have a chart here which displays the scope of the Medellin
cartel,l and I would point out that we have had to block the names
of most of the players off of this chart. But if Mr. Williams, a DEA
agent supervisor, could bring that charter closer, perhaps you could
get a better understanding of what it portrays.
It gives you some feeling for the geographic involvement of the
various members and how they fit together. For example, on the
lower right side, there is a legend: Pablo Escobar's activities and
sub-cells being in blue; Ochoa's red; Gaviria's is green; and Rodri-
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guez-Gacha is yellow. And it is difficult to see on this chart, but
Colombia has, of course, involvement of all of these people, but
there are other cities throughout not only the United States, bllt
1 See Exhibit 7 on p. 179.
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Europe as well, that have multiple involvement from these various
sub-sets of this cartel-San Francisco, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles,
San Diego, Tiajuana, Phoenix, Abilene, Texas, Houston, Guadalaja-
ra, Dorango, Guatemala, Bonn, Paris, Madrid, Miami, Rio, Santa-
cruz, Bolivia, the Bahamas, you name it, these people are involved
in these various geographic areas around the world. Some recent
intelligence indicates they are showing some interest in Japan, as
well
So, it is clear that these sub-cells of these cartels are in many
cities. We do have a very good handle, in my opinion, as to the lo-
cation and who are the people in charge of these sub-cells in these
various cities.
I would like to take this down one step further and give you a
description of one of the sub-cells and how it functions in terms of
the investigations that have been condu(!ted. Here, this chart 1 de-
scribes just one investigation, a multi-agency investigation, both do-
mestically and internationally, that gives you some idea of how
complex one sub-cell of the cartels function.
This, of course, is Medellin, a cell based in Med\911in. First of all,
a Bolivian laboratory was seized which contained the capacity for
3,000 kilograms per week. This cell manufactured and trafficked in
what was called a happy face logo, each kilo had a happy face on
it, which, of course, was something that we used from an intelli-
gence point of view. The plate for this logo was seized at the labo-
ratory in Bolivia.
Argentina, there was a seizure of 589 kilos in 1989, 12 arrests,
again the happy face marldngs in Argentina. In Philadelphia, 1,124
kilos, again with a happy face logo. That cocaine was shipped in
cans of anchovies and was ultimately destined for New York. Ar-
rests were made in that case, as well. In Siena Blonca, Texas, 5
kilos and a happy face, plus arrests, also showed up in that case
down there.
This all tied to a major investigation conducted by the Customs
Service called Operation Seachase, which was based primarily in
the Tampa, Florida area. Millions of dollars were seized, 30 people
arrested in that case, four financial institutions were involved, and
also the money aspects of this case involved Detroit, Chicago, Los
Angeles, Houston, 'l'ampa, Miami, the money went to Panama and
to Switzerland.
I think what is represented here is probably 2 or 3 years of work
on the part of law enforcement organizations, not only in the
United States, but our foreign counterparts as well.
A few comments about the Cali cartel. I would like to show a
chart of the worldwide seizures of money and cocaine, to give you,
again, an indication of the expansive of the Cali cartel. 2 The
orange dots represent cash seizures, but they have to be half a mil-
lion dollars in order to qualify for the chart. The cocaine seizures
are in red and, to be put on the chart, it had to be at least 250
kilos, which is about 700 pounds.
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Our Cali cartel efforts in DEA is known as special enforcement
Operation Calico. It targets, of course, the Cali cartel. This SEO in-
I See Exhibit 8 on p. 180.
2 See Exhibit 9 on p. 181.
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volves 10 countries, 56 DEA officers, 170 investigations, and 84 in-
formants. As of July 1989, Calico has been responsible for the sei-
zure of over 43,000 kilos of cocaine, as indicated on the chart, and
$58.7 million in U.S. currency, and $7.9 million in property. A total
of 380 members and associates of the Cali cartel have been arrested
so far in this investigation.
We have a chart of the Cali cartel which is similar to the one I
showed you geographically for the Medellin cartel. 1 As you can see,
and it was characterized earlier today at the hearings, the Cali
cartel is somewhat smaller, but it also has the same type of geo-
graphic coverage. New York, again, of course, Miami, Colombia,
Los Angeles, and Houston, Mexico, and other cities, of course, do-
mestically,
The red dots on this chart indicate the people in the Cali cartel
who are fugitives in United States indictments and, as you can see,
there are a good 10 or 12 fugitives in the Cali cartel as well.
Jose Santacruz-London, who has operated a large-scale cocaine
trafficking network since 1975, is one of the premier drug traffick-
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ers in the world. The Santacruz organization operates in the
United States, primarily in New York, Miami, L.A., San Francisco,
Houston, Las Vegas, and Chicago. Santacruz uses well-structured
money laundering mechanisms to move his profits. As I said, he is
a DEA fugitive.
Gilberto Ridriguez-Orejuela and his brother Miguel own Drogas
La Rebaja, a chain of discount drug stores in Colombia. Gilberto
Rodriguez oversees the logistics of the organization's cocaine smug-
gling and money laundering operations. He is believed to lal..'.nder
approximately $10 million each month through variou(s banks in
Panama.
Miguel Rodriguez, who operates legitimate businesses, such as a
network of banks, real estate and construction firms in Colombia,
has been involved in drug trafficking activities since 1980. He was
once the Vice President of the first Inter-Americas Bank in
Panama. Both brothers are fugitives.
/ I have an example here also of another cell in the Cali cartel,
again, without names, but I would like to give you some idea here
as to how the Cali people operate, as reflected in just one cell.
In Los Angeles, in the beginning, a person was identified through
money laundering as having large amounts of cash, and we con-
nected this person to the Cali cartel. We were unable domestically
to initially put in wire intercepts because of lack of information.
However, our European counterparts were able to put in wire
intercepts in Copenhagen and in Milan, Italy, as you can see from
the charlo Eventually, we also put in two wire intercepts in the
United States.
Based 011 information developed overseas, which was connected
to the Los Angeles individual, a seizure of 3,300 kilograms was
made in Florida, and 502 kilograms of cocaine was seized in De-
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troit, along with $5.4 million in cash. It is interesting to note that,
of the $5 million in cash, $3 million of it was in $20 bills 01' less.
1 See Exhibit 10 on p. 182.
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Also, we linked this organization to several of the major black
youth gangs in Los Angeles and Detroit.
The Operation Calico coordinated and funded this investigation
worldwide.
As a result, the leader of this segment of the Cali cartel has been
indicted and the distribution organization has been dismantled and
trials are currently under way in several U.S. cities.
If the major cartel organizers are apprehended and prosecuted,
will it make a differi 'nce? Mr. Chairman, I am here today to say
that it will, and that difference will be substantially reinforced by
the other major initiatives now under way to disrupt all facets of
the cartel's operations.
As you are aware, Operation Snowcap is now fully o],Jerational in
the coca source areas and will be the subject of hearings in two
weeks. It has the potential to curtail the supply of coca reaching
the cartels for processing and shipping to the United States.
I must add that there are far fewer nations in the world which
will provide sanctuary to these criminals. European countries are
deeply concerned about increasing cocaine marketing and use and
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historically as the street-type money laundering activities, seized
over $56 million in cash, total assets of $77 million, and 21,000
1 See Exhibit 11 on p. 183.
2 See Exhibit 12 on p. 184.
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pounds of cocaine. This case was worked cooperatively with many
State and local agencies in the United States.
In addition, we also worked a money laundering case very re-
cently, the Swiss Connection,l if you will, and here we found a
combination of. not only cocaine money being laundered by these
groups, but also Turkish heroin trafficking being laundered into
the same activities, Panamanian banks, Swiss banks as well, as to
where these proceeds have ended up.
This past April, the reported mastermind of Mexico's drug pipe-
line to the United States, the notorious drug trafficker Miguel
Felix-Gallardo was apprehended by Mexican authorities. Gallardo
headed an organization which reportedly shipped up to 2 tons of
cocaine to the United States each month. Seizures of Gallardo's
personal assets may total. $1 billion. Gallardo, as I am sure you are
aware, is tightly assQciated with the cartels in Colombia.
Even our joint investigations with State and local law enforce-
ment authorities are targeting the cartels and local cocaine distri-
bution mechanisms. Last December, the New York Joint Task
Force seized $19.7 million in U.S. currency which belonged to the
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Cali cartel. In addition, DEA currently has 263 active investiga-
tions under way against gangs and other crack cocaine distribution
groups, most of which are being conducted in cooperation with
State and local counterparts. Many of these local and regional in-
vestigations are linked together and supported by our special en-
forcement operations.
Finally, new legislation is making it increasingly difficult to
obtain essential chemicals used to process cocaine. With passage of
the Chemical Diversiori and Trafficking Act of 1989, drug enforce-
ment efforts have been greatly enhanced.
In conclusion, I would like to emphasize one point: The cocaine
kingpins want a safe haven where they can continue to operate
and continue to transport their poison to our cities. We must make
sure that they do not get what they want. It is critical that we do
everything in our power to bring an end to the worldwide terror. It
is imperative that we bring these criminals to justice.
I would like to add, Mr. Chairman, that it is important, as we
discuss improvements in our systems, to recognize that we would
not be discussing extraditions from Colombia if, in fact, these cases
had not been made and indictments returned against these people
in the United States. In fact, our only true option for eliminating
these cartel figures is through prosecution in the United States at
this time.
I thank you. I would be pleased to take any questions you may /"
have.
Chairman NUNN. Thank you, sir.
Senator Roth?
Senator ROTH. rfhank you for your testimony, Mr. Westrate. One
expert has told us that cocaine is so profitable that if law enforce-
ment interdicts 8 out of every 10 shipments coming into this coun-
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try, the traffickers can still stay in business. Now, I want to make
clear, I think DEA deserves commendation for the impressive
I See Exhibit 13 on p. 185.
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arrest and seizure statistics generated by Operation Bolivar. Now, I
think this is critically important! What real impact do these inter-
diction operations have on the trafficking organizations them-
selves? I want to get into the point of the arrests later, but aside
from thllt?
Mr. WESTRATE. Well, we have to put seizures and arrests in con-
taxt. I agree with everyone who has testified that that is one
aspect. It is a very important aspect, however. One of the critical
things about interdictions, illcluding border interdictions, is that
those seizures almost always form the basis for major conspiracy
indictments, and so they are very important in ending up with in-
dictments on people like Carlos Lehder, Monto Ballesteros, the
Ochoas, Pablo Escobar. We cannot set those aside from an investi-
gative point of view, but these types of activities have to be put to-
gether with major efforts against the cartels as organizations,
which in DENs framework we are doing through our special en-
forcement operations, but they also have to be coupled with other
activities such as lab raids, such as chemical control, such as
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demand reduction in the United States, and also a major effort
against financing.
In our investigative efforts, we Icombine three things against or-
ganizations, that is, indictments and arrests, seizure of drugs, and
seizure of assets. And I would point out to you that, while We can
always do better, this year DEA alone will be in the neighborhood
of $800 million in trafficker assets seized of all kinds, and about 40
percent of that is cash money.
Senator ROTH. As I said, I don't want to take away from those
accomplishments, but I think in the broader picture, the need to
dismantle the organizations itself has to be the ultimate criterion. I
think there that it is a little bit like the count in Vietnam.
But let me ask you this question: You mentioned chemicals on
several occasions. Is that a real vWnerability, if somehow the ace-
tone and the ether or whatever drugs or chemicals they need, if
they could be cut off, would that be a damaging blow to these orga-
nizations?
Mr. WESTRATE. Yes, sir, absolutely. In fact, chemical legislation
was one of the objectives that we set for ourselves 2 years ago in
developing our Latin -strategy, and that legislation has not only
been passed in the United States, but also is part of the United Na-
tions Convention that was signed last December in Vienna. I think
we are making good progress implementing that legislation. It can
have an impact. However, the traffickers could perhaps adjust.
For example, there is no reason why they could not ship cocaine
base directly to the United States, without having converted it to
cocaine hydrochloride. Cocaine base is simply the same thing as
crack cocaine. So, there are some things we have to watch. Also,
the reprocessing, also the notion that they could manufacture their
own chemicals in their own cracking facilities, for chemical manu-
facture.
Senator ROTH. What kind of cooperation are we getting fl'om
other countries? Do we know what countries are the principal sup-
pliers of these chemicals?
Mr. WESTRATE. Well, the United States is one principal supplier,
and we are working very closely with the chemical,industry here
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on a very cooperative basis. Germany, the Peoples Republic of
China, Brazil, Mexico, and there are several other countries that
are involved in either the shipping or the transshipment of chemi-
cals.
Senator ROTH. What kind of cooperation are we getting from
those countries trying to cut off that supply, or are we seeking
that?
Mr. WESTRA'fE. Yes, we are. This is a fairly new area of endeavor.
We have sent teams internationally. It is on the agenda at the
State Department, and I think you will see some good progress this
year on chemicals.
Senator ROTH. There has been a number of statements in the
press about mercenaries from other countries helping train mem-
bers of the cartel. You made no mention of that. Do you have any
information as to how serious a problem that is and from what
countries they come?
Mr. WESTRATE. Well, as you I am sure have seen in the media,
there are indications that some from Great Britain and some from
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Israel were involved in the training of cartel people. I think that is
probably true. I have actually seen some videotape of some of that
training activity. I think this is very serious. Any time you take
people motivated to violence like this and give them the sophisti-
cated capability, it is quite a serious matter, and I think you are
seeing this training reflected in these various bombs that are going
off, people are J}retty sophisticated in setting these explosivo de-
vices.
Senator ROTH. Now, you mentioned what we have done in the
case of chemicals, an effort through the United Nations, there has
been to forestall the export of chemicals for certain illicit purposes.
Has any similar action been taken along the lines with respect to
mercenaries?
Mr. WESTRATE. Well, we are addressing mercenaries along the
same lines from an intelligence perspective. When we do get infor-
mation, we share it, we work on it, we evaluate it. That has been
going on even over this weekend in terms of certain information
that we have received, so that is a constant thing day to day.
Senator ROTH. Now, you asserted that it would make a difference
to these organizations if we put away the kingpins. To what extent
is there a chain of command within these groups? If you do away
with one or two of the leaders at the top, would that significantly
affect their effectiveness, or would they be easily replaced by other
members of the organization? What is the relationship between ,"
these cells, how do they function?
Mr. WESTRATE. Well, I think they are quite organized now. If you
took out the very top people, you would see some immediate dis-
ruption, I am sure. But there are so many people involved in this,
much of this is family oriented also, do not forget, so I think the
cartels would be viable if the heads were just taken off. So, taking
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off the heads is a very important thing. You cannot ignore them.
The option to do nothing is obviously one that nobody would
accept, so we have to pursue this very vigorously. But we have to
take out the entire organization. If we could do it at once, we
would like to do that, but obviously we cannot, so to target the
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tivities, or are their activities just beginning? You have got. 22,000
names in your file, you say, and that is basically the cartels around
the country and around the world. How much of that has come
from other agencies like the CIA and DIA, or is their effort just
beginning?
Mr. WESTRATE. Not a whole lot of it. Their effort is just begin-
ning, and part of the notion of having a center is to be able to co-
ordinate appropriately with those organizations.
Senator NUNN. So, you agree with the center idea?
Mr. WESTRATE. Absolutely. We have proposed it and have been
talking about it.
Senator NUNN. But you would say that you already are gather-
ing strategic intelligence?
Mr. WESTRATE. Yes, sir, but that is not to say we cannot do much
better, because I think if we bring up-to-date computer capacity to
this effort, we can do a lot more quickly and we also do need en-
hanced intelligence analyst resources. Every agency would tell you
that.
Senator NUNN. Do you agree with the basic move to define suc-
cess in terms of the use of drugs in the United States?
Mr. WEs'rRATE. Yes, we have always said that. I think when we
talk about notions of adding up seizures of money, drugs, arre::lts of
people, those are in a sense a measure of the results of resources
available, and I think every agency has done that and will continue
to do that, in part. But the real measure has to be and has always
been in my mind what impact are we having, are we in fact chang-
ing the price, are we in fact reducing the number of users, and so
on, and those are the kinds of measures we really have to focus on.
Senator NUNN. What is your answer to that, are we indeed
making progress in driving down use of drugs in general in Amer-
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ica?
Mr. WESTRATE. Well, sir, that is a mixed answer also. Progress on
casual use of cocaine, yes, I thought that was quite encouraging.
The back side of that, though, is deterioration in the area of hard-
core addiction to crack cocaine in particular in the inner cities.
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Senator NUNN. Are you satisfied that we have accurate measure-
ments of use or reasonably accurate measurements?
Mr. WESTRATE. I think it is good enough to give us the trends.
My experience here, though, has been that the amount of money
you would have to spend in order to really bring these measure-
ments up to a detailed level of sophisitication are greater sums of
money than we have had available to do that.
Senator NUNN. Do you think it is worthwhile to put some money
in that?
Mr. WESTRATE. Yes, I do. But I would also say we do know what
the big trends are. Even in the operational area, with all the wire-
taps, the informants, the undercover cases, everything that is hap-
pening, we know what is going on out there pretty well.
Senator NUNN. Senator Cohen?
Senator COHEN. Just a couple of questions, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Westrate, there is a lot of discussion in the news media
about the reluctance on the part of South American countries to
invite the United States, either military involvement or simply
even assistance. Is there less reluctance to having the assistance of
DEA agents?
Mr. WESTRATE. Yes, I would say so. We approach our role as a
law enforcement role. We are assigned currently in 45 countries
around the world. We signed an agreement with the Soviet Union,
we are working with the Peoples Republic of China, and we ap-
proach this issue as a non-political law enforcement issue and it
seems quite successful. We are very active in Latin America, as
you know.
Senator COHEN. Even though it is law enforcement that you are
looking at, they are trained, are they not, at Fort Benning?
Mr. WESTRATE. Yes. In fact, I went down to the graduation of the
first agents through our newly designed training program put on
by the Army Rangers, but I would point out to you that it is not
Rangers school, it is a school that is put on to teach DEA agents
those skills that are necessary to fUllction and survive in the envi-
ronments that we are encountering in South America.
Senator COHEN. Are you satisfied with the adequacy of the train-
ing?
Mr. WESTRATE. Yes, it really was good. I was quite impressed
with it.
Senator COHEN. And the results of the training?
Mr. WESTRATE. Yes, outstanding.
Senator COHEN. Are they getting the necessary language skills
Mr. WESTRATE. Yes, they are. We are going to the Defense Lan-
guage Institute for 23 weeks of Spanish training. We had started
trying a 6-week effort and then 24 weeks, and we are now at a posi-
tion where we can invest the time to get more extensive language
training.
Senator COHEN. What do those activities include? Is it intelli-
gence-gathering? Is it military activity or para-military activity'?
Mr. WESTRATE. In the training, sir?
Senator COHEN. No, in the field.
Mr. WESTRATE. Any and all aspects of drug law enforcement, in-
formant management, coordination of investigations, if we hit a lab
site, we want to know where the chemicals came from, we want to
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know what the capacity was, we want to know any markings and
any of the type of thing that would help us. For example, in Boliv-
ia, our main focus right now is to identify those groups that are
actually purchasing the paste product from the Campesinos in fo-
cusing our enforcement efforts against those paste-buying groups,
and then against the hydrochloride labs in the area.
Now, the para-military aspects of this really are driven by the
environment that we are functioning in. You are not close to hospi-
tals, so we have hired six DEA medics. We have medics who are
basically retired special forces medics who are supporting. This
past weekend, they had some activity where the medics proved
most useful. So, we are adding to our basic drug law enforcement
abilities those skills and techniques that we need for that environ-
ment.
Senator COHEN. Do you have any information as to whether
there has been any cartel penetration of the government agencies
the DEA has to work with?
Mr. WESTRATE. Internationally?
Senator COHEN. In those countries in which DEA is working, do
you have any evidence that cartel organiZations themselves have •
been successful in penetrating government agencies, to know when
a strike is coming, when a law enforcement operation is under
way? Can you tell us about that?
Mr. WESTRATE. Yes, clearly, corruption is a factor worldwide. It
is something that we put into the management of our efforts on a
continuing basis. Our counterparts are also very concerned about
that. When we develop information about corruption, we do pass it.
In most cases, action is taken. I think if there was less corruption,
we could be more efficient, but we have to live with what exists.
I think all the agencies are making some progress in this area,
but clearly, bribes and corruption are a big part of what exist
today, particularly when you talk about cartels, with this type of
strength and financing.
Senator COHEN. There were one or two DEA agents who were
killed in a helicopter crash earlier this year. Have you made any
determination as to whether that involved foul play?
Mr. WESTRATE. There is no indication that it involved foul play
at all. I am pleased to say that we had the best available aviation
minds in our government to support it. The !i'BI supported us with
their lab activities, and there is no indication of foul play whatso-
ever, it looked strictly like an aircraft accident. It
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tigations, the continual arrests of low-level, non-critical cartel em-
ployees, and the daily seizure of multi-hundred kilogram quantities
of cocaine do not significantly affect the ability of the cartels to op-
erate, To the cartels, these arrests and seizures are merely the cost
of doing business, one that they are willing to pay, with the almost
certain prospect of enormous profits.
The Drug Intelligence Unit at FBI Headquarters is a clearing-
house for FBI field data produced by the Joint Drug Intelligence
Group and other intelligence initiatives in FBI field offices. FBI
and DEA intelligence data is reviewed, analyzed and the data in-
corporated into comprehensive intelligence reports that are suita-
ble for use in oversight, management, trend projection and oper-
ational support to both FBI and DEA field personnel.
In order to complete the circle of drug intelligence analysis, the
FBI has developed the computer capabilities necessary to support
the investigators and analysts. A state-of-the-art drug information
system prototype has been tested and is being implemented. The
system will be phased into operation in 18 of our 57 field offices,
beginning in fiscal year 1990, and will aid in program management
by improving asset seizure and forfeiture processing; formulating
our strategy; analyzing raw intelligence data; projecting trafficking
organization trends; and providing computer-aided visual investiga-
tive analysis.
The drug information system will produce near-term benefits to
support a wide v~riety of FBI drug investigative needs, while ..
moving forward to a far-term goal of becoming the nexus for a
multi-agency, integrated drug analytical intelligence system.
The most significant drug trafficking organizations and the car-
tels they form are the target of the FBI's most recent and ambi-
tious effort into criminal intelligence analysis. Colombian cartels
are formidable opponents, worthy of the best efforts of drug law en-
•
forcement.
As an example, the infamous Medellin cartel is actually a group
or conglomerate made up of the pooled resources, as mentioned
here today, of at least three principal organizations: the Pablo
Emilio Escobar-Gaviria organization, the Jorge Luis Ochoa-Vasquez
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organization, and the Gonzalo Rodriguez-Gacha organization. At
least 17 other subordinate organizations are also involved.
The structure of the organizations that make up the Medellin
cartel is typical of cocaine organizations in general. With the ex-
ception of the bosses of the organization, the management hierar-
chy appears fluid. Group members change position or affiliation
within the cartel, occasionally branching out to start their own or-
ganizations. Yet, the key figures in any group, we find, remain rel-
atively constant. They develop new markets traditionally and settle
their disputes on a global level.
The cocaine is, in an economic sense, both a product and a serv-
ice market. In the individual organization, the division of labor is
highly complex and organized. At the low- and mid-levels of these
organizations, the managers are easily transferred, even through
the positions and even though they remain constant. Crop produc-
tion and refining are multi-phased operations and, as such, they
are labor-intensive. Traditionally, they are foreign-based, limiting
the FBI's ability to gather strategic operational intelligence on this
particular aspect.
Once refined, the cocaine product must be transported to mar-
kets in the United States and Europe. Often, the transportation
managers are also wholesale distributors of the product. Wholesale
distribution within the market area requires yet another structural
level in the organizational hierarchy.
Once delivered to the market territory, cocaine must be stored,
transported, and sold in an increasingly hostile environment. Prop-
erty custodians or managers must rent stash houses, vehicles, com-
munications devices and all supporting documentation and financ-
ing for the franchising of the cocaine product within our borders.
It is at this level that investigative law enforcement, as opposed
to interdiction operations, most often encounter the cocaine distri-
bution network. It is also at this level that the opportunity is
present to use sophisticated investigative techniques and carefully
recruited informants to penetrate the network and begin a long-
term investigation to both identify and gather evidence against as
many elements of the organization as possible.
The investigative opportunity must be maximized. '1'he tempta-
tion to quickly seize a significant cocaine load and arrest those per-
sons initially identified is rejected in favor of the longer-term com-
mitment to dismantle the entire organization.
The FBI's recently concluded CAT-COM:-catch communica-
tions-investigation is an example where the FBI targeted the
transportation division of the Colombian organization. Statistics of
this case speak for themselves. In excess of 5.5 tons of cocaine and
over 105 tons of marijuana were seized or recovered.
The methods used were equally unique. The CAT-COM undercov-
er operation sold sophisticated electronic communications equip-
ment to Colombian organization members operating in South Flori-
da. Through the use of court-ordered electronic surveillance, the
FBI and other organized crime enforcement task force agencies,
under the FBI's lead, tracked and seized incoming shipments, while
identifying and pursuing the organization and its members.
A critical and yet often overlooked factor in the success of CAT-
COM and its genre is the element of operational intelligence. With-
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out an intelligence base, our CAT-COM undercover agents would
have been unable to isolate those individual drug trafficking mem-
bers from the general population. Even more importantly, our in-
telligence capabilities enable the FBI to isolate the highest-level
traffickers to target for our communications operation. Time spent
by' the Miami Joint Intelligence Group has been returned many-
fold by saving scarce investigative resources from false starts at
secondary targets, expensive pursuits of targets of opportunity, and
the immediately gratifying but overall ineffectiveness of "cold
hits." CAT-COM, I should mention, has so far led to the indictment
of 92 major drug conspirators and the dismantling of 7 drug trans-
portation and distribution groups allied with the Medellin cartel.
The charted intellIgence products displayed here today are but
an example of a first step in a total multi-agency approach to the
intelligence analytical process. Both foreign and domestic data is
required on a time-sensitive basis. Data storage, retrieval and col-
lection cannot be viewed as the final phase of this process. Analysis
is absolutely essential to capitalize on quality intelligence informa-
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tion.
It is the FBI's proven ability to gather, store, retrieve and ana-
lyze intelligence data that we believe adds an essential and extra
dimension, a unique ingredient to our drug law enforcement. The
Joint Drug Intelligence Group in Miami, the Drug Intelligence
Unit in Washington, and the FBI's Drug Information System are
designed to go beyond investigative targets of opportunity and cold-
hit interdictions, with a clearly-defined intelligence-driven investi-
gative targeting program. This program will allow us to effectively
bring to bear the FBI's proven ability to dismantle complex crimi-
nal organizations through the use of sophisticated, long-term, orga-
nizationally directed investigations.
Mr. Chairman, that concludes my summary statement and I
would now like to turn your attention to a particular chart that we
have of Colombian cartels in the United States. 1
The FBI began collecting organizational intelligence on Colombi-
an cocaine traffickers in 1985. This collection process has largely
been the responsibility of the Miami FBI-DEA Joint Drug Intelli-
gence Group, which has performed this task with limited personnel
resources.
Due to these limited factors, FBI drug intelligence efforts have
been directed at developing profiles on the groups, having the most
significant impact on U.S. cocaine importation and distribution. A
Consequently, while a great deal is known about the organizations
affiliated with the Medellin and Cali ca.rtels, there is in some in-
stances very little known about the other groups.
The size of the groups, as you have heard toda.y, appears to vary,
based on different intelligence approaches. Some of the smaller
groups perform specialized functions, such as transporters or dis-
tributors for other organizations. Since 1985, Miami FBI, working
with other agencies, has identified more than 200 Colombian drug
trafficking groups, and these groups have operations in the United
I See Exhibit 14 on p. 186. •
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States. Each of these groups have representatives in the United
States or otherwise affect drug activity here.
These Colombian trafficking groups directly impact drug activity
in at least 13 States. The map that I am demonstrating for you il-
lustrates where the organizations identified are active, as well as
the cartel with which they are allied. Some groups are allied in
more than one of the four cartels identified here, while other
groups are believed to have no central affiliation.
Jack, if you would note that Miami, New York, and Los Angeles
are designated through our investigations as first-level drug distri-
bution centers. These are the three most active Colombian traffick-
ing centers in the United States.
Let's take a look at Miami. We have identified 128 Colombian or-
ganizations with activity in the Miami area. The cartel affiliations
there are broken down through our analysis, as follows: 32 groups
are members or allied with the Medellin cartel; 13 groups are
members or allied with the Cali cartel; three groups with the
Bogota cartel, and 12 groups are members or allied with the North
Coast cartel, and that North Coast cartel is the one that was not
addressed by previous testimony, so for a moment I would like to
tell you that it is the closest group to the United States on the
north coast of Colombia, and it was very active in the 1970's, trans-
porting marijuana into the United States.
We have identified transportation and distribution groups of this
cartel. The names we have excluded because of ongoing investiga-
tions. It is worth noting, we believe, that they are among the most
violent of the drug cartels working in the United States.
We have 94 FBI agents in Miami, Mr. Chairman, assigned to
drug investigations, and we employ six drug intelligence analysts
in Miami. One thing that I learned on a 2-year assignment at the
CIA was the most effective way to conduct long-term complex in-
vestigations, was to better employ intelligence analysts, and I was
happy, upon returning to the FBI, to find that they had discovered
that in the process and we are attempting to increase the number
of analysts we apply to this problem. Those analysts as I described
in Miami are situated in the field offices.
In New York, we have identified 52 organizations with activity,
and they are broken down as follows: 19 groups with the Medellin
cartel; seven groups with the Cali cartel; one group, the North
Coast cartel; and 25 groups with no known affiliation. In New
York, again, a similar number: 96 special agents are assigned to
drug investigations, and five are doing the analytical work for us.
The last of the three first-tier cities for bringing drugs into this
country, Los Angeles, has 28 organizations that we have identified
with known activity in that city: 15 are associated with the Medel-
lin cartel, two groups with the Cali cartel, one each with Bogota
and the North Coast cartel, and nine with no known affiliation. In
Los Angeles, we apply to this problem 80 special agents and five
analysts.
We do have the Level II cities, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Houston,
Ne'.vark, San Diego, San Francisco, and there are additional areas
of the country that we have identified with significant cartel activi-
ty.
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The point is that we have applied our capabilities, those that
. were proven in our organized crime investigations to effectively dis-
mantle the 25 La Cosa Nostra families in the United States, to this
same problem, and I think our biggest asset is the realization that
we have to have computerized capability, and to that extent, sir,
we have in place a prototype that we call Apollo, which is a multi-
dimensional computer capability, we have demonstrated this to Mr.
Thornburg's staff, and we are going to demonstrate it to Mr. Ben-
nett this Thursday. .
We are excited about this particular computerized capability, be-
cause it will enable us to bring onto one screen otherwise incom-
patible computer data bases, so that we can draw upon in the FBI
our other proven management systems that singly have not proven
sufficient for the drug war. Our organized crime information
system, which is very effective to help us attack La Cosa Nostra, ..
but we found that even coupled with our investigative support in-
telligence system was not enough to handle the volume and the in-
tricacies of the drug efforts, and so our Technical Services Division,
working together with our Criminal Investigative Division, has de-
veloped this prototype and that is the heart of our Drug Informa- •
tion System, a system that we offer and hope will be considered in
whatever finally is evolved as a national drug intelligence center
for law enforcement.
Senator NUNN. Do you think that that center, Mr. Baker, that
you are talking about, should that be part of this new strategic in-
telligence organization, or should that be the center of it? Is that
what you are talking about, strategic intelligence?
Mr. BAKER. Yes, it is, sir. This computerized system will allow us
to use visual analysis, it will allow us in its final phases to trans-
port photographs, to do program management, to utilize artificial
intelligence, and I am told by computer experts who have exam-
ined it, that it is fully capable of the challenges of whatever finally
is decided upon for an intelligence center.
Senator NUNN. You are saying that this effort could be the
center itself, because what you are describing sounds to me as if
that is what Director Bennett's organization is describing. Is that a
correct interpretation?
Mr. BAKER. It will be the tool, the machine that can effectively
draw all of the data bases together and therefore make the agents
and personnel assigned to that privy to the same information out
of one locale, which now we have to go to different areas to get.
The FBI worked with DEA and we set up an earlier version of this
which we call Tiger Paw, the idea being that we could put incom-
patible data bases on one screen and then use it, which we are
doing at the EPIC center in Texas.
With this machine that I am talking about, this computer, we
will be able to cut and paste and collate information from all these
various data bases, and that is really the heart and essence of it.
Senator NUNN. I guess what I am asking is do we need the FBI
capability and then do we need, in addition to that, a separate um-
brella for all of this, or are you describing one and the same thing? •
Mr. BAKER. This particular computer, sir, could be used as an
umbrella and we are prepared to use it in the ongoing investiga-
tions that we now have. We are going to deploy it next year in 18
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of our 57 field offices. We have the funding for that and WI) are
going to move ahead to add it to the remainder of our field offices
by 1993. We will also have it at FBI Headquarters, but we are not
COVf.'ltous of this capability, it is one that we have shown to other
agencies and we believe could be the heart of this intelligence ap-
proacb.
Senator NUNN. Thank you. Did I interrupt you or did you finish
your statement?
Mr. BAKER. No, sir.
Senator NUNN. That was the end. Thank you for your testimony.
Senator Roth, let me just ask one or two questions and then I
will defer to you.
In what we call traditional organized crime, we know that, from
time to time over the years, there have been wars between various
groups, and we know from time to time there have been what we
call commission meetings. Do you have either of those kinds of de-
velopments with the drug cartels? Do you have wars between the
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groups, between the cartels? I am not talking so much street level,
but high-level wars. And do you have any kind of evidence that
; there is a commission that supervises territor:y, jurisdiction, and so
forth and so on?
" Mr. BAKER. Sir, we have evidence of the wars, to answer your
first question, and those battles are being conducted at high levels
within th9 cartels.
As far as a commission, we have found nothing as solid as the
traditional LCN commission that would go out and resolve turf
issues, and that perhaps makes these cartels more volatile, because
they do not appear to have that umbrella leadership. It is the three
major cartels, the two really, and then Bogota 1 and the North At-
lantic. 2 Clearly, the Cali 3 and the Medellin are the primary forces.
Senator NUNN" I notice on the State of Georgia up there, you
have Macon and Atlanta, and you have blue, which means "other,"
meaning not part of the identifiable cartels, and you have those
blue marks in a number of other places, Oregon, I see Arizona,
New Jersey, all over the lot. Are thtk.:) other designations impor-
tant organizations, or are they just ad hoc, sort of minor players in
the league?
Mr. BAKER. No, Senator, they are important. Much of the FBI's
resources applied-and we have approximately 1,200 agents work-
ing this drug battle-··work in the organized crime drug enforce-
ment task forces. These task forces around the country enable the
FBI, DEA and other Federal agencies to maximize our Federal
presence by bringing in local deputies, and we are therefore able to
address some of the significant local problems, and a lot of those
blue lines are unidentified because we have not directly tracked
them back. We know they are getting their cocaine from Colombia,
but our inttilligence is not hard enough to say that it is the Medel-
lin group, as opposed to the Cali group.
Senator NUNN. So, it could be, though?
1 See Exhibit 18 on p. 190.
2 See Exhibit 19 on p. 191.
3 See Exhibit 20 on p. 192.
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Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir, and those lines will change and we maY'end
up with a red or other tag on it.
Senator NUNN. You have had several indictments in Atlanta, for
instance, and I thought that individuals were thought to be mem-
bers of the Medellin cartel.
Mr. BAKER. In that instance, yes, sir.
Senator NUNN. Senator Roth?
Senator ROTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
As I listened to your testimony, Mr. Baker, in many ways it
seems to me to reflect also what Mr. Carnes was saying, that we
need to develop a strategic offense and not a tactical offense. I
think Mr. Sessions recently testified how in the case of the LCN we
spent many years on a tactical approach, but it did not achieve the
basic purpose of dismantling the organization. Do you think your
experience in dealing with the LON and developing a strategic ap-
proach to try to dismantle them will be useful or can be useful in
developing the strategy against the drug traffickers, and what dif.·
ferences would there be?
Mr. BAKER. Well, I certainly do see a great crutch in us being
able to draw upon our organized crime experience. It is not by acci- •
dent, Senator, that they are worked in the same branch at our
Headquarters, we have our Organized Crime Section and our Drug
Section under one deputy at FBI Headquarters.
When we got into the drug wars in 1982, we drew very heavily,
both in the agents themselves and in the experience that we
gleaned from effecti"\~ly going after the LCN. There are differ-
ences, the fluidity that: has been mentioned in earlier testimony is
more apparent in these drug cartels. The leadership is family ori-
ented in many cases and city oriented, which does have some track-
ing to our traditional organized crime.
We have the similar language barriers. Instead of Sicilian and
certpjn Italian dialects, the Colombian dialects pose to use transla-
tion problems. But we fmd that there are enough comparable items
that our approach strategically is very similar in going after the
cartels. The use of the sophisticated techniques, our capacity to use
undercover agents, cooperating witnesses, and go long-term after
this problem, not to take out an early cache of drugs, but to wait,
to introduce the Title Ill's, because just as within the LCN, these
cartel members must communicate, and I ment.ioned our Catch
Communications, which also identifies the importance of our rack-
eteering enterprise approach to the drug problem.
We did not just accidentally come across those people who we
were targeting. We had conducwd the REI, identified the organiza-"
tion members, and then sought out the key members by this com~
munications undercover company which we set up to sell them cel-
lular telephones, side-band radios to communicate with their smug-
gling fleets and then, with court-authorized access, we followed
those and were able to therefore be effective. 'l'hat is the tradition-
al type of work we applied to ~he LCN.
Senator ROTH. Isn't one of the most significant differences be-
tween the LCN and the drug cartels the fact that they are not •
within our jurisdiction, they are within foreign countries, so that it
makes much more difficult the question of apprehension and pun-
ishment?
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Now, you mentioned on your chart the number of operations of
the cartels within the U.S. Let's assume for discussion that all of
those were destroyed and dismantled. Would that be a major griev-
ous blow, or would that be easy to replace?
Mr. BAKER. Senator, if we were able jointly, I might add, to
eradicate all of those groups, that would be a major blow. The one
thing that we are not sure we are getting rid of at the same time is
demand, and if that demand for the drugs remains constant, then
the profit margin is such that, not for the sake of this hearing, but
we have Asit".n groups waiting in the wings and there are other
groups that lire more than willing to fill any void, so it takes this
applied strategic law enforcement approach, coupled with other
agencies and our own efforts to reduce demand, before I could tell
you that that in a sense wou!.:\' wipe out the problem.
Senator NUNN. I believe you are saying, if I could interrupt just
a moment, that no matter how well we do on the supply side, even
wiping out the cartels themselves, unless we do something about
demand, drugs are going to continue to come into this country. Is
that what you are saying?
Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir.
Senator ROTH. I think that is the reason President Barco's state-
ment was so eloquent the other day about how every casual user is
really helping these criminals.
But going back, do we have any intelligence as to how much of
the assets of these cartels are still held within the United States?
We know that there are these tremendous laundering operations
and so forth, but basically, when you are talking about billions of
dollars, would you say or could you categorize in any way what you
see as assets in this country?
Mr. BAKER. Senator, I would refrain from giving you a number. I
could tell you that an integral part of our approach to organized
crime, and that is what this is, is to use another element proven
from our LON investigations, and that is the forfeiture and asset
seizure capabilities, We have created what we call FAST teams,
Forfeit and Asset Seizure Teams, in these major offices where we
have drug problems. We utilize these teams early on to identify the
assets and to work with our special agents, these auditor agents, so
that at the time we take down the organization, we can do the
most damage, having identified and seized their assets, both within
the country and outside the country. Clearly, those identified out-
side the country are more difficult to isolate, but we are doing a lot
of work with the European Community. We expect in 1992, when
those barriers break down, a greater flow of cocaine trafficking. As
those countries experience the same problem we are going through,
we will hope to work with them for better laws, so that we can mu-
tually hit, just as we have done in our terrorists efforts, to develop
nations who will work with us.
Senator ROTH. Time is fleeing. Let me just ask one or two more
brief questions. You have analyzed the hierarchies of these cartels
to be somewhat the same of a major corporation, you do away with
the top commander, they are well enough organized that they
would continue to function effectively?
Mr. BAKER. Senator, we know from experience that when we ar-
rested previous cartel leaders in Spain, cousins, brothers and rela-
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tives took over the operation, so that we are aware that, as in our
own work, everyone is somewhat replaceable and they do have the
infrastructure so that new leaders can take over. I think that is the
significance of not just focusing at the lower level and the high
level, but going after the entire apparatus.
Senator ROTH. Well, time is fleeing, so I will end my questions
here. Thank you very much for your help.
Mr. BAKER. Thank you.
Senator NUNN. Thank you very much, Mr. Baker. 'lYe appreciate
your very helpful testimony.
Senator Roth, I believe we have one more witness, a very impor~
tant witness, and do you want to call that witness?
Senator ROTH. Yes. Our next witness is one of the true heroes in
the war against drugs. Fabio Castillo is a former member of the Co-
lombian Attorney General's Office. He recently published a book ~
called liThe Cocaine Cowboys," which is widely regarded as one of
the most accurate and comprehensive works on the Colombian co-
caine cartels. 1
He is also an award-winning investigative journalist for the Co-
lombian newspaper El Espectador, who is currently living in exile •
due to threats against his life. He is indeed a brave man. We thank
him for what he has contributed, and we anxiously await his testi-
mony today.
Senator NUNN. Thank you.
Mr. Castillo, we appreciate you being here. You understand what
I am saying all right, getting the translation?
Mr. CASTILLO. Yes, sir.
Senator NUNN. Do you swear that the testimony you will give
before this Subcommittee will be the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth, so help you, God?
Mr. CASTILLO. I do.
Senator NUNN. Thank you. We appreciate you being here. We
are not in any rush now. We know your testimony is very impor-
tant, and so you take your time. We will have simultaneous trans~
lation, as I announced earlier. For people who would like to be as-
sisted by translation, there is equipment available in the back of
the room.
So we appreciate you being here and we will ask you to proceed
with your statement, after which we will have some questions for
you.
TESTIMONY OF FABIO CASTILLO, AUTHOR AND INVESTIGATIVE
REPORTER
Mr. CASTILLO [as interpreted from Spanish]. Thank you, Chair-
man Nunn and members of the Permanent Investigations Subcom~
mittee. I will read a summary of a lengthier statement that I
turned in before.
My name is Fabio Castillo. My last job in Colombia was head of
the investigative unit for a newspaper calle,d El Espectador, which
I held until December of 1987, when I was forced to leave Colombia •
because of threats against my life. The threats followed the publi-
1 Exhibit 21. Retained in the Subcommittee liles,
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cation of my book tiThe Cocaine Cowboys," which is an examina-
tion of the roots, development and consolidation of narcotics traf-
ficking groups in Colombia. I wish to clarify that this book is a col-
laborative effort by many of my colleagues who wish to remain
anonymous.
I began my career as a journalist in 1972, while I was studying in
the university. I originally worked for a Bogota newspaper called
El Sigio, and in 1979 I changed jobs to El Espectador, covering the
Supreme Court of Justice and the Council of State. It was in cover-
ing this beat that I received my first look at the world of narcotics
trafficking as a journalist.
When I was first starting out as a reporter in Bogota, there was
very little awareness of the enormity and strength of these narcot-
ics traffickers. We covered stories about them when they killed or
kidnapped each other, but we covered it mainly as rivalry between
gangs. I remember I first learned of Pablo Escobar in 1982 when a
case came before the Supreme Court against Mario Henao Vallejo,
Escobar's brother-in-law. The case asked for an annulment of
Henao's sentence. There was a tendency on the part of the govern-
ment to focus on the lower echelons of the organizations, rather
than those who directed them.
In 1982, I left the media temporarily to take a job as the private
secretary to the newly appointed Attorney General of Colombia,
Carlos Jimenez Gomez. In 1982, Bogota and the whole of Colombia
was consumed with the violence of a newly emerging, para-military
organization which called itself MAS, or Death to Kidnappers. The
Attorney General created a commission to investigate this organi-
zation. The investigation turned up large amounts of information
about the operations of narcotics trafficking groups. Unfortunately,
when the report was made public, most of that information was not
included.
In June of 1983, I returned to the media as a reporter for t:he
newspaper El Espectador, having a greater understanding of the
size and strength of cocaine trafficking groups. Also, at that time,
Dr. Rodrigo Lara Bonilla had been designated Minister of Justice,
and Colonel Jaime Ramirez was then the head of the National Po-
lice's anti-narcotics unit. Both of these men were friends of mine.
As you may know, both of them were later assassinated by narcot-
ics traffickers.
By 1985, the narcotics traffickers' muscle was being felt by the
journalists who were urged to write stories about how horribly Co-
lombians were treated in American jails. This, it was thought,
would galvanize nationalistic spirit and garner support to abolish
the extradition treaty. Later, the pressure changed so that anyone
who published any articles or editorials in support of the extradi-
tion treaty was threatened or killed. Raul Echeverria, the editor of
Cali newspaper, who was a staunch advocate of extradition, was
killed in 1985.
In August of 1986, President Barco took office and 12 extradition
requests were waiting for him when he arrived. Betancur, the pre-
vious president, had postponed making a decision during the last 6
months he was in office. During the first months of Barco's admin-
istration, my editor-in-chief, Don Guillermo Cano, pleaded with the
government, in his weekly column, to take a defined position on
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these extradition requests. Mr. Cano took a singularly direct ap-
proach in writing about the narcotics problem. He denounced the
narcotics traffickers by name, accusing them of imposing a new
kind of slavery on the Colombian people. He accused the govern-
ment of complicity, stating that not taking a stand on extradition
requests was placing too much a hardship on the courts and that
the judges were taking the full force of the traffickers assassination
campaign.
On December 17, 1989, Don Guillermo Cano was assassinated in
front of the offices of El Espectador, his newspaper. Evidence sug-
gests that this assassination was ordered by Pablo Escobar. It was
one month to the day after the assassination of National Police
Colonel Jaime Ramirez.
Immediately after Cano's assassination, El Espectador, and other
members of the journalistic community, decided to create a jour-
nalistic front made up of print, television and radio media. We
agreed to jointly cover all issues that warranted our attention, in-
cluding extradition and other narcotics-related matters. In this
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way, we hoped to fight back and, at the same time, protect anyone
journalist or paper from being targeted by the traffickers. After we
had published the first five reports, the pressure began to stop us.
One by one, the members of our front began to drop out, refusing
to publish certain articles. Within three months, this front was dis-
solving, and within 6 months it had totally crumbled.
The dissolution of this journalistic front combined with the inac-
tivity of the Colombian government in the face of these increasing-
ly bold drug trafficking organizations provoked me to begin work-
ing on my book was to open the eyes of my countrymen to the true
nature of narcotics trafficking, which by that time had completely
altered the constitutional equilibrium of our system.
Much of the information published in the book, both documenta-
ry and verbal, had been given to me previously b~~ Col. Ramirez
and Dr. Lara Bonilla. Within two weeks of the book s publication, I
was advised that a hit team had been sent from Medellin to assas-
sinate me. I am currently living in other countries, continuing my
work as a journalist, and I write a column for El Espectador.
The investigations that I have carried out since leaving my coun-
try have deepened my understanding of the true dimension of
international support that narcotics traffickers make use of to sur-
vive. The traffickers are able to import, with ease, hundreds of tons
of ether and acetone from Germany, the Netherlands, and the
United States. Without these precursor chemicals, the production
of cocaine would be virtually impossible. Moreover, I have learned •
that the traffickers use a huge international banking network,
which includes 29 identified fiscal havens. Banks in these havens
are ready and willing to launder hundreds of thousands of $20 bills
produced each year by the sa.le of Colombian cocaine.
A real war against cocaine trafficking should include among its
objectives drastic controls on the sale and distribution of precursor
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chemicals, as well as equivalent penalties for narcotics trafficking
or money laundering.
But this war against narcotics, which has cost Colombia the lives
of many of its citizens, also requires a clear and definitive gesture
of support from the United States and the other more developed
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countries. I would cite, for example of this support, the need to sus-
tain the coffee agreement between the United States and Colombia.
A good part of the legitimate economy in Colombia draws suste-
nance from this agreement. Colombia and Latin America in gener-
al need a great act of confidence from the developed countries in
order to overcome their level of poverty, which today has returned
to 1967 levels. We must revive foreign investment, not investment
with onerous conditions related to our foreign debt, but investment
under terms which are a normal part of international trade.
Colombia needs and merits this show of confidence if we hope to
overcome the problems which have made our country vulnerable to
the lure of easy money.
Today, there is another new and troubling international dimen-
sion added with the arrival of foreign mercenaries from Israel and
England who have been contracted to train illegal armies with
weapons bought in the United States.
With the assassination of the candidate Luis Carlos Galan, the
Colombian administration has declared war against the narcotics
traffickers. Perhaps better late than never, President Barco has im-
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ship of land, are very, very large and substantial in amount .
Could these assets be seized and somehow used to help the public
at large as a means of promoting the economy? Does the Govern-
ment, for example, have authority to take the land that is owned
by the eartels and use it for public purpose?
Mr. CASTILLO. Yes. In the public order decree that was issued fol-
lowing the assassination of Luis Carlos Galan, who was a candidate
to thel presidency, an expanded drug council was empowered to be
able to seize land and assets.
And the person that turns up to claim this land or these assets
has a 5 day term to appear and to show that the money used to
purchase the property was not proceeds from drug trafficking. And
since all of the major drug kingpins are fleeing from Colombian
justice, I am certain that they will not corne in to claim property.
Consequently, these lands will be turned over to an agency,
which is the Colombian family Welfare Institute, and this institute
will be in charge of distributing these assets according to the social
needs of the region where these properties are located.
In other words to answer your question specifically, yes, this can
be an important factor, because the Colombian land Agency has es-
timated that the size of the lands presently under control of the
drug traffickers can be one million hectares.
Senator BOTH. I think you heard the earlier testimony about the
importance of'a strategic plan to dismantle the cartels. As I under-
stand your testimony, you think two critical items in dismantling
would be through attacking money laundering and cutting off the
precursor chemicals, acetone and ether.
I wonder, if you were the commanding general in this war, what
other factors you would include as part of your strategic attack to
dismantle these cartels?
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Mr. CASTILLO. We also have to take into account transportation,
especially air transportation. That is a key element. Right now
what is being said in Colombia is that production of the type of air-
craft, small aircraft that is used generally to fly cocaine into the
United States, has been stopped.
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I really don't know what brand name it is, but that it is what is
being said, that this aircraft was produced in Great Britain and the
patent to the know-how had been acquired by Israel and that that
aircraft was being produced but isn't any longer, but that this
has-according to what is said on the street-increased three-fold
the worth of one of these airplanes. So this would be a way of also
stopping drug traffic.
Senator ROTH. I would like to turn, if I might, to the charts on
the wall. I think you have had an opportunity to look at them.
Do you generally agree with the information presented in these
charts?
Mr. CASTILLO. In general terms, yes. They are very well prepared.
Senator ROTH. Let's take a few names and look at these individ-
uals, specifically.
The Builes family, are you familiar with that organization?
Mr. CASTILLO. Yes, I do.
Senator ROTH. How about Dayro Chica, what do you know about
him?
Mr. CASTILLO. Do you want me to comment on these people, on
these names, or do you just want me to answer yes, I know them,
or no, I do not? .
Senator ROTH. I would prefer that you comment on the names.
Mr. CASTILLO. Well then, first of all, regarding Joaquin Builes,
what I understand is that Builes works in Medellin. These are two
brothers, and basically they are involved in cocaine transportation.
Now, in terms of Dayro Chica, it is said that he was a trainer. He
was a horse trainer for the Ochoa's thoroughbredb ~~~ that as a
result of a special favor, he was drawn into the cocaine traffic. But
the truth of the matter is that the comments-and I repeat that
these are comments-that what is said in Colombia is that for
some special reason his name was left off the list of persons who
the United States has asked for their extradition. I don't know if
that is true or not.
Senator ROTH. How key are these top figures? If they were im-
prisoned, would that be fatal to the cartels, or are the cartels so
well organized that other members of the family or cartel take
over?
Mr. CASTILLO. I think that the arrest, their capture, their incar-
ceration of the leaders of the two cartels, Medellin's and Cali's,
would be very, very important in terms of destroying these cocaine
trafficking rings. I base my statements on some recordings that
were found on a farm belonging to Pablo Escobar called EI Bischor-
cho, that is close to Medellin. Those were recordings that he had
made of his own phone conversations, and they allow one to believe
that he has almost complete direct control over money manage-
ment and cocaine management in Colombia, or at least within his
organization.
So that to me means that if he could be gotten out of criminal
activity in Colombia, that would be very important in terms of a
true fight against drug trafficking.
Senator ROTH. We have had some differing information about the
Bogota group. Would you identify the Bogota cartel as a separate
cartel, or is it part of the Medellin cartel as shown on that dia-
gram?
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Mr. CASTILLO. In terms of Bogota, 'Ii\hink that this is more like
the Atlantic Coast cartel that was being mentioned before, because
the Bogota cartel, if you CQuid use that expression, actually de-
pends in its entirety on Gonzalo Rodriguez-Gacha. It was previous-
ly controlled by Mata Ballesteros and Carlos Lehder. The same can
be said of the so-called Atlantic Coast cartel.
What it does is-at least as far as I know as a journalist-pro-
vide transportation of the Medellin cartel's drugs. So if you begin
to dismantle each organization, or if you break them down by re-
gions, we can find the Vichada cartel where drugs are produced. ...
Then we have Tititavy cartel where there is a lab.
So I think that the organization, if you want to give it the name
IIcartel," which is an association of people so as to dominate a
market, control prices, and eliminate competition, would have to be
taken in terms of the leaders. In other words, these are Pablo Esco-
bar Gaviria, Jorge Ochoa, et al., and Rodriguez-Gacha, and the Cali
cartel that is gaining in importance is made up of the Rodriguez-
Orejuela brothers and Jose Sanata Cruz-Londono.
Senator ROTH. My time is up.
Senator NUNN. Senator Roth, I will just ask a couple of questions •
and then get back to you.
Considering what is going on in Colombia, considering the stand
that the Government has taken there, and the onslaught against
the Government and the ju.dges and so forth, what are the two or
three most important things that the United States should do to
assist Colombia during this period?
Mr. CASTILLO. I think that it would be very interesting to deter-
mine to what extent we need to have some streamlining within the
U.S. organizations, because we can see how from Cuba-according
to the most recent trials that we had word of-if we see that from
Cuba, cocaine laden aircraft were coming into the United States,
having taken off from Cuban beaches, I wonder-suppose there had
been missiles aboard? This indicates that there has to be some com-
plicity in terms of some of the security agencies, and I wouldn't
even venture to think what these agencies might be. So I think
that there hag to be some house cleaning on the part of the United
States.
Also there has to be some direct control exerted over banking in
the United States, because the United States banks are the first to
receive monies and then those monies are recycled.
Senator NUNN. What about help within Colombia? What kind of
view do you have about the role of the American military in Co-
lombia? Do you think that having people there who are helping to
train will be helpful? Do you think there should be a line drawn as
to what the U.S. military does in Colombia? How will that affect
the Government's own popularity and support within the country?
Mr. CASTILLO. I really don't have any grounds to be able to reach
judgment on that. I have been out of Colombia now for a year and
a half, but my journalistic sense would tell me that direct military
intervention in Colombia would be very poorly received, and it
would exacerbate nationalist feelings, which is hard to understand •
if you take into account the true dimensions of the drug traffic, be-
cause those dimensions are international. They are world-wide in
scale.
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But some sort of cooperation in investigative endeavors might be
better received. These investigative endeavors have been described
in detail during this session, and I think that that would be a very
valid, useful way to help Colombia in this war decreed by President
Barco against the Mafia in Colombia.
Senator NUNN. Prime Minister Manley in Jamaica has suggested
an inter-American drug squad that would not be composed of U.S.
military force, but rather police forces, well trai.ned anti-narcotic
forces from various countries in Latin America. How would you
view that kind of international force in terms of possible assistance
in Colombia, or a country like Colombia in the future?
Mr. CASTILLO. I think that that would be an ideal solution, even
though I cannot see why the U.S. Army would be excluded from a
Latin American drug force if-after all, the United States is one of
the most affected countries and consequently it is very mindful of
the problems caused by drug trafficking. I think that that force
that could be similar to the Blue Helmets of the United Nations,
but in a more active sense of intervention in the counties directly
affected by drug trafficking could be a very good solution. We now
see the expansion of laboratories, traffickers are now going into
Brazil and Ecuadorians are now getting involved in drug traffick-
ing, and more and more we see that Chile and Argentina are being
used as trans-shipment or as drug trafficking points.
Senator NUNN. So there would be a distinction in your mind be-
tween U.S. military forces and a Latin American group?
Mr. CASTILLO. I am sorry, what did you say sir.
Senator NUNN. So there would be a real distinction between
intervention by U.S. forces in Colombia, which you believe would
be detrimental if we put our forces in alone, and what you would
conceive to be a positive step if we were joined with a truly inter-
American group?
Mr. CASTlLLO. A force made up of military troops from all the af-
fected countries by drug trafficking, including the United States.
Senator N'UNN. You would see that as positive?
Mr. CASTILLO. Yes, completely so, and definitely so.
Senator NUNN. Do you have any specific information on who car-
ries out assassinations for the cartels, both in Colombia and else-
where?
Mr. CAS'rILLO. Well, there are organizations made up of hit men
or paid assassins that are organized by the bosses of each cartel,
and generally they are made up of low income people who live in
the poorer sectors of Cali and Medellin, basically. These people are
trained in training camps that are especially equipped for this pur-
pOSEI. They have been trained by the mercenaries that have been
named previously.
But I would not be able to supply you with names. What is said
commonly is that the killings or assassinations of famous people,
people like Lara Bonilla, Guillermo Cano, and some workers that
have been killed in the north of Colombia always are linked to
Rodriguez-Gacha and Escobar.
Senator NUNN. Do you believe that their reach, as far as carry-
ing out assassinations, comes as far as this country? For instance,
do you feel that you are beyond their reach when you are in this
country?
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Mr. CASTILLO. No, I don't live here.
Senator NUNN. Well, do you believe that they have the capability
of retaliating' and assassinating in this country, in the United
States?
Mr. CASTILLO. Yes, I think so, sir.
Senator NUNN. Thank you very much for your testimony.
Senator Roth?
Senator ROTH [presiding]. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would
like to go back briefly to the two cartels. Most people seem to think
that the Cali cartel is number 2, but there are others who believe
that if it is not the more important, that it will ultimately emerge
as the most significant cartel.
Would you comment on how you see the relative importance and
strength of these two cartels?
Mr. CASTILLO. Yes l sir. Violence has made the Medellin cartel
more well known in Colombia and the world, but the Cali cartel, in
turn, has worked towards a greater public relations effort and so
they are inviting the members of the 2 main Colombian political
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parties, the Liberal and Conservative Party, to be members of their
board and to chair a bank that they own, and they offered them
many benefits. That is to say, the Cali cartel works in a more intel-
ligent manner, which has allowed them to involve more people and
have a more effective integration into society.
They have gotten involved in all economic sectors, in all political,
social and judicial activities of the country and they are, in a way,
practically undetected. I have read here in information published
in the U.S. press which singles out the Medellin cartel as the exclu-
sive guilty party, when I feel that this is not the case. The Medellin
cartel and the Cali catel are equally guilty.
Senator ROTH. As you well know, there has been considerable
coverage of the activities of these cartels in the U.S. and foreign
media. You have stated in your testimony that the press at home
has been, of course, intimidated and terrorized by the activities of
the cartel.
What impact, if any, does the American or foreign media have
on the cartel, or do they just ignore it, ignore the press?
Mr. CASTILLO. No, I think that the media have a definite impact.
The independent action and the truly investigative action of the
U.S. press vis-a-vis the drug cartels in Colombia has been very im-
portant. They should focus more on the bosses of the cocaine distri-
bution networks in the United States.
rfhe press is reporting on the locations of estates and assets of
the drug trafficking cartel members, so there is a new dimension to
the freedom of the press in Colombia, but this may change.
The action has to be followed by steps taken by the Government,
otherwise there will be ~mother set back.
Senator ROTH. In your book you discuss the influence of the drug
traffickers on professional sports in Colombia, particularly on
soccer. You said in your book that the trafficker's involvement
serves two purposes; one, it gains the support of the fans; and two,
the traffickers can launder money through the professional teams.
How widespread is the drug traffickers' involvement in profes-
sional sports? •
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Mr. CASTILLO. Speaking about soccer, I would say that it is perva-
sive. And I would say that it is practically all encompassing, and
not only in Colombia. In Argentina I hear that there is a team
which is owned by the Rodriguez brothers and that an internation-
al network has been set up to swap players in such a way that they
are laundering money internationally. In doing so they are arous-
ing rivalry in sports between teams, and as well as accomplishing
their objective of laundering money and furthering their drug traf-
ficking objectives.
Senator ROTH. Would you care to identify the soccer team owned
by the cartel, the Fodriguez brothers?
Mr. CASTILLO. From Argentina? In Colombia, the team is called
America de Cali? In Argentina, I am sorry, but unfortunately I
don't have the name. I don't remember the name, but it is a team
belonging to the second division. It is very well known, but I have
never been a sports fan.
Senator ROTH. I take it that their influence is also extensive in
cycling and car racing; is that correct?
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Mr. CASTILLO. In car racing, their influence virtually ended in
racing when Carlos Covar Avelia and Cochia Londono started
racing, because they were using racing cars to transport drugs to
the United States. This led to confrontation between some of the
car racers. Some of them were killed, and some people were jailed
in Colombia for drug activities. So there is no more car racing in
Colombia.
Now, with regard to bicycle racing, the Coffee Association decid-
ed to take control of the Insignia, now so the drug traffickers' in-
volvement in bicycling is a thing of the past now.
Senator ROTH. SlOme years ago the U.S, Government required
that cash transactions of more than $10,000 be reported. This was
taken as a step to hf.llp control money laundering.
Do you think this step created a significant obstacle to money
laundering, or was it an effective act?
Mr. CASTILLO. I don't think that it has been especially well ap-
plied. The fact is that the proceeds of drug trafficking continue to
be deposited in U.S. b~mks and from there go to Panama and other
fiscal havens. It is well known that drug traffickers withdraw
money in cash from a bank in Panal:l'la, so we must do a lot more
in regard to the Panamanian situation.
Senator ROTH. I have just a few more questions. You described to
the staff an incident in 1984 after the assassination of the Justice
Minister in which members of the Colombian Government sent
representatives to meet with the narcotic traffickers in Panama.
Was the Colombian Government serious about negotiating at
that time, and if so, what do you think they were seeking to negoti-
ate?
Mr. CASTILLO. I think that at the time the Government had the
resolve to negotiate with drug traffickers in exchange for the offer
that was made. The offer was not to pay the foreign debt, it was to
dismant1,e the main drug trafficking rings and to destroy their
fields and labs.
This offer was not sincere. As was reported in a book written at
the same time that this meeting was being held in Panama, in
Panama proper Jorge Ochoa and some members of his group were
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setting up or organizing a laboratory in the jungles of Panama in
order to process narcotics. So it is clear there was no substance to
their offer of dismantling the drug trafficking uetworks.
But this meeting that you mentioned was attended by the Attor-
ney General of Colombia, Carlos Jimenez. The initial contact was
made through a former president of Colombia whose name is Al-
fonso Lopez. And the evidellce of the Colombian government's gen-
uine will to negotiat.e with them, comes from a letter signed by the
ex-president of the republic himself, Alfonso Lopez, in which he
stated that he had made contact with a minister of the Betancur
administration to communicate to him the offer which was made
by the drug traffickers.
This meeting also is important for another reason. And that is in
connection with the periodic peace offers that the traffickers make.
This meeting in Panama was held after the assassination of Minis-
ter Lara Bonilla, after the killing of Don Guillermo Cano, and
there was also a peace proposal made, and now with the assassina-
tion of Carlos Galan, a similar peace offer has been issued by the
Ochoa clan. So this is a systematic tactic that they use.
Senator ROTH. But you don't think that they are sincere about •
it?
Mr. CASTILLO. I think that the evidence points in the other direc-
tion. Their only weapon is violence and their only aspiration is to
undermine the oldest democracy in Latin America.
Senator ROTH. Will the Government in Colombia be able to con-
tinue its present crackdoV't'1l?
Mr. CASTILLO. Until and unless one or all of leaders of the cartels
are arrested, there is not a true offensive against drug traffic in Co-
lombia. What is happening now is that unprotected people are
being attacked by criminals who want to frighten the Government
by assassinating public figures.
How long can Colombia withstand the pressure? This is truly
something that I cannot predict but this is the time when Colombia
needs all of your support, and the support of the world, to be able
to pull through these difficult times and put an end to this scourge
that is destroying our nation and neighboring countries.
Senator ROTH. And with that help, do you think the cartels can
be defeated?
Mr. CASTILLO. Yes. You overestimate their intelligence and their
true capacity. They are criminals, they are run of the mill murder-
ers, and it is not something like the Cosa Nostra. They are It.iOre
basic. They are ordinary men that work only because of greed and
the desire for profit. I think that they can be destroyed through
their desire to amass large amounts of money.
Senator ROTH. Well, Mr. Castillo, we egain thank you for appear-
ing here today. Your testimony has indeed been very interesting
and we applaud your courage and efforts.
Thank you very much.
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Mr. CASTILLO. Thank you very much.
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Senator ROTH. The Structure of International Drug Cartels ex-
hibit list will be included as part of the record.
The Subcommittee is in recess subject to the call of the chair-
man.
[Whel'eupon, at 1:30 p.m., the Subcommittee recessed subject to
the call of the chair.]
STRUCTURE OF INTERNATIONAL DRUG
TRAFfi'ICKING ORGANIZATIONS
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342, Dirksen Senate Office Building, the Hon. Sam Nunn, Chair-
man of the Subcommittee, presiding.
Present: Senators N!mn, Roth, Levin, Lieberman, and Cohen.
Staff Present: Eleanore J. Hill, Chief Counsel, Mary D. Robert-
son, Chief Clerk, Kim Wherry, Counsel, Leonard A. Willis, Investi-
gator, Harold B. Lippman, Investigator, Daniel F. Rinzel, Minority
Chief Counsel, Stephen Levin, Minority Counsel, Mary K. Vinson,
Minority Investigator, Sallie Cribbs, Minority Executive Assistant
to Chief Counsel, Carla Martin, Minority Assistant Chief Clerk,
David Fonkalsrud, Minority Staff Assistant, Janet Rehnquist, Mi-
nority Counsel, Aaron Bayer [Senator Lieberman], Robert Franklin
[Senator Pryor], Chris Mellon [Senator Cohen], Eric Whitaker,
[Senator Rudman], Kim Corthell [Senator Cohen], Anne Lewis
[Senator Levin], and Ellice Halpren Barnes [Senato1' Stevens].
OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR NUNN
Senator NUNN. The Subcommittee will come to order.
We are waiting now for the interpreters. We will have simulta-
neous translation available today since our witness will be speak-
ing in Spanish this morning. We do not have the interpreters here
yet, but I am going to start the hearing this morning.
We had a very interesting day of testimony yesterday and we
have today some witnesses that I think will have some things to
say that will be of interest and assistance to this Subcommittee
and to the Congress in evaluating this cartel problem and our re-
sponse to it.
Senator Roth, again I commend you and your staff for taking the
initiative in this set of hearings. We have been very pleased to
work with yO'l and I know you have an opening statement, so in
the interest of time we will go ahead with Senator Roth's 9pening
statement and then we will start with the witnesses as soon as our
interpreters get here.
I would ask staff to check and make sure they are on the way.
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I underst~nd that we now have an interpreter who has arrived.
So Senator Roth, why don't you go ahead with your opening state-
ment.
OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR ROTH
Senator ROTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, I appreciate
your continued leadership and commitment on these important
hearings on the structure and operations of international narcotics
trafficking organizations.
Although we had a rather long day yesterday, we heard some im-
portant witnesses and advanced our understanding of the status of
our efforts· to fight the war on drugs. Today we will hear testimony
first hand from the inside of the drug trafficking organizations.
Our first witness is in the witness protection program and has
never before spoken in public about his work for the cartel. He was
a member of the M-19 guerrilla organiza..:~on in Colombia and on
the instructions of tbe M-19 he infiltrated a paramilitary group.
He knows a lot about how drug cartels took over these paramili-
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tary groups and began using them as their own private armed as-
sassins. He witnessed and participated in merciless executions of
innocent civilians ordered by Gonzalez Rodriguez-Gacha. He fled
Colombia earlier this year.
Our second witness, David Wheeler, will provide a first-hand ac-
count of the developing sophistication of cocaine smuggling oper-
ations in Bolivia. With all the media and law enforcement atten-
tion focused on the Colombian narcotics trafficking organizations,
we should keep in mind tho potential importance of other countries
such as Bolivia in cocaine production and distribution.
Bolivia no longer operates merely as a producer of raw materials
for the Colombian cartels. It still performs that function, but the
largest Bolivian narcotics groups have developed their own top to
bottom production systems and employ hundreds of people. Mr.
Wheeler will give us a first-hand account of the extent of the co-
caine operations in Bolivia.
As I said yesterday, we must think smart on the war on drugs.
We cannot disrupt and dismantle the cartels in Colombia only to
have them move their operations to some other country 01' allow
home grown Bolivian traffickers to take the place of the Colombi-
ans.
The testimony of today's witnessesgraphicaUy portray the
strength and power of the cocaine cartels and forcefully demon-
strate that we must change our strategy in the war oli drugs. We
can take no comfort in the seizure and arrest statistics of law en-
forcement agencies, impressive though they may be. We will be
simply shadow boxing until we implement a long term intelligence
strategy that can dismantle these operations piece by piece.
To this end, I believe we need a National Strategic Intelligence
Center, and we need it now, not next year. I intend to introduce a
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bill to create such a center.
The principal mission of the center will be to create a central
data base that pools information contained in the paper files and
data bases of the Federal law enforcement agencies. All appropri-
ate law enforcement intelligence agencies should participate in this
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center. Although they may have differed on the details, all of the
witnesses who testified yesterday supported the concept of such a
center, and I hope my Senate colleagues will do as well.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Thank you very much, Senator Roth.
Our first witness this morning is Mr. Diego Viafara Salinas, who
is the witness under the Government Witness Protection Program
that Senator Roth alluded to. For reasons of his personal safety,
Mr. Viafara will be testifying this morning from behind a screen.
No cameras will be allowed to photograph Mr. Viafara from the
area in front of the screen.
It is my understanding that members of the media have already
been advised as to those locations where cameras will or will not be
allowed during the Mr. Viafara's testimony in order to maintain
security.
Mr. Viafara, we swear in all the witnesses before this Subcom-
mittee. I am going to ask you to remain seated while I administer
the oath.
Do you understand that you will be swearing to tell the truth,
the whole truth and nothing but the truth before this Subcommit-
tee? Do you understand the nature of the oath?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, sir.
Senator NUNN. I will ask you to raise your right hand while you
remain seated.
Do you swear the testimony you give before this Subcommittee
will be the truth, the whole truth, and n(lthing but the truth so
help you god?
Mr. VIAFARA. I swear.
Senator NUNN. I would like for you to proceed and give your
statement, Mr. Viafara. Take your time, You have got water there
in front of you, we are not in any hurry this morning. We would
like for you to give your entire statement. We are interested in
your testimony and, again, we appreciate you being here. So why
don't you proceed with your statement and we will have questions
at the conclusion of your statement.
TESTIMONY OF DIEGO VIAFARA SALINAS, A PROTECTED
WITNESS
Mr. VIAFARA. Good morning. I greet the authorities present here
and the public in general.
My name is Diego Viafara Salinas. I am a Colombian citizen and
I was born on January 1, 1955, in the municipality of Jamundi in
the Department of Valle in a small town outside of Cali. I recently
fled Colombia after defecting from a ,narco-paramilitary organiza-
tion, of which I was a member for almost 6 years. I am currently
under Federal protection, trying to learn English and start a new
life in the United States.
During my high school years in Jamundi, I became involved with
student activities in groups called Ustudent welfare committees."
The basic goal of these groups was to advocate political, social and
agricultural reform. We marched, we had political rallies and even
burned huses and thnlw rocks at policemen. At that time in Colom-
bia, the subversive left was quii;e fashionable. We looked to the M-
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19 and other guerrilla groups as models to emulate. I later learned
that these so-called social committees or student welfare commit-
tees were actually controlled by the insurgents, M-19.
In college I became involved with some subversive activities, to
the extent that my studies were often interrupted by enforced peri-
ods of hiding. Nonetheless, I completed between 4 and 5 years of
university studies in medicine, but I never received my degree, and
consequently I was never licensed to practice as a physician.
In 1983, I was living in the city of Bucaramanga, Colombia. At
that time, that was a stronghold of the members of the insurgency.
We had information that there were armed civilian groups working
in coordination with the military against guerrillas in the Middle
Magdalena Valley in Colombia. I was instructed to infiltrate these
armed groups so that our guerrillas, our insurgency could better
defend itself. I wa.S following the orders of a physician, Dr. Carlos
Toledo-Plata.
The plan involved five people in two separate operations. My
plan was for me and two colleagues to go to the Middle Magdalena
and accept the amnesty offered to guerrillas at that time.
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There were five of us, I repeat. Later on we had two separate op-
erations. We had information that the Army was turning over am-
nestied guerrillas to these armed paramilitary groups. As it turned
out, that was exactly what happened to me, although they decided
to kill my two colleagues who had penetrated the group. I guess
they thought that since I was a medic I could be more useful to
them alive.
On December 29, 1983 I was taken by Army Captain Estanislao
Caicedo from the Barbula Battalion of Puerto Boyaca and turned
over to members, of a paramilitary group in the city of Puerto
Boyaca. One of the first members I met was a man named Henry
de Jesus Perez. I ended up staying with this paramilitary organiza-
tion for 6 years, working directly for Henry Perez and his men.
Henry is the son of Gonzalo Perez, who is a very important person
in the Middle Magdalena region.
I soon discovered that this group was made up of cattlemen,
farmers and peasants in the region who have banded together be-
cause they were tired of being extorted and terrorized by guerrilla
groups. Gonzalo Perez had been a leader in the armed agrarian
movement for years before it became allied with the narcotics traf-
fickers, and he was committed to fighting the guerrillas with what-
ever means required.
I want to underscore that our group had nothing to do with nar-
cotics traffickers in 1981, although there were plenty of estates
~~wned by narcotics traffickers in the area. This was often miscon-
strued, because in December 1981, the narcotics traffickers, them-
selves, formed a paramilitary wing to fight the guerrillas and
called it MAS, or death to kidnapers.
I learned that the armed civilians in Puerto Boyaca called them-
selves "the group," or "the organization," but never "MAS" at that
time. I would estimate that the group-the paramilitary group-
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had something like 500 armed men at that time. In 1984, with my
help, a front organization ,called the Association of Farmers and
Ranchers of the Middle Magdalena was created. The acronym in
Spanish is ACDEGAM.
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Under this association the paramilitary organization WlCS orga-
nized, operated and funded. The funds were provided by farmers
and ranchers. The Association did have a legitimate side. I ran a
pharmacy and offered general health care to the peasants in the
Middle Magdalena region and other regions of Colombia. I worked
as a paramedic, pharmacist and physician in the central office of
ACDEGAM.
As far as I was aware, the unification of the narcotics traffickers
and the cattlemen's association occurred in 1985. I personally
became aware of it because of an incident which occurred involving
a police detachment which detained a cargo vehicle carrying three
men and a shipment of cocaine. The vehicle was traveling from the
Hacienda Suiza, the Suiza farm owned by Jairo Correa and Fran-
cisco Barbosa, to Hacienda Napoles, owned by Pablo Escobar.
The cattlemen's association was asked to get involved in the re-
capture of the men, vehicle, and cocaine, and I was summoned to
Gonzalo Perez's home to give medical attention to those wounded
in the recapture. Twenty or 30 days after this incident, 30 men
from the cattlemen's association were assigned to guard the co-
caine laboratory at the Hacienda Suiza. Thus began the merger of
the two groups. It later became routine for groups of patrolmen
from our organization to be dispatched to various locations to pro-
tect a laboratory, a stash, clandestine airstrips or other interests of
the organization.
By 1985, I was responsible for carrying out any order given to me
by Henry Perez, the leader of the paramilitary group in Colombia.
Henry Perez worked principally for Jose Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha.
At this point, the civilian paramilitary group was providing securi-
ty to all the drug labs owned by traffickers in the region. I saw
many of the labs because as a medic I was constantly traveling to
those sites dispensing medicine, giving injections and attending to
general sanitation to avoid epidemics. In traveling to those loca-
tions, I was often riding on or surrounded by bags containing tre-
mendous amounts of dollars or cocaine.
After the merger of the cattlemen's association and the narcotics
traffickers, the organization grew in size and strength. One of the
goals of the organization was to gather not only economic, but also
political power in the region. The drug traffickers in the Middle
Magdalena invested money heavily in the elections of mayors, and
consequently mayors were elected in Puerto Boyaca, Puerto
Triunfo, Puerto Nare, Puerto Berrio, Puerto Parra, Cimitara, and
La Dorada. All of these areas are in the Middle Magdalena. The
organization also sponsored the mayor of Pacho, the home town of
Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha, and the mayor of San Vicente del
Caguan Monteria, Cordoba. These mayors were practically mem-
bers of the organization.
The organization also has vast international contacts in Mexico,
Central America, the Caribbean and Cuba. I remember when two
pilots flying a Commander 1000 aircraft were planning to stop and
refuel in Cuba. They were leaving from an estate, a farm called EI
Martillo, in the Department of Cordoba, on November 22, 1988.
When the seats of the plane were removed to load the cocaine, I
saw the navigation charts, which indicated they were flying over
the southern coast of Cuba. These pilots commented that they had
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to be sure to carry some amount of U.S. dollars with them to leave
in Cuba as prearranged payment for the stopover. Although names
of the Cuban associates were never revealed to me I did hear once
that it was all the way up to Fidel Castro via his spokesman.
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Another important international associate of the organization is
the Republic of Panama. In December laSS, I personally witnessed
the receipt by the organization of thousands of AK-47s, AR-15
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rifles and M-60 machine guns from Panama.
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I mentioned that, as a medic, I traveled to many of the farms beo
longing to the organization. One such site is located in the Yari
region in the eastern plains, of Colombia and it is called El Recreo.
It had three separate encampments, including a luxurious house
which the bosses used for their summits or their big meetings. I
was present more than once when Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha, Fabio
Ochoa Vasquez, Pablo Escobar, Jairo Correa, Fidel Castano, Cesar
Cura, Henry Perez, Nelson Lesmes, Francisco Barbosa and/or their
representatives gathered there.
Life in this organization could be, and usually was, quite brutal.
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I was present when many tortures and executions were carried out.
I saw people sawed up, bit by bit, with a chain saw, and I saw
women tortured, pregnant women, even. Other people were cut up
into small pieces and dumped into the river after their execution so
that no trace would be found of the bodies. On several occasions I
took part in wholesale slaughters of supporters of leftist sympathiz-
ers, workers and peasants. This isn't something I am proud of, but
in an organization it is a matter of survival, kill or be killed.
In addition to the killings carried out by the paramilitary groups,
there are dozens of other independent assassin gangs. These assas-
sins are simply hired guns who will kill for anyone who can pay
the price. The gangs are typically made up of boys between the
ages of 15 and 25, many of them already have 50 to 100 killings to
their name. Each gang has its own name, such as Los Priscos, the
Orphans, the Smurfs, the Magnificents, the Special Group, and the
Nachos.
These were people that I often tended to as a medic, and I shared
quite a bit of time with them. During this period I became pretty
well acquainted with Jose Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha, who we used
to call Don Andres. We never called him EI Mejicano. I personally
played soccer with him for recreation. Gacha was always very nice
to me and he always gave me money, helping me out. He never
carried a weapon.
He also advised me quite often to stop drinking, because I was
drinking heavily at the time. However, I also saw the other side of
him when orderiD<$ or planning assassinations. Gacha was fanatical
about eliminatin,t all left wing politicians and those belonging to
subversive groups in Colombia. Henry Perez followed Gacha's
orders and carried out these assassinations, but Gacha always was
the person who paid or who approved these assassinations. Gacha
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would frequently take more than passing interest in the assassina-
tions and would specify exactly how he wanted a given person to be
killed. !i'rom what I could see, Gacha was the top international
drug trafficker in Colombia at the time. I even saw him give orders
to Pablo Escobar once in a while.
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General training for the organization was conducted in two
camps; one in Puerto Boyaca called Escuela Almagher Cincuenta-
liMen of War number 50"-and one camp in Putamayo called Res-
cate. There were special advanced tJ:aining eourses that were led
by British and Israeli instructors. There were also retired Colombi-
an police and military instructors at both schools. These people
were Colombians.
I personally attended several of these courses in 1988, and also
taught a section on first-aid. There were about 50 to 80 students in
each course. The courses were held every 6 months, after 1988, and
they lasted between 45 to 60 days. They covered a variety of para-
military subjects. The schools were run like boot camps; up at 5
a.m., total silence from 6 p.m. until the next morning.
The second week in January of 1989, I was told to report to EI
Reereo farm. I was transported there by airplane. When I arrived,
there was some kind of a summit meeting going on with Rodriguez
Gacha, Fabio Ochoa, a representative for Pablo Escobar named
John, Nelson Lesmes, Victor Carranza and Leonides Vargas, plus
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about 30 other powerful persons whom I did not know.
This meeting was to discuss the need for increased security at
laboratories, as well as how to increase cocaine production. They
also discussed plans to reactivate Tranquilandia, a major lab com-
plex seized by the Government of Colombia in 1984.
A second meeting was held between Gacha and a smaller group
of about five people in order to discuss the need to purge the orga-
nization of untrustworthy people. This caused me to worry about
my own security, because I knew that I was being watched careful-
ly because of my previous affIliation with the M-19 movement and
because I allegedly had used drugs in a camp.
A short time later, they took away my weapon and gave me an
older one, which was less serviceable. I had seen countless times
that people were not allowed to retire from the organization, so I
decided I had to escape. I managed to escape to Bogota where I
went to the offices of the newspaper EI Espectador. I picked EI
Espectador because I knew that the organization had infIltrators in
the other Bogota newspapers like La Prensa and EI Tiempo, and I
also knew tha.t El Espectador opposed drug trafficking.
The editors convinced me to tell my story for the Colombian se-
curity 'Organization, which I did. Because of the information I gave
them, laboratories were raided and several people were arrest.:ld,
including, later on, Freddy Rodriguez, Gacha's son. Later the Ad-
ministrative Security Department, known as the DAS, arranged
my exit from Colombia and my entry into your country where I
currently reside. I will gladly answer any questions you may have.
Thank you.
Senator NUNN. Thank you, Mr. Viafara, I will turn to Senator
Roth for the first questions.
Senator ROTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
In your testimony, you discussed the camps at which the para-
military forces were trained. Specifically what subjects were taught
at these camps?
Mr. VIAFARA. At these camps they taught combat techniques,
patrol techniques, martial arts, first-aid, general teaching on arms,
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explosives preparation, and techniques with different explosives.
They had lectures, and, later on, practical exercises in the area.
They also had escort courses, raid courses and kidnaping courses.
These were the fields covered, generally speaking, in these schools.
In the special courses, they included mapping courses, they
taught people how to read a compass, and they also had intelli-
gence and counter-intelligence courses.
Senator ROTH. What types of explosives were used?
Mr. VIAFARA. The explosives we used in training were TNT, dy-
namite, C-4 composition, ampho, and other home produced or home
made explosives that we would make there. But the basic ones
were TNT and C-4 composition. We would also use detonators.
Senator ROTH. Do you know of any instances in which the car
bomb techniques were utilized by the paramilitary forces?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, of course. I learned how to make car bombs.
You could use remote control detonators or time devices, and just
by merely pressing a button you could explode one of these bombs.
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Very often you would place a vehicle with a bomb near-or a vehi-
cle that you targeted would go by and you would have, therefore, a
time device to explode the bomb, or you would put a car in a cer-
tain place so that when the vehicle went by it would explode.
You would also use a clock device, so after some minutes or sec-
onds the device would explode. The use of these charges was taught
by mercenary instructors like the English and the Israelis.
Senator ROTH. Well, I would like you to watch a videotape and
then I will ask you some questions about it. 1
[Video presentation]
Senator ROTH. Were you present when the first part of this vid-
eotape, of the paramilitary training was made?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, sir.
Senator ROTH. Where was this videotape shot?
Mr. VIAFARA. The videotape at the beginning was filmed in a
place called San Vito on the banks of the Magdalena River.
Senator ROTH. Why was this videotape shot?
Mr. VIAFARA. This video was fIlmed so that other patrolmen who
were not able to attend the courses given by these instructors
would have an opportunity to watch the film and learn something.
This fIlm was done by a colleague called Douglas Labrador, and he
was instructed by Henry Perez to do so. Douglas worked in the
office where we had the computer-where the organization had the
computer-to keep track of all the payments that were made for
the patrol people.
Senator ROTH. Now, do you recognize any of the Israeli instruc-
tors shown in the first part of this videotape?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, of course. I lived with them. There is Klein
and Teddy. I lived with them during the courses. ,.
Senator ROTH. You have been shown pictures of Yair Klein, who
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is head of the Israeli company which provided security training in
Colombia.
Is he the instructor you knew as Yair?
I Exhibit 22. Retained in Subcommittee files.
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Mr. VIAFARA. If you show me a picture or the film, I will point
him out to you.
Senator ROTH. We will wait a minute so that they can show that
to you.
While we are waiting for that, let me ask you, do you recognize
any of the British mercenaries shown in the second part of this vid-
eotape?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, of course. I recognize them also, because I had
them in a course in the Putamayo region. Here you see Yair Klein.
He is a colonel. He is wearing the dark blue T-shirt. He is called
"the Fat one." The person behind him wearing a light blue shirt,
the skinny one, is Teddy. He acted as the interpreter. This was
filmed in the Almagher number 50 school in Santander. This is
where the first course was held and this is where it was filmed.
It could be that you will be able to spot me in the footage, be-
.\:t· cause I was close to the scene there.
Senator ROTH. Do you recognize any of the Colombians shown in
this videotape?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, sir. All the patrol people, this is Adolfo Va-
quero. This young fellow, I also know. I know them all, because
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when the course started I had to make an index card on all of
them and give them a medical examination before the beginning of
the course.
Senator ROTI:i. Did Rodriguez Gacha give you and the other Co-
lombians at the camps any special instructions about what you
could or could not say to the foreign instructors?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes. Before the course began there were some con-
versations with Henry and Don Andres, meaning Gonzalo Rodri-
guez Gacha. So with them, conversations were held in which it was
said that under no circumstance should we reveal that the organi-
zation had anything to do with drugs apd labs. We should not say
this in front of the instructors, and we should try our best so that
none of the young people would say a word regarding drugs or labs
before these people.
They were very explicit in telling me, personally, to be aware of
this. And the chief or commander of the Almagher school, Marce-
liano Palacio, was the director at the time, and the commander of
the group of stUdents, a fellow named Bercho, told Pastor and I to
make sure that the instructors would not realize that they were
training paramilitary groups that were involved in drug traffick-
ing.
Senator ROTH. Do you know if any of the foreign instructors ever
met personally with Rodriguez Gacha?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, of course. They met at Fantasy Island, La Isle
de la Fantasia. They met with Gacha, with Perez, and Nelson
Lesmes. All the instructors were gathered there at one point.
There they agreed on the guidelines for the course and other mat-
ters related to the course.
Senator ROTH. Now, going back again to the videotape, who is
shown driving the jeep?
Mr. VIAFARA. This jeep, four door jeep, is driven by-possibly, I
say-Freddy Rodriguez Celadez, the son of Jose GOllZalO Rodriguez
Gacha.
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I would like for you to see the second shot. Here he is shown
driving another vehicle, and there is somebody shooting from one
of the windows. From over here, the person shooting here whose
hack you see, from the right side window, is Freddy. I can tell you
without any doubt that this is the son of Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha.
He attended the first course, and the third course he attended to-
gether with me. He was one of the best students of the course and
he assituilated very well the teachings of the instructors. The in-
structors knew that he was Gacha's son.
Senator RO'l'H. Do you recognize one of the two men entering the
door?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes.
Senator RO'l'H. Who are they, what gang are they with?
Mr. VIAFARA. Of the two patrolmen on the right, the smaller,
shorter man, is Carlos Alberto Perez. We called him El Pitufo, the •
smurf. He is part of the Smurf gang. He is a former guerrilla
member of the FARC and EP and later he left that group and
joined the paramilitary group.
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The other man, I can't remember his name, but I do know him .
The house where the demonstration is being carried out is in San
Vito, which is a small municipality in Santander. It belongs to
Oonzalo Perez.
This small village was chosen for this demonstration because we
lmow p'':Dple thel'e well and all of them belong to the organization
or support it.
Senator ROTH. Now, how many British and how many Israeli in-
structors were there?
Mr. VIAFARA. There were five Israeli instructors. I remember the
names Zatlaka, Amanda, Yair, and Teddy, but I don't remember
the name of the fifth instructor. But I did attend courses with the
five.
The British instructors were 11, 12 because there was an inter-
preter with them. Their names were-for example, we called him-
the man on the screen-David. He was their explosives expert and
he taught us :about explosives.
T~e commElnder of the British was Peter, a colonel, a fat man, a
retired colonel from. the British Army. David was the number 2
mall among the British. Other British instructors were named
Gordon and Alex. The interpretel' was a retired military man from
the Colombian Army and his name was Jorge. He worked very
closely with them.
Senator ROTH. Did the Israelis know they were dealing with Ro-
driguez Gacha?
,Mr. VIAFARA. It is possible that they did know. They dealt with
him personally, but what I cannot tell you is if they knew what
type of person he was. But they did deal directly with them and he
paid them directly. He paid them fOJ: training us. ,.
Senator ROTH. Is there anyone in Colombia who does not know
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Gacha is involved in drug trafficking?
Mr. VIAFARA. In Colombia, the people who don't know that
Gacha is involved in drug trafficking are either blind or deaf. But
in the Middle Magdalena River Valley, for example, and in the
other areas where the organization has interests, it is quite fre-
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quent for people to see Gacha, and he roams around freely. Often
authorities, instead of arresting him, provide him with protection.
Senator ROTH. Do you believe that these foreign instructors knew
they were training paramilitary forces for the drug traffickers?
Mr. VIAFARA. It is possible that at the outset when they were
hired they might not have known that these were forces working
for drug traffickers. Perhaps they were worldng in good faith and
they went to Colombia thinking that they were going to train peas-
ants.
But I think that once they got to the region, once they entered
into contact with us, they had to realize that we weren't peasants.
For example, Teddy was able to see quite clearly that Diego Via-
fara wasn't a peasant. Teddy was concretely able to realize that
Freddy Rodriguez Celadez wasn't a peasant. They were able to real-
ize this especially because of the fact that anything that they
needed was brought to them; anything they needed was made
available to them; that this organization had economic resources at
its disposal; they had anything they needed for their courses.
So had this group been made up of peasants, it wouldn't have
had resources to be able to put these courses on as they were given.
They were very sophisticated courses and they cost millions and
millions of Colombian pesos.
Senator ROTH. Did the British and Israeli instructors work to-
gether as instructors in the training camps?
Mr. VIAFARA. Never. The first courses that we gave in the region
were given by Israeli instructors. In 1988, three courses were given
by Israelis. Subsequently, that same year, one course was given by
the British, but it was a separate one, so there was never contact
between the English and the Israelis; their courses were given sep-
arately.
Senator ROTH. Specifically what were your responsibilities at
these camps?
Mr. VIAFARA. My responsibilities? You asked me about my re-
sponsibilities?
Senator ROTH. Yes.
Mr. VIAFARA. My responsibilities in these camps were to be the
general sanitation officer. I had to talte care of their health, the
health of the patrolmen, of the people living on the bases. I had to
care for both health, sanitation, and the environment in the camp
areas and in the laboratory areas. Then also, my services were ex-
tended to cover the civilian population around the area of influence
of our operations.
So that was the scope of my work and they trusted me, because I
was the only medic that they had assigned to these duties. To avoid
there being any reaction on the part of the people living in the
area of influence, they had .major health campaigns, which I de-
signed and prepared, and we would engage in these efforts in areas
where the organization had interests.
So I covered all these areas, the Middle Magdalena River Valley,
also in the Putamayo, on the Caribbean coast, in Cordoba and in
the llanos orientales, the eastern plains of Colombia.
Senator ROTH. Did the Colombian Army battalion which was lo-
cated in the area near these training camps know about these for-
eign instructors? If so, did they say or do anything about this?
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Mr. VIAFARA. The Barbula Battalion, which is stationed in
Boyaca, has been an accomplice of the organization for the 6 years
that I was in the area. When the courses were given, for example,
some rifles needed-FAL rifles or G-3s-for the course were pro-
vided by Barbula Battalion. A mortar that was needed for practice
during the course was also given to the organization by the Bar-
bula Battalion.
Ammunition, too, was provided by the Barbula Battalion. I hope
you will believe me, because what I am telling you is the truth; it
is real. The commanders and some officers of the Barbula Battalion
working with the organization for many years, perhaps back to
1983, from 1983 until late 1988 when I was there. I saw them. I was
there shoulder to shoulder with them, and they were direct accom-
plices of the narco-military organization.
For example, they had radio communications directly with the •
organization. The Barbula Battalion commander communicated di-
rectly via radio with anyone in the organization; Henry Perez, any
of them. And also, they carried out patrols working directly with
the Barbula Batt~lion members and members of our organization.
Many peasants, ,many labor union members were as'sassinated with •
the complicity of the Barbula Battalion.
If you remember from my statement, for example, it was the
Barbula Battalion that turned me over to the paramilitary groups.
Just as they turned me over, they turned other friends over, too.
They were guerrilla members and they were assassinated one way
or another.
So I am alive basically because I am lucky, I guess. Otherwise, I
don't know why I am still alive. But the Barbula Battalion and
other Army battalions in Colombia know that in the areas they
control there are narco-trafficker interests, but they receive favors
or privileges from the organization and so they prefer to look the
other way.
That is a reality; that is something that is real~ I am not making
it up. In my country, this is evident aud it is obvious day by day. I
personally witnessed this and I gave them, under orders of the or-
ganization, large amounts of money. I would turn over money to
the commander of a police post or an Army command. This was
money paid by the organization to them for them to look the other
way in view of the unlawful activities of the organization.
Senator ROTH. You personally gave money to Army command-
ers?
Mr. VIAFARA. Just as I said, I personally, in 1988, went with
Major Gavino, who has ties with the organization, and I distributed
something like 23 million pesos in the area of Cordoba to the com-
mander of police, and Portes Cordillo, the commander of the police
in Careleta Cordoba, the police commander in Monteria, a member
of the Army stationed in Monteria, a member of DAS, stationed in
Monteria, also others in Calcacia and Planetarica.
I personally accompanied Major Gavino and turned over to each
of them money. This was something like a quota, a monthly quota
or fee, paid by the organization to buy their silence in terms of •
their not reporting a secret airstrip in EI Asio in Cordoba from
where cocaine was flown to the United States.
Senator ROTH. My time is up. Thank you, Mr. ChairmE.lll.
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Senator NUNN. Thank you, Senator Roth. Mr. Viafara, I just
have a few questions.
You were originally a member of the M-19 organization, the left-
ist group, is that right?
Mr. VIAFARA. I was a sympathizer of M-19 and I engaged in pen-
etration under the orders of Carlos Toledo-Plata.
Senator NUNN. Did M-19 have any contact themselves with drug
dealing when you were affiliated with them? Were they engaged in
drug trafficking?
Mr. VIAFARA. I actually could not say because I am not acquaint-
ed with what may have happened following my penetration be-
cause I distanced myself. While I was engaged in this penetration, I
would say no, not that I know of.
Senator NUNN. When you were working with the narco-military
organization, did you still give information to M-19? Were you
working for M-19 during that time?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes. I had penetrated the organization so as to be
able to report back to Carlos Toledo-Plata. However, there had
been problems with the penetration plan because at the beginning
of the penetration, a year or 2 after I was able to penetrate in
Puerto Boyaca, my contact, Dr. Carlos Toledo-Plata, was assassinat-
ed, precisely by members of the organization, the pl:l.ramilitary or-
ganization, that I had joined.
Nonetheless, I continued to send information, through my con-
tact, the contact that I did have in Puerto Boyaca. He was a labor
union member of Uso, of Ecopetrol, working in the oil producing
area of Puerto Calderon. I would send in my reports through him.
The person who was my contact knew who was to receive my mes-
sages. I did not know where my messages were being sent.
It is important for you to understand that the plan for penetra-
tion included five people in two separate operations. Three of us
came in on February 23, 1983, and two people came in later. Of the
three people that were initiruly involved, myself included, the other
two were killed, with the complicity of the Army .'llld Henry Perez,
and the other two people that were part of the penetration plan in
the area where I was assigned are alive and someplace in the
Middle Magdalena River VI;llley.
I hope that some day you will have the opportunity to talk to
them so that you will believe me. I hope that they will some day be
able to come here and confirm what I am saying and tell you other
parts of this story, this story which is a threat to the world.
Senator NUNN. Why does the narco-military organization try to
destroy M-19? What is the barrier between them?
Mr. VIAFARA. Historically, there is a conviction on the part of
the drug kingpins that M-19 was the group that harmed its initial
interest by kidnaping Marta Nieves Ochoa, the sister of Fabio
Ochoa and Jorge Ochoa.
So from that time in 1981, it is known historically that the drug
traffickers began to take reprisals against M-19 and the insurgent
groups, guerrilla groups in Colombia, because the gul:lrrillas went
against the traffickers interests, either by kidnaping them or by
makin~ them pay protection monies, or through extortion.
So smce that time, the traffickers publicly stated that they were
creating a rightist organization to fight the M-19 and to fight the
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guerrillas, because they had kidnaped Marta Nueves and harmed
their interest. And they said that since then they had only brought
peace and progress to Colombia. This was said in a leaflet that they
circulated in several cities in 1981, giving rise to the creation of
MAS, the Death to Kidnapers organization.
Senator NUNN. Is that rivalry still going 011, is the killing still
going on between those two groups today, or when you left Colom-
bia, was it still going on?
Mr. VIAFARA. The rivalry between traffickers and the leftists of
Colombia is evident from 1983 to the time I left. Their objective is
to eradicate subversion in Colombia if possible. One of the courses
directed by English instructors aimed to raid one of the camps of
Urivas, Casa Verde where Jacobo Arenas and Manuel Marulanda
Velez are.
This was one of the {)bjectives of the courses directp.d by Peter
and the other English instructors. They wanted tf/ have a closing
session with 120 men raiding the Urivas zone to put an end to the
activities of the FARO. This bold raid would have included me as a
medic, but Gacha and Perez dismissed the possibility because they
deemed that it wasn't the right time, it was winter, it was very •
cold, and they needed materiel from Panama.
The necessary equipment reached there in December of 1988.
The raid was to have been held in September of 1988, but the
weaponry needed hadn't ardved. So the raid was postponed. I
think it is pending and they can now carry out this raid whenever
they wish.
The war against the left in Colombia haH been waged against the
political arm of the FARC, the Patriotic ~Jnion. Thousands of mem-
bers of the Patriotic U~iion have been killed in Colombia. I person-
ally know that all of these killings have been carried out under the
orders of the organization.
I witnessed vel'Y many killings of the leaders' of the Patriotic
Union. And this was done by the leaders of the organization that I
belong to.
Senator NUNN. What about the killings of Government officials,
police officials, judges and so forth?
. Do you personally know who orders those killings? Did you have
any direct contact with the people who were ordering t.he killmg of
Colombian governmental officials?
Mr. VIAFAR,A. Yes, of course, of course. For example, ehe killing
of the political leader of the Patriotic Union, Dr. Pardo Leal, was
carried out by our organization. It was master minded by Gonzalo
Rodr.iguez Gacha, in coordination with Henry Perez. The people
that were inotructed to kill the man were William Infantes and El
Gato, the Cat, a brother of William Infantes.
There were three patrolmen that attended a course in the Ga-
laxia school. They had been trained also in the school of Magda- ~
lena Merio. They later on were picked up in the area where Dr.
Pardo Leal was killed and they were taken by helicopter to the
Yari area where I was. I had an opportunity to chat with them, •
and we spoke of these things in our chat. And they told me how
the assassination was carried out, how Pardo Leal was shot and
how they had left the premises.
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Later on William Infantes was sent with a different identity to
the United States. I think he was captured here in a ship carrying
cocaine, and it was acknowledged that he was one of the killers of
Pardo Leal and the other fellow was sent to a lab in Putomayo.
This killing was carried out by the organization, and all the de-
tails were carefully planned, as was the killing of Pablo Guarin.
Pablo Guarin was the political representative of our organization,
and one might question why the organization killed him. The orga-
nization killed Pablo Guarin because of the killing of Dr. Pardo
Leal on October 11, 1987. From that time on we in the organization
became a little concerned because the authorities began to react
against this violence.
So Rodriguez Gacha and Perez wanted to quell the Government
reaction by killing one of their own\ men, a political representative,
so that there would be confusion regarding the situation. So Pablo
Guarin is said to have been killed in response to the death of Pardo
Leal, but believe me, it wasn't so. Pablo Guarin was killed by the
organization, the organization that also killed Pardo Leal.
I run a witness to this because I observed and listened to the
planning of this killing and maybe this could have compromised
me, because I was able to witness all of this. An escort and driver
for Dr. Bernardo Jaramillo were captured in a roadblock at Tore-
jon, close to Puerto Boyaca. The organization thought that Ber-
nardo Jaramillo '\l,.'as riding in the vehicle, but he had flown from
Medellin to Bogota, ruld so these two people were captured and
they were taken to Puerto Boyaca to a place called Casa Loma.
They were put in a dungeon and they were interrogated and
they were asked where Jaramillo was and who the key people of
the UP were so that they could be killed. These people gave all the
details. They were drugged. I had to give them pentathol. And
Jorge Amariles conducted the interrogation. These two people later
on were killed, one of them committed suicide Ln the dungeon. He
hung himself using a polyester cord.
And the other guy, he was taken alive and he was taken with
the body of the other one to the banks of the Ermitao and Min-
tanyo river. He was given a "coup de grace", meaning he was shot
in the head, and later on the bodies were cut into small pieces and
they were dumped into the river so that no tmces were lett.
I had to see them before the intelTogation, before their death, to
heal some of their wounds because when they were captured they
resisted and they were shot.
Senator NUNN. Let me interrupt you here.
Did you ever know or learn of plans or discussions by the cartel
leaders to assassinate people in the United States, or to murder
people in the United States?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes. Specifically, there were no set plans against
individuals, but Gacha and Perez on several occasions said that
when problems crop up, many of the "monos" would have to be
killed. IIMonos" is a word used to refer to foreigners. So they said
that they would have to eliminate "monos" or foreigners in Colom-
bia or here in the United States.
If I Crul add something, I would say that we are at the brink of a
very difficult situation and I would like to warn you because per-
haps there are already individuals in this country who would like
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to harm some of you here in the Senate. Trying to undermine drug
traffickers, some of you may be the victims of attacks, like presi-
dential candidate Galan in Colombia. Maybe the President of the
United States would be a victim of the actions of drug traffickers.
Senator NUNN. In other words, you believe-having known them
and worked with them-you believe that they would not hesitate to
assassinate leaders in the United States who were active against
drug trafficking; is that your testimony?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes. And that is why I am warning you and telling
you this very sincerely, because I fear that somebody here in this ,..
very room could be an accomplice of drug traffickers. And there
are no bounds or limits to this corruption. I am worried about this
situation because in my country I witnessed how colonels of the re-
public were accomplices, and many people in my country are impli-
cated in drug trafficking. And so I think that in this country you
should face the situation with a tight fist and forcefully, not like
we did in Colombia, because we could be witnessing the beginning
of a third world war.
I think this has begun already. This is not a game. You see in
Colombia bombings, killings of political candidates. This is not a •
game, this is just the begipning of a very serious situation and per-
haps we should take a more drastic action to hamper something
which could be a very menacing factor.
Senator NUNN. One fmal question. What are the weaknesses of
this organization that you were part of? What do they fear?
Mr. VIAFARA. 'l'hey are not concerned with the seizures of prop-
erty, mansions or vehicles. I don't think that they mind. I spent a
long time chatting with Rodriguez (Jacha, confidentially speaking,
and he would say that he would not mind if the Chihuahua estate
or farm or the Recreo farm or Nutria, or any of the large farms
worth millions of dollars would be seized. He said he wouldn't mind
because he has special resources. He has money in places that only
he knows about and nchody will touch this money.
He doesn't want to be cauglht. He would be concerned if he were
to be caught, and he said that he would never ever allow for the
Colombian authorities, or U.S. authorities to captu~e him alive or
to prosecute him. They are willing to repel any action leading to
their capture. They have the economic power, they have the weap-
ons, and they have the power to do so. I know this for a fact be-
cause I spent time with them. I ate at the same table with them
and I know this.
Senator NUNN. Thank you. Senator Cohen.
Senator COHEN. Mr. Viafara, in your testimony you indicated
that one of the reasons you feared for your life is that you were
targeted, that you were thought to have used drugs; is that correct?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, this is correct. Occasionally, I used drugs
within the organization, and they have very strict rules. Anybody
caught using drugs, people with vices or people who steal or engage
in anything illegal, anybody caught doing illegal things is killed.
So they were aware that I was using drugs and they wanted to
confirm this fact and they thought that I should be killed because I •
was using drugs.
Senator COHEN. You indicated before that a number of Govern-
ment officials or those in the security forces were paid off or bribed
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by the members of the cartel. In addition to that, do you know
whether or not the cartel has infiltrated or penetrated the Govern-
ment agencies or security forces; actually put agents or informants
inside the Government itself?
Mr. VIAFARA, Of course they have. In the anti-narcotics police
they have a hig"h ranking person there-I think he is a colonel-
who periodically ;makes contact with the organization via telephone
on op'erations, raids against labs. Equally, I don't know how we got
hold of confident ial documents on Gacha or Escobar or Henry
Perez. These documents would reach the organization,. and these
were documents coming f.Tom the security agency of the judicial
police, the DAS, or the Attorney General's office, without any
doubt, you don't need to be extremely smart to conclude that there
were people who have infiltrated these agencies. There are people
specifically infiltrating these agencies.
Senator COHEN. Does that also apply to M-19 and other guerrilla
groups? Have they also infiltrated either the security forces or the
Government agencies?
Mr. VIAFARA. Of course, yes. When I first infiltrated the organi-
zation, the plan waC) also to infiltrate the Magdalena Merio security
forces, for example, the Barbula Battalion. And history will show
what I am saying here. I have pictures with General Diaz and
Henry Perez and Gacha. I have pictures where you see Colonel
.J Borquez with very many of these narco-traffickers. I have many
pictures with them with these military officers, but I was not able
to bring them with me when I deserted.
Many of these pictu.res were left behind hl my apartment in
Puerto Boyaca and many are in the hands of the other two infiltra-
tors. Maybe at some point you will be able to see them and you will
thus confirm what I a...~ saying here today.
Senator COHEN. Do you know where Mr. Gacha may be hiding?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, of course. Gacha is in Colombia. And not only
Gacha, but the other important members of the organization like
Fabio Ochoa, Jairo Correa, Francisco Barhosa, and Leonides
Vargas. These people are located right now in the Middle Magda-
lena area. How do I know this? Bcause when I was in the organiza-
tion, this area represented security in the event of a raid because
this is the area which is the headquarters of the self-defense groups
and these self-defense groups are loyal to the paramilitary narco
organization that has provided them many more services than the
Government-sewage, health campaigns-and they are loyal to
Gacha and Perez. And so they allow them to hide in the Corcovallo
area of the Magdalena Medio Valley.
And if the authorities are to look for them in there. the peasants
will say. no, they are not here. And also, the peasants have weap-
ons provided by the organization and th~, ' will protect them. So be·
lieve me.• if they want to put an end to international drug traffick-
ing, especially to the Medellin cartel and Gacha and their men, you
have to seek them there.
And if you want me, I will help you, I will go with you to any
field operation, and believe me, they are there, they are at that
place.
Another place, like Venezuela or Bolivia, would not be safe for
them. These would not be safe places for them because these are
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areas that they don't know. They don't know the terrain, they
don't knmy the people there. So when they run out of resources
they would have to leave the premises and the people of the area
would' find them. Whereas, in the Magdalena area, people wou.ld
protect them.
And also, these areas have not been patrolled by the authorities.
This is a war zone, a guerrilla zone, so if the Army goes there they
will find two forces there; on the one hand, the guerrillas and the
other; the international drug traffickers, the narco-paramilitary
groups or the guerrillas.
Senator COHEN. Do you know why, in view of the all out offen-
sive that the Colombian Government has mounted against the
cartel, they have been thus far unsuccessful in locating Mr. Gacha?
Is there any reason other than the difficulty of locating him? Are
you suggesting that there is not a good faith effort being undertak-
en?
Mr. VIAFARA. No. I fully respect the authorities, What I want to
underscore is that the authorities are making an effort to fight
these people. President Barco, General Miguel Maza Marquez,
these men realize that they have to put an end to this ,scourge. But
what happens within the regular forces, the police forces, is that
drug traffickers have agents, they have accomplices, so what can be
done? It is impossible.
Even if there is only one left, someone who is a traitor and who
works for the police, it makes it impossible to get these people. But
I think that the Government of my country doesn't have the neces-
sary resources to be able to arrest these people. It will take a lot of
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resources to capture them.
Perhaps there would have to be generalized av:,~\ eness amongst
the military forces to make this possi.ble. There are high ranking
military and police officlers who know at this time-and I know
that they know-where Gacha is hiding and that they could help.
So it is important for there to be an awareness on the part of these
military people. They have to realize that this is everyone's fight
tmd that this fight has to be one based on great sincerity.
But as long as there are people within the Army that are accom-
plices of drug traffickers, it is absolutely impossible for us to be
able to get Gacha or Pablo or any of them.
Senator COHEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Thank you, Senator Cohen.
Senator Lieberman.
Senator LIEBERMAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ...
Mr. Viafara, I thank you for being here and I just want to tell
you, I'm sure on behalf of everybody on the Subcommittee, how
much we admire your courage in coming forward. We finally
appear to be in a real war against the international drug cartel,
and it is critical when you are in a war to know your enemy. And
you are in a unique position to provide us with helpful information
on the enemy, so I thank you very much for being here.
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You are describing a picture of these people for us. These are
cruel individuals, they appear to be otrictly focused on protecting
their business. They live in a world surrounded by drugs, and yet
anybody who uses drugs, according to your testimony, is executed. I
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presume therefore there is very little use of drugs in the camps
and the drug organization. Is that true?
Mr. VIAFARA. That's right. In camps no drugs are used. If people
use drugs in camps, it is because they are bored, and that is why I
did it in a camp, I was bored. And it is unheard of in the organiza-
tion. One knows that u/3ing drugs means th;;tt you are cutting your
own tombstone, you ar/,~ calling for your own assassination. Within
the organization, no drug abuse is allowed, nor is robbing or steal-
ing permitted. You cannot steal any money, nor can you use drugs,
nor can you get drunk.
Senator LIEBERMAN. And this goes to the leaders of the organiza-
tion as well? You socialized on occasion, according to your testimo-
ny, with the leaders. They also, I take it, do not use drugs them-
selves?
Mr. VIAFARA. Some of them do use drugs, but they do it very,
very privately. In other words, if someone realizes what is going on,
it is only the person using the drugs. But no one in the upper eche-
lons of the power structure of the organization knows it. Because if
they do, if it is Gacha using drugs, they would kill Gacha. If it is
Fabio Ochoa Vasquez using drugs, they would kill him. But I per-
sonally know that some of them do use drugs.
Senator LIEBERMAN. You described the relationship between the
drug organization and the paramilitary groups as an alliance of
convenience or revenge that was based on the drug organization's
reaction to the kidnap of the Ochoa sister by M-19.
Do I conclude correctly that the drug organization, the leaders,
are without a political philosophy? They are not left wing, they are
not right wing, they just want to sell drugs?
Mr. VIAFARA. Here it is important for you to understand me. The
alliance right now is narco.-paramilitary. The self-defense groups,
the paramilitary groups in the Middle Magdalena River Valley
linked to the international drug traffickers have a clear, well de-
fined policy, which is to fight against th'd guerrillas and the insur-
gents in Colombia
But when they merged with drug traffickers, there the ideology
changes. Why? Let me see if I can make myself understood. Henry
Jesus Perez, for examplb, hated the subversives. He was b:'lsically a
counter-guerrilla, he was never a drug trafficker. But when he
began his relationship with Gacha and he began to see dollars, his
philosophy changed.
So perhaps he does not worry DQ much about the situation, but
nonetheless he has to continue because what he is involved in is
the art of war. But at the same time, Henry Perez is beginning to
own part of the laboratories, he is beginning to enter into contact
with cocaine and millions of dollars.
But for you to understand what I am saying, when he began to
fight in the self-defense groups he only fought guerrillas ~md he
had absolutely nothing to do with cocaine.
At the present time, you could say that they have a defined
policy. First for them it is money, first and foremost, at the ex-
pense of crime, drug trafficking. It is organized crime that they use
to achieve that objective. In other words, money, first and foremost.
It doesn't matter if it cost them their mother's life. r.J.'hey don't
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care, this is something that Jose Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha under-
stands very clearly.
In addition to that, for example, I personally learned about
things that I felt were strange, or saying them here in public seems
strange. Jose Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha has all of a sudden mo-
ments where he offers a hand to people who have problems, so he
has a human side. But you can't say that he is a nice man, because
one knows tbat he is the leader of the international drug traffic
and that he orders and pays for crimes.
So no matter how many millions of pesos he passes out amongst
the peasants that surround the laboratories, even if he gives out
millions of pesos to the patrolmen, even if he gives millions of
pesos to Diego Viafara, his medic, that doesn't give you grounds to
say that he is a nice man.
But I do want to say that he does have moments where he is a
very kind, very human man, and he gives out money, he gives
people advice. That is the way they live.
Senator LIEBERMAN. Of course, in the United States the result of
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his activities is death, the ruining of people's lives, and the cre-
ation of crime.
Let me go on with your understanding of these groups, based on
your personal experience.
In the last couple of months there appears to have been a change
stimulated by the assassination of the Presidential candidate in Co-
lombia. The Colombian Government has taken more aggressive ac-
tions against the drug traffickers, which 'Ne all admire, and the
United States has taken a more active role in supporting the Co-
lombian Government.
Will that more active role by the Colombian Government against
the drug traffickers change the apparent close relations between
drug traffickers and some sections of the Colombian milltary, or
will it go on just as it has in the past?
Mr. VIAFARA. I think that the crimes will continue, not only with
the killing of Luis Carlos Galan Sarmiento, the Presidential candi-
date. There will be hundreds, maybe even thousands of peasant
leadt:!rs, journalists, politicians, there will be thousands of victims.
The thing is, in Colombia drastic measures are only taken once
we are going under, when we have water up to our necks. Why
didn't we begin to fight these cartels years ago when the Govern-
ment learned that they were operating in many regions of the
country?
Why did we wait until there were acute problems, despicable
crimes that are truly scandalous. Why only now is there a crack
down?
But it is important that this was the turning point, that the as-
sassination of Luis Carlos Galan, the presidential candidate, served
to turn things around. Perhaps this will be what was needed to
make the Government allow whatever needs to be done to be done
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so that this act will not go unpunished.
This man was a great leader in our country and there was no
reason for him to have fallen victim to these cruel, ruthless men,
nor is it called for for children to die, or innocent bystanders to be
killed when they plant bombs to attempt to get someone's life.
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It truly is not called for for these people to suffer from the acts
of these ruthless men. These groups-it is important for you to un-
derstand-are made up of people who are indoctrinated, people
who are mentally unbalanced. I can tell you this. I was their
medic. I can tell you that mentally they aren't on track. There are
thousands and thousands of people tied to these groups and there
are thousands of mi1.lions of dollars at stake.
Senator LIEBERMAN. Let me ask you this question. Does the
cartel have links to organizations within the United States? You
warned us quite clearly that, as a result of the escalation of Ameri-
ca's effort to as('list the Colombian Government in fighting the drug
traffickers, it is possible that there will be violent acts carried out
in this country, perhaps against Government officials in this coun-
try.
Do the drug traffickers that you worked with for these years
have organizations already established in the United States? Do
they work out of their own organizations or do they link up with
other criminal organizations that are already in this country?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, they do have links here in the United States.
For example, in the United States they have people who receive
guidance in Colombh:.. I personally know of these people and they
have been placed in charge of given situations along the borders in
'I'iajuana, in New Mexico and Texas and in Southern California.
There are people that work with them, that keep their eyes open
and report to them, and there are a couple of hit men that I know
that have been in that area for a year and a half. They even took
English classes before they came.
And these people guarantee the penetration of cocaine overland
from Mexico into the United States. They have contact with people
of Mexican origin that I am acquainted with, either in Mexico or
Mexico City. And these people have a group-I don't know what
the group is called in Mexico-but they are hired assassins. They
are hit men.
Also in the area of Atlanta there are people that have links with
the organization. And in Florida, in the Miami area, there are also
people with ties to the organization. So~ in one way or another,
these people who have come into the U.S. from Colombia are
watching over the interests of or are protecting the security of the
fmanciers involved in money laundering operations or of those who
pay for the goods.
Senator LIEBERMAN. Are these people who might carry out vio-
lent acts in the United States in this next stage of the war?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, it is possible that violence may be carried out
in the United States by these people and by others who may have
entered or who may later enter, having received the most recent
courses given by the instructors. For example, I can tell you where
I live at the present time-and I can't tell you for security reasons
where I live-but I have personally seen people from Colombia who
belonged to the organization, and they represent a risk for me and
for you, and I have reported this to the authorities.
It is not that I aLii afraid. I was afraid before I came here because
I thought that perhaps I was not going to live long enough to be
able to testify here. So I was afraid of that.
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But from now on I am not afraid of being shot down by the inter-
national drug traffickers because I know that I have rid myself of a
burden by telling you my story for you to do something. So I have
shared with you my moral burden and I can now die without carry-
ing this sin with me. I have confessed my mortal sin so they can
take my life now. I was born for this purpose and I defected know-
ing that at some time they will shoot me down. I know that at
some time they will kill me. I may be hiding in a bunker, but they
are able to reach out and kill me regardless of where I may be.
I assure you, I am certain that there are people here in the
United States that are their allies, that have their resources invest-
ed, and who are on their side. They are armed, they have combat
capability, they follow the orders given to them from Colombia.
Those are the people who are going to be ill charge of the crimes
and generating violence, as an arm reaching out of this violence
that has been produced in my country. These will be the people
that will carry this out.
I hope that you don't think that I am speculating. I am merely
telling you this and I think that time will prove me right. Many of
us will be witnesses of atrocious crimes here in the United States, •
and not only in Colombia but in other Third World countries where
the international drug traffickers have interests.
I may fall to the bullets of the international drug traffic, but
even if I die, I ask those of you who continue to live to make your
own contribution, large or small, to eradicate international drug
trafficking and organized crime.
Senator LiEBERMAN. Mr. Viafara, I thank you again. I can only
reiterate what I said at the beginning. You are a hero, and you
have contributed immeasurably with your testimony today to our
effort to fight this evil group. I thank you.
Senator ROTH. I have a few more questions, but because time is
passing, I would ask that you be as brief as possible in your an-
swers, although we, of course, want complete answers.
Let me go back to the question of foreign mercenaries who
taught the cartel, the organization, about the use of bombs and
other types of weapo:ns.
More recently you have seen a number of bombings being uti-
lized by the cartel in Colombia. I think the last one was a couple of
days ago where a former mayor was killed.
Do you see the increased use of bombs to be a direct result of this
foreign mercenary training?
Mr. VIAFARA. Yes, of course. What. we are seeing right now in
Colombia is the result of the teachings of these instructors from
Israel and England. The patrolmen who had an opportunity to take
part in these courses are putting into practice what they learned
and this is what you are seeing here on TV and as reported by the
press.
Senator ROTH. Now, let me ask you a few questions about your-
self. As you stated in your opening testimony, you were a member
of M-19, a group of, as I understand it, leftist guerrillas. Then you
chose to infiltrate the paramilitary. •
With that kind of background, why did the leaders of the cartel
trust you? I understand they may have wanted to utilize your serv-
ices, particularly your medical expertise, but how did it happen
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that they pt:lrmitted you to become a witness to some of their high-
est meetings with the highest members of the cartel?
Mr. VIAFARA. When I arrived in the Magdalena Merio area
under the pretext of getting amnesty, the infiltration plan, I knew,
would entail risk of being killed. I was very much aware of this
and I was prepared to face this eventuality.
I was able to earn the trust of each member of the paramilitary
organization. I earned their trust. I was very candid and I want
you to understand that my candor was a false one. I pretended to
be trustful, but I did so in order to penetrate the organization. Inci-
dentally, the paramilitary organization established this association,
and I devised the logo and the bylaws, and I conducted lectures. In
other words, I helped in whatever way I could.
It was important for me to show the organization that I was a
valuable member so that they would respect me and would not kill
me. So I earned their trust. I put them in my pocket, as we say in
my country, and they believed me for many yearf.i . And so this al-
lowed me to eat at the table with Henry Perez alid Go:nzalO Perez
and Nelson Lesmes and Gacha and Pablo. This allowed for this
trust to develop, so much so that very often Gacha would fall ill
and the doctor they would call would be Diego Viafara, yours truly.
So I earned their trust and this trust allowed me to be side by
side with them. Although they observed me, they were never able
to detect that I was an infiltrator. I took many pictures of them. I
filmed many videos, and I wish that I would have been able to
bring these pictures with me.
There was so much trust that at some point I saw them gather-
ing in Recreo farm-a representative of Pablo Escobar was there,
Pablo, Gacha, Ochoa, LeSmefJ, Amariles, some 30 other big leaders
were there. And I tell you this very candidly, I had in my kit 2
grams of cyanide and mercury that at some point I thought of put-
ting in the pot where thifl meal that they would eat was being
cooked.
I had access to the kitchen, because Gacha's cook was a friend of
mine. I thought at some point to go to the kitchen and put the cya-
nide, not 2 grams but, you .know, a small amount of cyanide in the
pot so that I could have poisoned all of these traffickers and we
would not be facing this situation today. But my plan did not con-
template this. My inflltration plan entailed not making public
what I am saying today, but getting information to Plata and the
others.
But the circumstances dictated otherwisG, and that is why I am
here. And so I thought, if I kill them, perhaps I will be detected
and I will be killed.
Senator ROTH. Again I would ask you to try to be as brief as pos-
sible.
Do you maintain any contact with the guerrillas or M-19 or the
original group with which you are associated? Are you in communi-
cation with them now in any way?
Mr. VIAFARA. No, sir. It is very difficult to make contact with
them. I sincerely don't have any contact with them.
Senator ROTH. Did the paramilitary groups have access to Gov-
ernment information regarding law enforcement operations and in-
vestigations?
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Mr. VIAFARA. Yes. I personally received at one point some copies
of confidential documents on param.ilitary groups based in the
Magdalena Merio from. the hands of the mayor of Puerto Boyaca, I
received these documents.
Senator ROTH. You testified that when these paramilitary forces
kidnapped someone, they used torture while interrogating them.
What was the purpose of that? Why didn't they--
Mr. VIAFARA. I am sorry, I am not able to hear.
Senator ROTH'. Can you hear now?
Mr. VIAFARA. Fine now, sir. Okay, go ahead.
Senator ROTH. As I said, in your earlier testimony you indicated
that torture was often used prior to assassination. What was the
purpose of torture? Why didn't they either use psychological meth-
ods or why didn't they just kill the people out right? What was the
justification?
I think you testified that Gacha or one of them even spelled out
exactly how people were to be killed. Was this part of the psycho-
logical terror?
Mr. VIAFARA. There were several ways to conduct a killing in
keeping with the orders issued by Gacha, Amariles, Perez and •
Lesmes. When we needed to have a person speak, we would phys-
ically torture him. He was hung, he was poked, he was hit, or we
would cut up some part of his body. And this person, so that no
part of his body would be cut up, would speak, and so he would
even sing the U.S. national anthem or the Colombian national
anthem.
At some point I wanted to introduce a different procedure in the
or!lanization. I said to Perez, why don't we introduce psychological
torture, rather than physical torture? He said no, people should be
treated thus.
There were very few instances where psychological torture was
applied. The interrogation was carried out under the effects of pen-
tathol, but later on the people were cut up in pieces, after they
were shot in the head. Some people were cut up with a chain saw.
For example, there is a case of a woman on a sidewalk of Magda-
lena Merio. She was married to a guerrilla aide. She was killed and
she was pregnant and they took her teeth out.
I can tell you this here and you would not believe me, but this ifl
true. This happens in the organization. People are alienated, al-
though these are young kids, 15 to 20 years old. They are taught
how to kill because of the indoctrination of the organization. And
so if you are not killing people you can be killed. This is a motto.
Those people that are not good at killing are to be killed.
Senator RUTH. I have one last question. Yesterday one of our wit-
nesses, a journalist from Colombia admonished, warned us not to
overestimate the sophistication and intelligence of the cartel, that
they are not as smart as we seem to think.
I would like your analysis as to how sophisticated you think the
Medellin cartel is. Does its operation depend on a few leaders? If
they were somehow removed from the scene, would that be fatal to •
the organization?
How would you characterize the organization and its operation?
Can we effectively dismantle it, as now proposed?
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Mr. VIAFARA. I think that to undo the organization that I be-
longed to, the organization headed by Gacha, Escobar, Perez,
Lesmes, and Gonzalo Perez, I think that this is very difficult to do.
I think that the journalist who said that this organization is not as
smart as is thought is wrong.
Believe me-and here I don't think I am wrong-the organiza-
tion constitutes a world threat. This organization is capable of
something very serious. They have aircraft, they have vehicles,
they have land-to-air weapons. They are very sophisticated. I
wanted to show you something that was published in a U.S. news-
paper where there is mention made of weapon&. I spoke on the sub-
ject of weaponS, and I know-I am familiar with these weapons.
These are sophisticated weapons like M-16 machine guns and .50
caliber guns. The organization has these weapons. So they have the
weaponry and th(.lY pose a threat to any state, any security organi-
zation on this glube.
In addition, in 1988 the building of an ammunitions factory was
planned. This would have been built in Cundinamarca. I witnessed
this. In Pacho, the organization has lathes where they maintain
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weapons and they build silencers, and all these people who work in
these factories worked for the Army. They were the weapons ex-
perts of the Army. There are thousands of armed people. In Magda-
lena Merio the smallest group has 30 men with AK-47 weapons
and three or four grenades, so these are not mere combatants.
The combatants, the patrol people who work for the paramilitary
narco organization, are more disciplined than any Army soldier in
Colombia and they are smarter and they have more competent in-
doctrination than any Colombian soldier.
I can bear witness to this because I shared a lot of time with
them, and lived among them. Believe me, the organization has the
strength and the power.
Senator ROTH. Well, thank you. I appreciate your testimony. My
time is up.
Senator NUNN. Mr. Viafara, we appreciate you being here this
morning. You have given us information which is disturbing, which
is sobering. It confirms our real fears about the extent and the ca-
pabilities of the cartels that you have been part of, and we appreci-
ate you being here. This will be helpful information even though it
is very disturbing information.
Prior to receiving testimony from our next witness, Mr. David
Wheeler, I will ask that the room be cleared so security can be
maintained while Mr. Viafara exits the room. We will take a 5
minute recess while the room is being cleared and I will ask the
camera people to turn down the cameras away from the front,
please. We will make sure that all of that is done. We will take a 5
minute break.
[Brief recess.]
Senator NUNN. The Subcommittee will come back to order.
Senator Roth, let me ask you if you will introduce our next wit-
ness, and then I will swear him in.
Senator ROTH. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Our next witness is a convicted drug trafficker, with extensive
ties to Mexican narcotics traffickers. As part of a plea agreement
with the Government, he participated in an undercover operation
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and infiltrated a Bolivian narcotics organization which was seeking
to bypass the Colombians and ship cocaine directly to the United
States by way of Mexico.
We appreciate his appearance before the Subcommittee and look
forward to his testimony.
Senator NUNN. Thank you, Senator Roth.
Mr. Wheeler, we swear in all the witnesses before our Subcom-
mittee. If you will just remain seated, I will give you the oath.
Do you swear that the testimony you give before this Subcommit-
tee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so
help you, God?
Mr. WHEELER. I do.
Senator NUNN. Thank you, sir.
1 understand you have a statement, Mr. Wheeler. We will ask
you to take your time and go through that statement, take as
much time as you need. You have got water there before you, and
so I hope you are comfortable and we look forward to your testimo-
ny.
TESTIMONY OF DAVID WHEELER, A CONVICTED DRUG
SMUGGLER
Mr. WHEELER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
My name is David Wheeler. I am a convicted drug trafficker who
was involved in the narcotics business for approximately 25 years. I
was also a drug user and became addicted to cocaine. I was arrest-
ed in Oklahoma City on August 27, 1986, for conspiracy to distrib-
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ute cocaine.
In January of 1987, I was interviewed by agents of the U.S. Cus-
toms Service, and in June of that year I began my undercover
work with U.S. Customs. It was through my undercover work that
I became associated with Bolivian cocaine traffickers who were
trying to circumvent the Colombian traffickers.
I was born on October 5, 1942, in Washington, D.C., the son of a
Foreign Service officer. In 1961, I got out of the Army to live on the
Yalapa commune off the coast of Western Mexico. It was at Yalapa
that I learned, from the Indians, how to cultivate seedless marijua-
na. I later went into business growing and smuggling marijuana
for about 20 years. The Indians taught me and assisted me in keep-
ing the Mexican federales at bay and, in return, I brought them
food and medicine.
I returned to the United States for a while to work as a screen-
writer, only to return to Mexico again and traffi.c marijuana and
evaluate seized cocaine shipments with the Mexican security direc-
torate, the DFS, for another eight years, from 1972 to 1980. I also
dealt in quasi-legitimate areas, such as tequila exports, oil sales
and pre-Colombian artifacts which were sold in the U.S. and
Europe.
To start the ball rolling in my undercover operation, I re-contact-
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ed an old associate of mine In Mexico, a former DFS commandante
named Pablo Giron. Giron told me about thil:l connection he had in
Bolivia which could provide unlimited quantities of finished, proc-
essed cocaine. The connection was made through a Mexican named
Efraen Mendez Duenas, who was living in Bolivia. Mendez had de-
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veloped some good Bolivian connections and was offering to provide
an introduction for a $2 million fee.
According to Giron, the Bolivians were looking to hook up with
an American group who could transport the cocaine and distribute
it in the United States. Efren Mendez, acting as a middleman, ar-
ranged for us all to meet for the first time in Panama. The Boliv-
ians had one guy in Panama who laundered and managed their
money, but they did not want to conduct too much business there.
They said that they did not trust Noriega and they feared that he
would turn them over to the North Americans to ingratiate him-
self with the gringos.
I met three Bolivians, Jorge Roman Salas, Mario Vargas Bruun,
and Reimberto Rodriguez, for the first time in Panama. These Bo-
livians told me that they were part of a consortium of cocaine pro-
ducers who referred to themselves as "the corporation." One of the
first things the Bolivians told me was that they were looking for a
way to bypass the Colombians, they were tired of the Colombians
reaping all the profits out of the drug trade and wanted to try and
cash in on those profits themselves. The Bolivians had the laborato-
ries ready to turn the coca base into finished cocaine, and they
were looking for a way to get it to market.
At this meeting, we agreed to buy 5 tons of cocaine at $5,500 a
kilo. These guys were not interested in dealing with smaller quan-
tities. We could tell that we were dealing with a pretty high level,
because Roman Salas and Vargas had the capability of making de-
cisions about selling price and even lowering the selling price. They
said they had two huge labs operating in the Bolivian jungle, each
of which was capable of turning out 200 kilos a day, or approxi-
mately 150 tons per year.
After we had reached an agreement with the Bolivians to buy
five tons of cocaine, the Mexicans presented what they considered
to be a plan for guaranteed government protection through Mexico.
The plane would land in the State of Puebla, where Pablo Giron
had acquired the protection of a military general and a lieutenant
colonel.
I was informed that General Arevaio Garboque, the then Defense
Minister of the Republic of Mexico, had approved the deal, and
that he was to receive a major share of the $1 million per-ton fee.
The officers had agreed to seal off a section of the road with their
troops while the plane landed, refueled and took off. Knowing the
power of the Mexican military, I knew we could not get better pro-
tection than that.
The Bolivians insisted that my pilot and I travel to Bolivia to
check out their facilities. In mid-December 1987, I traveled to Bo-
livia with a DEA informant/pilot to view the cocaine and landing
sites, so that I could assure myself and government agents that
these guys had the ability to produce what they promised.
My pilot and I arrived at Viru Viru airport in Santa Cruz, Boliv-
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ia, on December 13, 1987, at about 6:45 a.m. We were met by
Roman's car and driver and were taken to Mendez' house to rest
up. At about noon, Roman and Vargas, two members of the Bolivi-
an "corporation" which owned the lab, arrived and told us we were
flying to a ranch, which was one of their bases of operation. En
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route, they pointed to their cocaine boss' Roberto Suarez' ranch in
Trinidad. We finally arrived two and a half hours later.
I was amazed at the sophistication of the communications system
at the ranch. 'l'here was"m elaborate communications room which
kept Pato Pizarro occupiet.. the entire time I was there. I heard him
talking to other base stations coordinating shipments and flights" I
also heard him talk to Leticia, Colombia, to arrange for a load to
be picked up. It was clear that these Bolivians were still providing
base to Colombian groups, while separately trying to circumvelnt
them.
We soon boarded the plane again to visit a stash site. This time,
we flew for about 15 minutes and flew over a beautiful ranch-
Rancho Primavera-near Lago Rogoaguado. This ranch was en-
closed with white fences and had a paved airstrip, with white flash
marks and a boardwalk leading from the ranch to the lake. On the
other side of the lake, there were armed guards in fatigue uniforms
guarding a clandestine strip at the stash. From the strip, we
walked for about 15 minutes into the jungle. I inspected the co-
caine, which was kept in sealed packages inside woven bags up on
platforms. Armed guards surrounded the stash location. There
were three platforms, with approximately 1,400 kilos at this loca- •
tion.
From there, we flew to another luxurious ranch. This one was
named "La IIusion," which I was unable to locate when we went
back for the raid in January of 1988. At this ranch, we met to dis-
cuss the specifics of how the operation would transpire.
There was a man present, accompanied by a bodyguard, who lis-
tened but said nothing during the course of the meeting. At one
point, he leaned over and batted my knee and said, "I think we can
do business." I learned later he was Roca Suarez, the top cocaine
boss in Bolivia today. The Bolivians also discussed the problems
they were having acquiring precursors-ether and acetone. They
were usually shipped through Brazil and Argentina, by way of the
Amazon River.
At one airstrip, we arrived just after a Colombian plane had left
picking up cocaine hydrochloride. In discussing the arrangements
for the pickup, the Bolivians insisted that their pilot guide me to
the pickup sites, and maintain high-frequency radio communica-
tion between my plane and the stash and staging sites. Ultimately,
we were unable to effect a controlled delivery.
In January of 1988, Customs and DEA agents arrested 7 of 12
violators charged with conspiracy in the case. This was accom-
plished by inviting these individuals to consummate the transac-
tion at a U.S. Customs un~ercover house in La Jolla, California.
Pato Pizzarro was not among those arrested, but was later killed in
Colombia by the Medellin cartel.
It was clear to me that the Bolivians ran a well-organized, large-
scale operation which was capable of producing huge amounts of
cocaine. Although some of the Bolivians were arrested, I have no
doubt that the operation continues to this day.
I will be happy to answer any questions you have at this time, •
Senator.
Senator NUNN. Thank you, Mr. Wheeler. We appreciate your tes-
timony.
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Senator Roth?
Senator ROTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Let me get a couple of clarifications, so we have a better idea of
what we are talking about. You said at the meeting that you had
on the laboratories for the sale of five tons, that was at a price of
$5,500 a kilo. How much is -that a ton, do you know?
Mr. WHEELER. That would work out to $5,500,000 a ton, which
was the initial asking price.
Senator ROTH. $5,500,000 a ton, and one laboratory was capable
of processing 150 tons per year?
Mr. WHEELER. Yes, Senator, there were two laboratories and one
warehousing area that, between the three areas, were capable of
producing 150 tons a year.
Senator ROTH. So, how much would that be a year?
Mr. WHEELER. Well, based on my estimate, which is based on in-
telligence and estimates from different sources, the areas of Bolivia
and Peru that refme the cocaine base into crystal are capable and
ready to produce from 700 to 1,000 tons of cocaine for export per
year.
Senator ROTH. Mr. Wheeler, how many years experience do you
have in the drug trade?
Mr. WHEELER. Cumulatively, 25 years.
Senator ROTH. Now, you mentioned in your testimony that you
assisted the Mexican security directorate in their trafficking of co-
caine and marijuana. Exactly what is the Mexican security direc-
torate and how did that come about?
Mr. WHEELER. Well, the Mexican security directorate of the DFS,
as they are known in Mexico, came about basically unconstitution-
ally as an illegal organization, which combined the powers of what
would be the FBI and the CIA in the United States, thereby giving
them extra national intelligence capabilities, as well as national in-
telligence capabilities, purportedly for the suppression of Commu-
nist and subversive activities.
Senator ROTH. And you worked with them in their trafficking of
cocaine and marijuana?
Mr. WHEELER. I worked with .them in many different aspects, one
of which, and which became their .most prevalent function in the
latter years of DFS, was very defmitely the transportation, trans-
>shipment of cocaine and the laundering of funds derived from such.
Senator ROTH. Why were they interested in your working for
them?
Mr. WHEELER. Well, for several reasons: One, beeause they
needed a liaison in the United States, they needed liaison with the
English-speaking clients that they had; they also needed someOlle
with the background that I had, which was quite extensive in the
hill country of Mexico, as well as the jungles of Central and South
America and Panama.
Senator ROTH. It is my understanding that the DFS was abol-
ished by the Mexican government a few years ago, is that correct?
Mr. WHEELER. Yes, the DFS, per se, was abolished.
Senator ROTH. Did the man you described as an old smuggling
associate, Pablo Giron, have any official connections?
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Mr. WHEELER. At the time of our operation, our undercover oper-
ation r he purportedly was on the security detail that was doing the
advance work for the President-Elect, Salinas de Gotari.
Senator ROTH. When you met Efrain Mendez Duenas, who did he
refer to as his sponsor or associate in Bolivia?
Mr. WHEELER. He referred to his associates as all working for the
same man. 'l'he titular head of the organization was supposedly Ro-
berto Suarez. However, when we got there, we found that his
nephew, Roca Suarez, was, in fact, in charge of the cocaine oper-
ation.
Senator ROTH. What specifi~tLlly did the Bolivians find unsatis-
factory about their business dealings with the Colombians?
Mr. WHEELER. The Bolivians have no seaports, they have no
access to the sea. They were bottled in by the Colombians, the Co-
lombians had organized a veritable army, the cartel from Medellin
and from Cali had resources that they could not compete with, in
terms of transportation, the acquisition of precursors or chemicals,
and in their distribution lines, as they are referred to in the United
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States.
As well, Pablo Escobar had made a concerted effort and was
doing so at the time we were down there to consolidate the growers
and the Chipare, as well as the coca growing region of Peru and
were trying to cut them off from their own source of paste.
Senator ROTH. When did you first meet with Roca Suarez?
Mr. WHEELER. I met with Roca Suarez, the exact date was some-
time in December, December 14, 1987-no, excuse me, that would
have been December 15, 1987.
Senator ROTH. Could you identify who this picture is?
Mr. WHEELER. That is the gentleman who was introduced to me.
Senator ROTH. Again, what is his role in drug trafficking?
Mr. WHEELER. He is at present the effective head of the organiza-
tion referred to as the "corporation," which has extensive control
over all the coke-producing area of Bolivia and connections with
the Medellin and Cali cartels.
Senator ROTH. Do you know where he lives at the present time?
Mr. WHEELER. Where he is at the present time, I could not say.
He has numerous homes throughout Europe, in Los Angeles, he
has relatives and maintains a home, he has homes throughout Cen-
tral America and numerous, I would say dozens, if not scores, of
homes in Bolivia and South America, to include Argentina, Brazil,
Ecuador. His main home is very much like the home of the Ochoa
family in Colombia, inasmuch as it has a large African zoo and a •
petting farm, and it is located immediately adjacent to Viru Viru
airport in Santa Cruz, Peru. He also maintains stables of very fine
horses and, as most of these individuals, he also has fighting bulls.
Senator ROTH. Does he live in the United States openly, on occa-
sion?
Mr. WHEELER. He has traveled openly to the United States. His .,
brother maintains a service station and several other businesses in
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Los Angeles, California.
Senator ROTH. Much of the negotiation on this sting operation
took place in Panama. Why was that?
Mr. WHEELER. Well, from our point of view, from the point of
view of the Government agents who were conducting the undercov-
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l er sting, Panama was a neutral area, where we had a certain
amount of rapport with the government. It was, however, not my
understanding that we had as much rapport with the government
as we thought we did, because I had previously had many dealings
with individuals surrounding Noriega and several dealings with
Noriega himself, which led me to believe that he was every bit as
involved in the cocaine traffic as the cartels were.
However, the American government felt that they were comfort-
able there, and the Bolivians felt that there was a neutral zone,
they were familiar with the area, they had laundered a great deal
of money there, so it was an intermediate area where we could all
meet for the first time.
Senator ROTH. You testified that the deal reached in Panama en-
tailed protection from the Mexican military at the refueling point
in Mexico for the plane carrying the Bolivian purchased cocaine.
Did the Mexican military actually take part in the negotiations?
Mr. WHEELER. Yes, they did.
Senator ROTH. Who else in the Mexican military assisted in the
transaction?
Mr. WHEELER. I personally met with two lieutenant colonels who
took me to the landing site that they had selected for us for my
approval, and I spent several days in Mexico City, while I was in-
formed that the general staff and the Minister of Defense had to
allocate the area that we were subsequently to use and indicate
which general would be in charge of it. It had been my experience
in the past that that is how things were done and that it went up
the chain of command from your connection and your contact
point, and then it was decided how the pie would be split, and the
individual who was p'urported to have made the final approval,
who was to get a lion s share of the $1 million per ton landing fee,
was General Arevaio Garboque, the then Minister of Defense of the
RepUblic of Mexico.
Senator ROTH. Do you know what his current status is?
Mr. WHEELER. I do not.
Senator ROTH. Do you know for a fact whether or not he received
a major share or any share of the fee?
Mr. WHEELER. No, Senator, because as soon as the lieutenant
colonel who was representing the Mexican general staff came to La
Jolla, California, and received the first half of the first ton's fee,
which was $500,000, they were arrested upon leaving the undercov-
er house.
Senator ROTH. You said in your testimony that you were confi-
dent of the ability of the military, the Mexican military, to prorride
protection for the drug shipment. Why did you feel so secure?
Mr. WHEELER. Because when I had worked in Mexico, from 1961
until 1982 or thereabouts, I had found that there were two forces in
Mexico which were beyond-there were two forces in Mexico that
had absolute immunity and the power and ability to move any-
thing anywhere. I had had many experiences with the military
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safeguarding shipments, caravanning shipments of confiscated, in
the early years confiscated drugs to the border to its transship-
l'
ments points into the United States, as well as the DFS, the Mexi-
can CIA, if you will, doing exactly the same thing with carloads of
officers carrying machine guns. The military had used military ve-
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hicles manufactured in the United States, but Mexican military ve-
hicles to caravan large shipments of marijuana. They had also pro-
vided guards in military uniforms, military enlisted personnel to
guard the large marijuana farms that were discovered in the early
1980's in Northern Mexico, and they also protected the landing
strips and the offloading strips and the ports of Mexico.
Senator ROTH. So, in your judgment, the protection they offered
was very, very extensive?
Mr. WHEELER. Yes, most complete and extensive protection that
is available in Mexico is available at this time through the mili-
tary.
Senator ROTH. It is my understanding that the Bolivians insisted
that you go to Bolivia to meet with them. Why was this?
Mr. WHEELER. That is correct. If I may have a moment.
[Pause.]
Well, I had a response that I had annotated, but I am just going
to give it to you as I recall. They insisted that we go down there
initially so that we could see the scope of their operation. They
were under the misapprehension, we had led them to believe that
we were representing one of the five major La Cosa Nostra families
from New York City, and they wi!:lhed to impress us so that we
could dedicate a great deal of money and material to the extraction
of their cocaine from Bolivia. I believe that was their primary pur-
pose, it was to instruct and impress us, and then they had a second-
ary purpose, as well.
They knew if we were agents of the United States government,
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that we would normally be traveling with what they call "country
clearance," that our embassy or our State Department would be in-
formed in the capital of Bolivia, in La Paz, and that by agreement
they would inform the head of the Bolivian government that we
were conducting such an operation.
It had been my experience in Latin America that this precluded
any serious investigation that might subsequently take place, so I
requested, as did my case officer, U.S. Customs case officer, that we
go down there in the cold, without country clearance, the reason
being that we suspected that, when we got there, they would al-
ready know we were coming, if we had country clearance. It subse-
quently turned out that they asked us for our passports and then
checked our passports out while we were in Bolivia, to find. out if
we were, in fact, on any list that they might have of U.S. Federal
agents.
Senator ROTH. Let me make certain I understand. The secondary
reason was that if you were a law enforcement official, that our
embassy would advise the Bolivian government of that?
Mr. WHEELER. That is correct, by agreement.
Senator ROTH.· And in turn, the organization or company, what-
ever they called it, had infiltrated or had individuals who would
inform them, in turn, that you were law enforcement?
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Mr. WHEELER. Absolutely, up to and including past presidents of
Bolivia who were installed by the financial power of the corpora-
tions and the cartels.
Senator ROTH. So, the cartel is a very significant factor, political-
ly?
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Mr. WHEELER. I would say that today, throughout Latin America,
the cartel is not only desirable in most of those countries, because
of the influx of dope dollars, but that it is probably the single most
controlling factor as far as regarding their business throughout
South America. .
Senator ROTH. You remarked that both you and the DEA pilot
were surprised at the level of sophistication of the Bolivian commu-
nications equipment. Can you describe that to us further?
Mr. WHEELER. Well, I felt when I went down there and I saw the
equipment that was available to ourselves and to the Bolivian na-
tional police, that we were in the 19th Century, by comparison to
what the Bolivians had. They had extensive communications equip-
ment in every single little extensios and every major ranch and
every little town. In all of their aircraft, they had installed sophis-
ticated, high-frequency and single-sideband equipment.
They used to communicate directly through what they called a
bridge in Panama and another in Cali, which were relay stations,
with San Antonio, Texas, on a nightly basis. They used to speak to
their pilots in the air all over the skies in Central America,
Mexico, and South America. They used to communicate frequently
with their bases in the United States. Most of this communication
was done in coded language.
Senator ROTH. I do not know whether- you heard any of the prior
testimony or not, but there has been differing testimony as to the
sophistication of these cartels. One witness yesterday indicated
that we should not overestimate how well-structured, how sophisti-
cated, how smart they are. Our earlier witness today took a con-
trary point of view.
From your personal experience, how would you characterize the
Bolivian operation? Is it highly organized, structured well, a sophis-
ticated organization that would continue, irrespective of what hap-
pened to the top officials, or is it more of a street gang?
Mr. WHEELER. No, it is defmitely not on the level of a street
gang. It is a somewhat fluid situation down there. The Colombians
have been bearing the administrative brunt of the problem up
until recent weeks. The Colombians and the Bolivians and the Pe-
ruvians can all draw on international expertise, by virtue of the
enormous amount of funds that they have trans-located throughout
the world. They can hire the best help, and when you have the
money, why settle for less?
There are estimates between $30 and $100 billion of free liquid
American capital circulating throughout the free world. Certainly,
if they have been in business for the last 15 years and they have
been making anywhere between $3 and $5 billion a year, they have
not had the opportunity to spend that money.
That kind of money will attract people at every level of govern-
ment, and if, in effect, we have declared, by virtue of the Presi-
dent's declaration, that we are engaged in a war on drugs and we
are also engaged in a war against the politics of drugs, and I think
there is plenty of evidence to support my contention that they have
subverted government leaders throughout the world, not specifical-
ly in South America, but I think there is evIdence that that is
going on right now in Europe. That amount of money, free and
liquid, is devastating to a politic.
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Senator ROTH. Do you have any specific evidence or knowledge of
such corruption?
Mr. WHEELER. Well, myself personally, in Mexico and Panama, I
do. The individuals that I worked with over a long period of time,
albeit some of them are referred to as mercenaries, pilots, trans-
shippers, all of these individuals who I am still in contact with are
reporting major inroads that are being made right now in countries
like the Netherlands, Luxembourg, the British banking system or
the offshore banking systems throughout the world.
When I lived in the Cayman Islands, I saw great evidence that in
the Caymans, Turks and Caicos, and the Bahamas, had been sub-
verted by these monies. There is no doubt in my mind that
Panama, on the highest political level, is sustained and maintained
by the influx of coke dollars.
I know for a fact that Mexico is more concerned with that liquid-
ity than they are with the oil that they are shipping. They are
dedicating more of their security forces at this time and has segre-
gated a major part of Northern Mexico, from Guadalajara through
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Sonora, to the transshipment of the cartel's cocaine. They are
warehousing the cocaine, there are thousands of semi-trucks, 18-
wheel trucks that are coming through the Southwestern border on
a daily basis that have stashes built into them.
Why we allow their trucks to simply drive across into the United
States, with a cursory inspection, I do not know, because they do
not allow our trucks to take one step into Mexico. Northern
Mexico, Guadalajara right now would seem to have more cocaine
stashed in it, based upon the reports from the pilots that I am in
touch with on a weekly or daily sometimes basis, the shipments
now going out of the interior of South America are on the order of
20,000-pound shipments being hauled by DC-6's, C-123's, and they
are looking around for C-130's right now to haul directly non-stop
from the interior of Bolivia and Colombia and the Brazil, in the
jungle, directly into Northern Mexico, where they feel that they
have complete immunity, and from Northern Mexico, it is welded
into these semi-trailers--
Senator ROTH. Into the semi-trailers.
Mr. WHEELER [continuing]. And comes right directly across.
The reason that we have not, the United States government has
not prioritized San Diego is because there is not a large distribu-
tion network there. But if we took a very close look at the border
in Mexicali and in Tiajuana, I think we would find that the majori-
ty of the Colombian cocaine is being transshipped directly across by
the land method.
Senator ROTH. By land, rather than sea or air?
Mr. WHEELER. That is correct.
Senator ROTH. I think my time is up.
Senator NUNN. Let me just ask a couple questions, and then I
will defer again to Senator Roth and Senator Levin.
You have been involved, one way or the other, in this transship-
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ment of drugs for a long time, have you not?
Mr. WHEELER. That is correct.
Senator NUNN. How do you measure the effectiveness of U.S.
border interdiction during that period of time-I believe you start-
ed in about 1972?
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Mr. WHEELER. The period of time that I was involved in trans-
shipment?
Senator NUNN. I am trying to get a relative measurement of our
effectiveness of interdiction at the borders, stopping drugs at the
borders, from when you first started compared to now.
Mr. WHEELER. Well, the methods of interdiction are much more
sophisticated now. However, the volume of drugs is enormous, by
comparison. I started bringing it across myself by boat, a ton at a
time, in 1962 and 1963. In the mid-seventies, I was working with
the DFS, when they were filling natural gas trucks, that they refer
to as pepas, they were filling natural gas trucks in Mexico with
narcotics and shipping '3 or 10 of those trucks across at a time.
Sometimes they do that once, twice, three times a week.
The main port of entry at that time was EI Paso, Texas, because
of the natural gas situation there. The Mexican trucks come across
empty and go back full of American natural gas. Each one of those
trucks had 3% to 5 tons of marijuana and as much as a thousand
kilos of cocaine.
That is when I began to realize that the hole in the border had
opened up quite a bit, and it took a corporation, a sophisticated cor-
poration, with intelligence and with a great deal of funding, in
order to be able to effect that.
Now, the volume is so great. The U.S. Customs is seizing enor-
mous amounts of cocaine and enormous amounts of marijuana, but
it does not make a dent in the actual flow across.
I have heard the Colombians, the Panamanians, the Bolivians
say that the loss is quite acceptable. We think we are taking--
Senator NUNN. What percentage do you believe that they are
losing of what they are sending? In other words, what percentage
are we stopping?
Mr. WHEELER. Somewhere between 5 and 10 percent of what they
are sending. They find 20 percent acceptable, based upon their
profit.
Senator NUNN. So, if we were to, depending upon whether it is 5
percent or 10 percent, if we were to quadruple our effectiveness or
at least double our effectiveness at the border, you still say those
losses would be acceptable to them from their perspective?
Mr. WHEELER. Yes, 20 percent is acceptable to the cartels.
Senator NUNN. What would not be acceptable?
Mr. WHEELER. I think you would have to get above 50 percent
before it would not be acceptable.
Senator NUNN. How do these losses affect them, they simply
raise the price?
Mr. WHEELER. They would raise the price and they would change
their method of introduction. Right now, they are contemplating
buying land on both sides of the border and simply tunneling
under the border, using the tunnel for a month and then selling
both pieces of property and moving on to the next tunnel. If they
were to do that, they would be able to get hundreds of tons of co-
caine across inside of a month's period.
They have now spread into the North and the Northwest and are
purchasing ranches as far north as Montana and Wyoming, large
pieces of property through investment fronts. They intend to ware-
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house that cocaine there. They also intend to warehouse the
backup cocaine in Mexico.
They do not need Colombia for any productive reason. They only
want Colombia because they are Colombians, because that is their
home, because that is where their ranches are. But they do not
need Colombia to produce cocaine. They grow very little cocaine in
Colombia. They need Bolivia, they need Mexico, they need Panama,
they need the United States.
Senator NUNN. We have had hearings in this subcommittee and
other committees have also ha.d hearings on the creation of a radar
network across the Southwest border of the United States to inter-
dict drug planes. Based on your experience, how effective will that
radar screen be?
Mr. WHEELER. As I stated earlier, Mr. Chairman, the methods,
they are way out in front of us, they have a very sophisticated
analysis system. They tape all of these recordings and they analyze
them. They have people cutting clippings out of newspapers from
every major city in the United States. They study the public tran-
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scripts of all of our trials, all of their trials. They are way out in
front of us.
If we were to try to increase the radar surveillance, they would
move onto the ground exclusively. They are not beyond using sub-
marines. They have contemplated using surplus diesel submarines.
They are serious about piping coke underneath the border. It is
nothing new. AI Capone did it.
Senator NUNN. Do you believe that interdiction can be successful
in stopping drugs coming into this country?
Mr. WHEELER. No, I do not.
Senator NUNN. What do you think the United States should do,
based on your experience? What would be your list of priorities in
the expenditure of dollars?
Mr. WHEELER. I have given it some careful consideration apd I
have thought about it for years, both from the point of view of vio-
lators and, in more recent years, from the Government's point of
view. I think there are only a few means of effectively stopping the
flow of cocaine and, may I add, heroin, that they are now growing
in larger and larger quantities, into the United States.
I thi.nk, first of all, you must burn the cocaine crop, which is far
beyond anything that could be justified by the use of the Indians in
the Andes. They are growing thousands and thousands percent
more of the coca leaf that could be justified by anything. You must
burn those crops. As long as those trees are there, the cocaine is 10,
going to get out, whether it is transshipped via Africa or-they are
not beyond shipping it to Europe and shipping it back in containers
from countries that are not targeted as cocaine-producing coun-
tries. They are doing it now. You have got to burn those crops. It
takes them 4 years to grow the trees again, and then burn them
again.
You have got to arrest the leaders, wherever they are, you have
got to exercise the international agreements and you have got to
find those people, and they are IIlot that hard to find, they show up
at all the bullfights and all the soccer matches. You have to find
those people and you have to take them down and you have to
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bring them back, and you have to bring back the people who re-
place them.
I have hea.rd talk about the possibility of executing the drug
kingpins. I do not feel that this would be nearly as a severe deter-
rent as if they were incarcerated for the rest of their natural lives.
This to a Latin is much more horrific than to be put up in front of
a firing squad, where there is a certain amount of martyrdom that
they can profess.
I think that if you arrest the leaders wherever they are and you
incarcerate them, that you will humiliate them and that you will
take away the hero aura that they have in their own bodios and
their own areas of resource, and I think that you have no choice
but to go after these people who have f~und themselves in the top
10 billionaires in Forbes magazine this year.
I think you have to repatriate the money. I think that the money
that they have overseas is also accessible to us, because it is the
dope dollars that are in current flow, they are liquid. There are ac-
counts in the major offshore banking systems that can be traced.
Almost all of their money movements are electronic. The National
Security Agency has the capability to monitor those shipments of
money. It is not too hard to find the paper trail. It would take a
large staff, but it is not hard to find the paper trail and to track
down where the money eventually went to.
I know for a fact that the money is being relaundered in Europe
and brought back and invested in the United States, once it has
been effectively laundered in Europe. There are many banks in the
European Community that welcome the dope dollar, because we
have not enforced our prerogatives over there. So, that money
should be repatriated.
It should also be taxes. The IRS should take a very close look at
that money and, then, what is not subject to taxability should per-
haps go back into -the countries of origin of these traffickers to
defeat further trafficking.
I think that we have to stop the American chemical companies
from freely distributing the precursors throughout the world, as Wf.,
have to stop the West German manufacturers of the precursors. A
very small percentage of the ether, for instance, and the acetone,
for another instance, is used for legitimate purposes. Both the U.S,
Government and the chemical companies are aware of that. Some-
one should talk to the chemical lobby.
I think that the experts in drug interdiction should come from
all fields of drug expertise. I think we should be able to deal with
people who know the drug business. They are out there, Senator, I
know some of them. It is very difficult to get a man whose exper-
tise is in agriculture or education or religion to deal with a prob-
lem that is very sophisticated and very individual.
My experience in several years of working in undercover oper-
ations with the United States government was that there is a terri-
ble frustration among the leadership of the agencies, there is
squabbling between the agencies. There is a great need to share in-
formation between the agencies. I am just now finding out when I
come to Washington that information that we could have used in
our operation in Bolivia has been in the flIes for 8 or 10 years.
Senator NUNN, Whose flIes?
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Mr. WHEELER. In the files of the Senate investigating commit-
tees, They had information on the people we were going after that
they had had from the DEA, but because we were worldng with
Customs, we could not access that information, we did not know
who we were dealing with until after the--
Senator NUNN. In other words, you do not think the ag>,,;),cies
share intelligence, as they should?
Mr. WHEELER. No, I do not. There perhaps should be an agency
that does nothing but coordinate that information.
Senator NUNN. Any other suggestions?
Mr. WHEELER. No, I think that if those six points were correctly
addressed, I t.hink that we could stop the cocaine problem within a
year.
Senator NUNN. You are basically saying that interdiction at the
borders is not efficient or effective?
Mr. WHEELER. I am saying that, yes.
Senator NUNN. Thank you.
Senator LEVIN. May I just be recognized for a few questions?
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Senator NUNN. Surely.
Senator LEVIN. A lot has been said before this Subcommittee
about the failure of agencies of the United States government to
coordinate with each other in getting intelligence. Has it been your
experience that the k!10wledge which has been gained from your
undercover operations with the Customs Service has been formally
or informally shared with other agencies such as the DEA?
Mr. WHEELER. On a very limited level, Senator. If! may clarify, I
have never been even debriefed by the Drug Enforcement Adminis-
tration regarding my knowledge or the operation itself. Only Cus-
toms is privy to the knowledge.
Senator LEVIN. It has also been suggested that the drug cartels
might retaliate against Americans here, if drug kingpins are extra-
dited. What is your opinion on that?
Mr. WHEELER. It has been my experience that the power of the
United States is feared throughout South America by the violators.
I think that they may want to level those threats and they may
want to hold that specter over the heads of American Government,
but I think it is an empty threat, because I know that, based upon
what happened to Enrico Camerana in Mexico, which shook the
Mexican drug cartels to their very foundation and finds the leaders
of those cartels in prisons as a result of that, that these individu:lls
realize that it would just take one instance of that type fO'r.' the
United States government to exercise its prerogatives to bring
those individuals back from wherever they may be in the world
and put the necessary agencies, whether it is the Department of
Defense or the Defense Intelligence Agency or the National Securi-
ty Agency or whatever is at their disposal to bring those individ-
uals back, and they know it.
Senator LEVIN. You have described the veritable army of the car-
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tels. What is the most sophisticated weaponry that the cartels
have? Do they have, for instance, anti-aircraft equipment?
Mr. WHEELER. They have RPG-7 Russian rocket launchers, they
have LARS rockets, they have twin .50-calibre machine guns, they
have pretty much whatever the governments in South America
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have, because they acquire their equipment through them, as well
as through other sources.
Senator LEVIN. If we attempted to burn those fields from the air,
would they be able to knock down our helicopters or our aircraft?
Mr. WHEELER. Not if we did it in a military fashion.
Senator I"EVIN. They do not have that kind of equipment?
Mr. WHEELER. No, and they do not have that kind of mobility.
Senator LEVIN. And you have commented, finally, on the death
penalty and said that it is not as effective a deterrent as life in
prison, without the possibility of parole.
Mr. WHEELER. I believe that.
Senator LEViN. Would you elaborate a bit more on that for us?
Mr. WHEELER. Well, in my estimation, the Latin ps}che is much
more afraid and would be humiliated to a much greater degree if
their freedom were taken away from them indefinitely. The Latin
can bring a great deal of courage to bear upon the moment of exe-
cution and make a martyr of himself. They fear more the Ameri-
can justice system, which can give them indeterminate sentences
or sentences that go beyond their natural lifetime, and--
Senator LEVIN. That go through their natural lifetime?
Mr. WHEELER. That is correct.
Senator LEVIN. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Senator Roth.
Senator ROTH. If I understand your testimony, it is that, while
Colombia is critically important, primarily because the heads of the
principal cartels are Colombian, it really is a worldwide phenome-
non and has to be attacked, the problem has to be attacked on a
broader basis. Is that conect?
Mr. WHEEtFB.. That is correct, and we must remember that Co-
lombia grows an almost unimportant amount of cocaine, because of
their climate. Right now, the Colombians themselves are moving
into the governments in Peru and Bolivia on a very, very high
level, because the areas that they function in, in the Benin and in
the border of Brazil and Bolivia are virtually impenetrable. It
would require a system like the ELANS system that was used in
Vietnam to do any kind of penetration in there. You would have to
have electronic intelligence to find out where they were. You
would have to have satellite reconnaissance to find out where their
infrared signatures were. So, that is where they are moving. They
are one step ahead.
Senator, we cannot kid ourselves: They are also in Mrica right
now, with bota.1J.ists and biologists, looking for the right places on
Kilimanjaro to grow cocaine,. and they 'are now proliferating
throughout South America and throughout Central America grow-
ing opium and opium poppies, which will this year show up to be, I
believe, as big a problem as cocaine.
Senator ROTH. I assume, even though they are looking at these
other areas, the basic operation is still Latin America--
Mr. WHEEL1i:R. That is correct.
Senator ROTH [continuing]. And the headquarters is Colombia?
Mr. WHEELER. That is correct.
Senator ROTH. But you see Bolivia as a ready alternative or even
a significant one today?
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Mr. WHEELER. I certainly do. It is less of a democracy and less of
a financial power than Colombia, which was subverted by money.
Senator ROTH. What are the problems that Bolivian traffickers
face with the chemicals necessary for making cocaine? It is my un-
derstanding that there already have been discussions with the
chemical manufacturers and others, but you think this is some-
thing that, if it could be controlled, would be a serious blow to the
drug business?
Mr. WHEELER. It would in the initial stages, until they could buy
a reagent grade ether factory for themselves, yes, which they are
talking about right now. They are talking about also getting a su-
pertanker and turning it into a floating factory.
Senator ROTH. Do you know what happened to the price of co-
caine in California in recent weeks?
Mr. WHEELER. Yes, it has virtually tripled, because of their in-
ability to function from their main bailiwick or their main strong-
hold.
Senator ROTH. Why are they unable to function? Could you be a
little more specific?
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the problem is as much theirs as it is ours and has made it very
difficult for them to operate from their armchairs, where they are
used to being able to run their organization. Now they are on the
move and they do not have the facilities that they had before, they
cannot hold the kind of meetings that they held before, they are
afraid to congregate. So, what is being done right now is that they
are having to reorganize, and--
Senator ROTH. So, in your judgement, even the action that has
been taken recently is having a significant impact on their oper-
ations?
Mr. WHEELER. I do, but albeit temporary.
Senator ROTH. Should there be some kind of a law or internation-
al agreement that their assets can be seized, would that--
Mr. WHEELER. Absolutely.
Senator ROTH. If you take the money out of it, what would that
do to the cartels?
Mr. WHEELER. That would take the reason for being in business
out, and it would also-the money is their power. If I am not mis-
taken, the agreements are already in place to recover that money,
much the same as the Mafia's money is recoverable. The La Cosa
Nostra's money is recoverable in other countries.
Senator ROTH. My understanding is that there is a U.N. treaty
but it has not necessarily been ratified by all the countries.
I think those are all the questions I have, Mr. Chairman.
Senato!' NUNN. I do not have any other questions. Do you have
anything you would like to offer that we have not asked you that
you think is pertinent here?
Mr. WHEELER. No, sir. I think you have been very fair with your
time and I think I was able to say everything that I would like to.
Senator NUNN. Well, we appreciate your cooperation with this
Committee and we appreciate your cooperation with the govern- •
ment. We think that having people who have been on the other
side of the law, as regrettable as that is, have turned and is helping
the U.S. government, the Customs Service and other agencies, is
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enormously important. I can assure you that we will be in touch
with the Customs Service and with the other agencies to try to im-
prove their sharing of information, including the valuable informa-
tion you have, because this is not something that ought to be limit-
ed to one agency.
Mr. WHEELER. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
Senator NUNN. Thank you. We will ask you to keep your seat
until the room is cleared, so we can proted your identity and I will
ask all the cameras to turn away to the back, please. We will then
clear the room and then we will have our witness leave.
I wish you good luck in your--
Senator ROTH. Mr. Chairman, I would like to have this picture
entered as a--
Senator NUNN. Who is that? Could the staff identify it?
S'l'AF'F MEMBER. It is Roca Suarez, the individual that the witness
identified as the leading cocaine trafficker in Bolivia. 1
Senator NUNN. Without objection.
Senator NUNN. All right, thank you very much.
The Committee stands adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 1:00 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]
STAFF STATEMENT*
Introduction
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In September of 19B5, the staff of the Permanent
Subcommittee on Investigations began an investigation of the
structure of international drug trafficking organizations. We
began this invest1~ation by focusing on international cocaine
trafficking organizations in the Western Hemisphere.' We wanted
to identify the principal members of the major organizations, and
to analyze how these organizations function. We also sought to
determine the extent to which these groups operate within an
organized structure.
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In addition to a long-standing interest in organized crime,
the Subcommittee has also conducted numerous investigations into
narcotics and drug trafficking. Some of the previous
Subcommittee investigations relating to drug trafficking are as
follows:
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staff also spoke with persons who had been victims of these
drug trafficking organizations, because of their efforts against
the organizations. These persons were forced into exile, into
hiding or into some type of protective custody in order to avoid
retaliation from the narcotics traffickers.
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COLOMBIA
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United states. As of this writing, only one extraditable
trafficker, Eduardo Martinez, a money launderer for the Medellin
cartel, has been arrested.
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cocaine trafficlting, particularly if the current disruption of
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hectares (271,610 acres) of coca under cultivation. While 16,000
hectares are licensed by the Peruvian government to produce coca
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flavoring, the remainder of the crop is destined for illegal
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refinement and distribution. It is estimated that even much of
the legal coca crop is diverted for illegal use, because in 1966
narco-traffickers paid approximately $1.00 per pound of leaves
compared to $.14 per pound paid by the legal market.
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convert cocaine base into cocaine HCL still, the vast bulk of
coca paste produced in P~ru is smuggled out of Peru via small
aircraft, river craft and pack animals to Colombia and Brazil for
further processing and distribution.
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who act at the inner circle and carry out the organization's
business. Below that level, they are very compartmentalized.
I'- Generally, there are large numbers of people who work for the
organizatj.on in a variety of capacities who are not aware of who
they work for and almost never meet their superiors face to
face. Traffickers at the higher levels of the organization,
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particularly in some of the older or more established groups, may
be almost venerated by the local townspeople as heroes. Most of
these traffickers have taken steps to ensure their good standing
in their local community by spreading their wealth to the poorer
municipalities, in some cases bringing electricity for the first
time to impoverished rural towns. Thus, some of the larger
traffickers in Mexico are portrayed as heroes, bringing money
from rich oppressors to poor farmers. An example, is a popular
ballad written to venerate Rafael Caro Quintero, a powerful
trafficker from Guadalajara, Mexico.
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also alleged to have authorized the cultivation and harvesting of
4,000 tons of marijauna at the "El Bufalo" plantation in
Chihuahua, Mexico in 1984. He allegedly received $5 million for
his complicity. Another DFS commander, Rafael Chao Lopez, was
also arrested on corruption charges.
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Amado Carillo Fuentes, Giuseppe Catania Ponsiglione and Miguel
Felix Gallardo, one of the largest drug traffickers in Mexico.
Felix Gallardo was called "the godfather" of Mexican traffickers
and was ~hought to have very high-level connections within the
Mexican government. Gallardo was also a point of contact with
high-level Colombian traffickers, who used his organization to
tranship their cocaine. Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha and the Ochoa
family both reportedly worked with the Felix Gallardo
organization. Both Rocriguez Gacha and Ramon Matta Ballesteros,
prior to the latter's arrest, were major links between Mexican
and Colombian drug traffickers on behalf of the Medellin
trafficking groups.
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law enforcement officials believe that the term represents a
basic misunderstanding about these groups. Webster's defines
cartel as "an international combine formed to regulate prices and
output in some field of business." The staff found little
evidence to support that definition when applied to international
cocaine trafficking groups, and the Colombian groups in
particular. For example, we saw no evidence that the Colombian
groups set prices on cocaine by the kilo or that they make
agreements as to how much o;)caine will be produced in a given
period of time. There is some evidence that cocaine has been
held back for a time from a particular market if the market
became too saturated. For example, law enforcement officials in
Los Angeles reported that between February and April of 1988,
cocaine was stored in Northern Mexico rather than sent through to
Los Angeles, beoause the Los Angeles.market was flooded. Another
law enforcement official surmised that the withholding could have
been due to the fact that funds from Panama were unavailable
during that period due xo internal upheaval. Therefore, no more
loads were being fronted. (,Fronting of cocaine loads is more
than norm than the exception in the cocaine business. Fronting
means that the cocaine is gj':"n to a supplier or the shipper on
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assassinations of public officials. One expert who has been
studying the Cali cartel for 11 years said that the Cali group,
in fact, frequently uses thugs from Medellin to do their
enforcing against rival traffickers or persons who are thought to
have cheated the cartel. One such group used by Cali traffickers
in New York is called the Palestinos, named for its leader, Julio
PaJ.estino, who was recently arrested in Florida. So, although
the Cali people do use violence on some occasions, they also tend
to "freeze-out" people with whom they have disputes rather than
automatically killing them.
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cartel until his arrest in Miami in June of 1989. Lucho was in
charge of U.S. operations for Cali and also reportedly served as
the liaison for Cali with the Medellin cartel.
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The Cali groups often return money to Colombia in
containerized freight shipments. To gauge the scale of business
being conducted by this cartel, DEA officials cite one particular
discovery of a two-month ledger which recorded $40 million worth
of business. This ledger belonged to only one of many
Cali-affiliated cells operating in New York.
The Cali cartel has ties to the Lopez Paredes family in Peru
and to the Roberto Suarez operation in Bolivia.
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structure of the various organizations which make up the Medellin
cartel, particularly in the lower levels of the organization •
Pilots, money launderers, and even distributors may work for more
than one member of the cartel in sequence or even
simultaneously. This leads to frequent shifts and realignments
within the cartel. The mortality rate of those involved with the
Medellin cartel also leads to changing alliances and
organizations. For example, a feud between Pablo Escobar and
Pablo Correa Arroyave led to Escobar having Correa Arroyave
killed in 1984. Pablo Correa Arroyave was one of Pablo Escobar's
original partners in the cocaine trade, along with a third
partner named Pablo Correa Ramos. They called themselves "Los
Pablos." Pablo Correa Arroyave was, in his own right, a major
cocaine trafficker. But .despite the assassination, the business
alliance continues to this day between Escobar and Correa
Arroyave's sons.
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the border with Peru and Brazil. He was always affiliated with
Medellin traffickers and reportedly started out as a procurer of
cocaine base. After establishing himself as a major trafficker
in that region, he moved to central Colombia where he is now
believed to reside in the Magdalena Medio region and Medellin.
The Ochoa family, widely known as a leading family of the
Medellin cartel, is actually originally from the city of Cali.
Jorge Ochoa Vasquez was born in Cali.
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which are not clearly understood by U.S. and Colombian
authorities. The preponderence of opinion is that the dispute
was started over the arrest of Jorge Ochoa at a roadblock in the
vicinity of Cali, Colombia in December of 1986. The fact that
Ochoa allowed himself to be arrested by a municipal pOlice
officer is itself mysterious because at the time of his arrest,
Ochoa's armed surveillance helicopter was circling above.
However, he was arrested and jailed for some time in Cali, while
the Cali traffickers apparently made no attempts, or at least no
successfUl attempts, to have him released. What ensued was a
series of strikes back and forth between Medellin and Cali,
focusing mainly on the associates and properties of Pablo Escobar
of Medellin and Gilberto Rodriguez Orjuela of Cali. Many believe
that the conflict between Medellin and Cali is, in essence, a
conflict between these two traffickers, not withstanding the fact
tha~ the incident which supposedly sparked the conflict inVOlved
Jorge Oohoa.
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smuggle arms out of the country which were, according to Custom's
officials, ordered by Cali traffickers to be used in an attack on
Pablo Escobar.
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smaller smugglers to buy insurance or use their transportation
services. The incentive to do so seemed to be primarily
financial.
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The final stage of the cycle is the distribution of
narcotics in the United States. By and large, Colombians control
the distribution system in the U.S. at the wholesale level. Each
cartel group within Colombia has "managers" in the United states
who oversees distribution of cocaine and collection of money for
a particular area of the U.S. Each manager may oversee several
distribution networks with each network organized by the
manag~~ls designee.
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Regardless of their function, most Colombians working in
distribution networks maintain close telephone contact with their
employers in Colombia. Part of the profile developed in one
jurisdiction to identify suspects included the deposit of seven
quarters in a pay telephone, which was the amount necessary to
call Colombia. One informant spoke of calling Colombia
constantly to discuss the inventory of cocaine loads received.
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U.S. and abroad. Another factor is the reluctance of agencies to
share information, particularly that obtained from confidential
informants. But not all can be blamed on interagency rivalry.,
The absence of any single entity tasked with collecting and
analyzing drug related strategj,c intelligence has led to a gap in
our knowledge. The intelligence portions of the Administration's
drug strategy which contemplates establishing a center for
strategic intelligence, would appear to be a good first step in
correcting the problems we have identified. It seems clear that
if the United States does not learn more about its drug enemies,
it cannot hope to effectively combat them.
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Good Morning.
The metaphors of war do not fit well the tasks of altering the attitudes
and motivations of Americans who would use illegal drugs. But the
metaphors of war are fitting indeed when we talk about reducing the supply
of illegal drugs coming Into the United States from overseas. In fact. they
are not metaphors at all. but concrete tenns describing a deadly
confrontation with an array of violent international criminal organizations
bent on injecting polson into the body d America while extorting the
financial fruits of American labor.
In any conflict. there are two questions that must be answered at the
beginning:
We talk about a "war on drugs." but we must be very clear that in fact
"drugs" are not the enemy. The enemy Is the organizations that produce
cocaine and other dangerous drugs. transport It to our shores. distribute It
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to retailers and users throughout America, and launder the profits and
return them to the organizations' coffers. And there are many such
organ1?..ations, in many parts of the world, not just one or two easily
identified "cartels."
In doing so, we must be certain not to confuse means with ends. Our
objective is not to seize ever-greater quantities of illegal drugs. That is one
means of helping attain our objective, by increasing the organizations' cost of
doing business and disrupting their inventory flow. But it is not an end in
itself.
Our objective is not to seize the assets of traffickers, That too is one
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means of helping attain our objective, by damaging the organizations' ability
to do their business and to deprive them of their Ill-gotten gains, But the
seIzure of assets is not an end in itself.
Our objective is not to. throw people in jail. That also is one means of
helping to attain our'objective, by taking members of the organizations out of
circulation. But the arrest of druggers is not an end in itself.
Valiant and dedicated people, in America and overseas, have scored major
successes in seizing drug shipments, seizing traffickers' assets, and putting
druggers in jail. But America's drug problem continues. It continues in part
because we have not been waging war effectively enough against the drug
producing and trafficking organizations.
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How do they make decisions? Where are their critical production facilities
located? How are their products transported and In what quantities? What
front companies do they use? What banks do they use? How does their
money flow?
This means that some new approaches are needed. and wider application
needs to be made of approaches already used in some quarters. having
Implications for the ways In which we collect and analyze information about
the drug organizations.
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There, are several critical aspects to this approach that distinguish it from
standard. localized investigations.
-- First. the target is ·the organization. in its totality. not just a single
known individual or set of individuals.
-- Finally, there is the willingness to forego the "body count." Yes. this
method is directed at arresting offenders. But they must be the key
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enforcement, especially the Defense Department.
-- The national war on drugs will be fought on many fronts. One of those
fronts -- an important one, but far from the only one -- is the war on the
drug producing and trafficking organizations.
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there must be an investment of time, resources, Ingenuity, and patience In
developing a complete picture of the enemy, to be certain that we are
attacking the whole organization, not Just a part, to be certain that we are
attaCking the organization's heart, not just its extremities.
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Drug Enforcement Administration
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Latin American countries a variety of interrelated aerial,
waterway, and ground enforcement/reduction programs that were
proven to be highly successful during late 1986 in coca reduction
efforts under operation Stop Prop/Blast Furnace in Bolivia.
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Colombian poli(e (date unknown) for his involvement in drugs and
oth~r corruption allegations. He is wanted for the alleged
kidnapping and attempted murder of two DEA agents in February
1982, in Cartagena, Colombia.
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OPENING STATEMENT
OF
WILLIAM M. BAKER
ASSISTANT DIRECTOR
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
BEFORE AN OPEN SESSION
COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMEN'l'AL AFFAIRS
PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS
UNITED STATES SENATE
WASHINGTON, D. c.
SEPTEMBER 12, 1989
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ONLY FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND NEIG:fiBORS FR(;,M 'l'HE OLD COUNTRY AT ALL
LEVELS OF THE BUSINESS. IT WAS :rN 1985 THAT THE FBI BEGAN TO
METHODS OF OPERATION.
AND OTHER PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES THROUGH THE USE OF FBI-
ORGANIZATIONS.
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AFFECT ~ ABILI'l'Y OF ~ CARrELS TO OPERATE. TO ~ CARTELS,
THESE ARRESTS AND SEIZURES ARE MERELY THE COSTS OF DOING I
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INTELLIGENCE SYSTEM.
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STRUCTURE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAKE UP THE MEDELLIN CARTEL
IS FAIRLY TYPICAL OF COCAINE ORGANIZATIONS IN GENERAL.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE "BOSSES" OF THE ORGANIZATION,
THE MANAGEMENT HIERARCHY IS FAIRLY FLUID. GROUP MEMBERS MAY
CHANGE POSITION, OR AFFILIATION WITHIN THE CARTEL, OCCASIONALLY
BRANCHING OUT TO START THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION. YET THE KEY
FIGURES IN ANY GROtJP REMAIN RELATIVELY CONSTANT AND TRADITIONALLY
ARE CLOSE RELATIVES, CHILDHOOD FRIENDS OR NEIGHBORS FROM
HOMETOWNS IN COLOMBIA.
THE STRUCTURE OF A COWMBIAN COCAINE CARTEL CAN BEST BE
VISUALIZED USING A BUSINESS CONGLOMERATE FOR COMPARISON. IF THE
CARTEL IS A TRUE CONGLOMERATE, THEN ESCOBAR, OCHOA, AND
RODRIGUEZ-GACHA ARE CEO'S OF THE SUBSIDIARY CORPORATIONS AND FORM
THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. IT IS THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITY TO
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BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC DATA IS REQUIRED ON A 'l'IME-SENSI'1!IVE
BASIS. DATA STORAGE, RETRIEVAL AND COLLECTION CANNOT BE )TIEWED
AS THE FINAL PHASE OF THIS PROCESS. ANALYSIS IS
ABSOlUTELY ESSENTIAL TO THE PRODUCTION OF QUALITY INTELLIGENCE
INFORMATION. IT IS THE FBI'S PROVEN ABILITY TO GATHER, STORE,
RETRIEVE AND ANALYZE INTELLIGENCE DATA THAT ADDS AN ESSEN'rIAL AND
UNIQUE INGREDIENT TO DRUG LAW ENFORCEMENT. THE JOINT DRUG
INTELLIGENCE GROUP IN MIAMI, THE DRUG INTELLIGENCE UNIT IN
WASHINGTON AND THE FBI'S DRUG INFORMATION SYSTEM ARE DESIGNED TO
GO BEYOND .INVESTlGA'I'IVE TARGETS OF OPPORTUNITY, AND COLD-HIT
INTERDICTIONS WITH A CLEARLY DEFINED, INTELLIGENCE-DRIVEN
INVESTIGATIVE TARGETING PROGRAM. THIS PROGRAM WILL ALLOW US TO
EFFECTIVELY BRING TO BEAR THE FBI'S PROVEN ABILITY TO DISMANTLE
COMPLEX CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH THE USE OF SOPHISTICATED,
LONG-TERM, ORGANIZATIONALLY DIRECTED INVESTIGATIONS.
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Fri. Aug. 18, 1989 PM: Colombian Senator Luis Carlos Galan, the
leading presidential candidate, is assassinated just outside
Bogo.ta.
Sat. Aug. 19, 1989: Colombian President virgilio Barco declares
war on drug traffi,ckers by issuing measures that allow
summary extradition to the U.S., and by calling f~~ the
confiscation of drug traffickers' assets. Medellin cartel
responds by stating "now, the fight is in b~Lood" on Colombian
radio.
Sun. Aug. 20 - Mon. Aug. 21, 1989: Colombian police raid drug
traffickers' properties, including the suspected house of
Rodriguez Gacha, and detain 11,000 people. Eduardo Martinez
Romero, alleged financial manager for traffickers, is
arrested. Martinez was indicted last May in Atlanta, GA. on
money launde:r:ing charges.
Tue. Aug. 22, 1989: U.S. asks Colombian government to aid in the
extradi ti'on of the "dozen most wanted" drug traffickers.
Wed. Aug. 23, 1989: Colombian Justice Minister Monica de Greiff
appeals to the U.S. for assistance in the war on drugs.
Thu. Aug. 24, 1989: Drug traffickers announce "total and absolute
war against the government." Bombings in the offices of the
two largest political parties in Medellin.
Fri. Aug. 25, 1989: President Bush pledges $65 million in aid to
Colombia to fight drug traffickers. Colombian President
Barco appeals to the public in a TV addrass. Traffickers
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Thu. Aug. 31, 1989: Po\~erful bomb explosion in Medel'in.
Sat. Sep. 2, 1989: El Espectador newspaper offices are bombed.
Sun. SeE. 3, 1989: Two small bombs explode in Medellin.
Mon. SeE. 4, 1989: Gunman in mi;t.;I.tary uniform opens fire in
Medellin airport.
Tue. SeE. 5, 1989: President Bush announces his anti-drug
strategy.
Wed •. SeE. 6, 1989: Eduardo Martinez Romero, alleged financial
manager of drug traffickers, is extradited to the u.s. where
he is under indictment for money laundering.
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STATISTICS
Cash So;zoo $12,171,286
Total Assets Soizod $92,943,824
• CocaIno Seized 2,124100.
Manjuana Seized 19,240100.
Arrost:> 110
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Operation Pisces- May 1987
Other Laundering $1 Wires Money Received $111,759,296
Organizations Body Carry Transactions 326
Cash Seized $56,038,445
Total Assets Seized $77,418,588
Cocaine Seized 21,062 Ibs.
Arrests 415
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D.ugs: 100 Kilos HeroinIMorphine Base
Assets: $18 Million US Currency
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